serenewarfare
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The whole thing about the "top guy" push is that it has nothing to do with "how they did". It's about the opportunities they were given and the way they were presented.
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The whole thing about the "top guy" push is that it has nothing to do with "how they did". It's about the opportunities they were given and the way they were presented.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I still maintain Cena wasn't the top guy until 2008
When did he fully drop Thugonomics and become Neo Hogan?
Sheamus is fine as he is and I feel like his push actually worked.
Why you ask?
It didn't solidify him as a full time main eventer, but I don't think that is what they wanted. They got a solid upper mid card worker who can give the likes of Daniel Bryan a good match and gets a decent pop every time he goes out. Sheamus is fine as he is, but he needs to be put in good programs more often.
Why you ask?
It didn't solidify him as a full time main eventer, but I don't think that is what they wanted. They got a solid upper mid card worker who can give the likes of Daniel Bryan a good match and gets a decent pop every time he goes out. Sheamus is fine as he is, but he needs to be put in good programs more often.
serenewarfare
Banned
They wanted Sheamus to be the next big thing. Make no bones about it, they wanted to make him a superstar on the level of Cena, but it just didn't take.
Well they were all given opportunities. Some just had to fight way harder for them.
So without a doubt Cena is the most successful. They gave him one, he ran with it, didn't fuck it up, and they never took it away.
Totally random thought that is completely unrelated to wrestling.
I wish someone would make a yo-yo that looks like Samus's Morph Ball with the Spider Ball upgrade from Metroid Prime. It looks like a great yo-yo design to me.
um.. Sure! why not.
I honestly wish Cena was hurt or off filming a movie during most/all of Punk's title reign. If the company would have been forced to go all in on Punk I think he would have ran with it further than Cena did.
Unfortunately Cena being healthy ended up derailing some of Punk's run.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I noticed we were talking about Gary Hart earlier. Coincidentally a Youtube channel I'm subscribed to uploaded this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBf4slejTI&ab_channel=ChadBrinkley
Reminder that Gary was a scary motherfucker
Reminder that Gary was a scary motherfucker
Fucking Cena and his senzu beans.
Jimmy King
Member
Pretty sure Punk would have found a way to sabotage himself, as he is wont to do.
Jimmy King
Member
Mr. Luchador
Member
I can never tell if I'm 'thinking about it too much' or if it's considered my smarky, but I've never understood Sheamus' character. He's the worst of all the 'Faces who are Heels' with the way he acts and the things he says. I'd really like to see him just go full on Bully mode, but then that's just like us all saying 'Cena Heel turn, please'.
Jimmy King
Member
Nah, fuck your edit, Seph.
lovely ladies
Member
I hope HHH is lurking gaf today.
Looks like the ubisoft logo.Totally random thought that is completely unrelated to wrestling.
I wish someone would make a yo-yo that looks like Samus's Morph Ball with the Spider Ball upgrade from Metroid Prime. It looks like a great yo-yo design to me.
serenewarfare
Banned
That is patently false. They weren't "all given opportunities". They gave Orton the title and he held it for a long time. Even though PPV buys were declining and ratings were shaky, they did not waver from Orton and they booked him strong throughout. They gave a guy like Edge the belt for a month and then took it from him. They gave Bryan the belt then booked him like shit to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. The "opportunity" is given to some guys, while others create their own until it is taken away.
My edit was in before your post! Your feet hit the ground first, I won damnit!
Dude made a blade for Teddy Long and told him to cut peoples heads off if they continue to fuck with him.
Perspicacity
Banned
Yo-yoing isn't unrelated to wrestling considering how easy it is for Daniel Bryan fans to be strung along
edit: So if given an opportunity don't do the following and maybe you have a shot at a proper run.
In no order
1) Get injured (Edge, D. Bry)
2) Fail Wellness Policy (Orton)
3) Get Arrested (RVD)
4) Die (Eddie)
5) Become disgruntled (CM Punk, Alberto)
6) "Sellout." (Rock, Baista)
7) Just plain suck (Miz)
*8) get "Hoganed" (Damien Sandow, HHH**)
In no order
1) Get injured (Edge, D. Bry)
2) Fail Wellness Policy (Orton)
3) Get Arrested (RVD)
4) Die (Eddie)
5) Become disgruntled (CM Punk, Alberto)
6) "Sellout." (Rock, Baista)
7) Just plain suck (Miz)
*8) get "Hoganed" (Damien Sandow, HHH**)
Orton did like half of those.
If you're a third generation wrestler, you can get away with most of those.
serenewarfare
Banned
Orton did 1,2,3,5, and arguably 7. Batista did 6. Rey did none. Benoit did none. Ziggler has done none. And Edge's major injury was nowhere near the time he was in a position to get a top push.
But yeah, let's punish guys for getting hurt. Especially when we work them to hell and expect them to be superhuman.
If anything I think "selling out" gets you a fast track to the title. See: Rock, Batista, Brock.
Ahem, #4
Ahem, #4
Are you Captain worthy?
serenewarfare
Banned
Benoit's best shot at a top push was 04. He went crazy in 07.
To be fair, that was long after Benoit's supposed push as the top guy.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Here is every big match promo in the wwe/f for the year 2000
apologies for the video starting at 5 min, I don't know how to fix that
apologies for the video starting at 5 min, I don't know how to fix that
Dick Justice
Banned
Benoit was dead during WM20? Damn son.
According to retroactive Vince history he might as well have been
I should correct myself. Once given an opportunity you can't have shit happen if you want a proper long run.
No doubt Orton has been given tons of chances.
Barrett got fucked by Big Show injuring him.
Sandow got fucked by Cena pulling a hogan.
Benoit had a 6 month run at the top. That was basically his gold watch for being in the business for so long. Even if he hadn't died he would have been ECW champion, which was a mid card belt at that point.
He also held the US title for a long time right?
I will update my list.
bean breath
Member
I think even worse than nepotism is referring to the product as "the product".
did the US Title still meant something back then though? I can't remember
For like 7 months I think? Is that a long time back then? I mean he dropped it to MVP who then held it for almost a year.
serenewarfare
Banned
Again, Benoit's death and Rey's chronic knee issues were not at all issues when they were in line for a top push. If you want to point at shit, you can do that with every guy ever. Hell, Cena has been hurt multiple times, does that mean he fits #1? Then why didn't his push get yanked? Same with Triple H. Same with Orton. You can go on with this BS reasoning all day. The bottom line is that some guys get opportunities, and some guys don't. The guys that don't very, very rarely can, and even when they do it is half-hearted.
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