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Federal judge grants stay on Trump ban for people who landed in U.S. with valid visas
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LincolnSixEcho
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Holy fuck, I hope that is not true. Why why why?
Come the fuck on.
First time I've laughed today. Most appreciated.
everyday math
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Then what's your point?
OK... Why do we need Congress in this?
If the EO is ruled unconstitutional, it's over.
Did we need Congress for gay marriage, for abortion?
You should know how the supreme court functions before you question why it isn't doing anything. The supreme court can't invent new powers for itself.
I agree this is terrible, but the legal process is working in regards to an EO being issued, a lawsuit follows, a temporary stay is issued.
I'm not talking about the executive order, I'm talking about the fucking EXECUTIVE.
Your SCOTUS have the power of their voices and they aren't saying shit? I thought the entire point of SCOTUS was to ensure the sanctity of the constitution.
Article 1 and article 14. He's already breached both and he's the fucking POTUS. Take a stand, whether it's a comment to the media or otherwise.
Sure if you want to wait years for this I suppose. Do you know how long people fought for gay marriage? Shit doesn't happen over night.
Think another ruling has come out
https://twitter.com/joshua_eaton/status/825600563622604800
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https://twitter.com/joshua_eaton/status/825600563622604800
Link to order
This is going to happen overnight. It literally did.
That isn't their job. Justices making statements to the media wouldn't do us any good at all.
everyday math
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Good to see details of the Mass. case coming out nice to see it's a tad more detailed.
You don't think it's going to be challenged? I doubt this is over.
Very true, and that would be another sign of a facist, authoritarian government.
But the premise being, than it cannot be back in effect, until overruled. In premise...
everyday math
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It didn't. This simply put a block on it. It hasn't been revoked. Get ready for the fight from the other side.
The block itself only pertains to people in transit or already at the airport.
They need a case brought forth. Which eventually will happen. Why is this so hard to understand?
Can you please edit my quote in your post from article 15 to 14, I was mistaken on that point and corrected myself
Of course it's going to be fought in court. That's where we need the win. The EO is already stayed (I understand it isn't being complied with by some), court win is the best thing that can happen at this point.
Congress isn't going to do shit.
FinaruDensetsu
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I've been thinking about this same thing. The people who were in Germany before it got taken over by the Nazis must also have thought "come on it's never going to get that bad". The few that escaped before were really lucky. Hopefully it doesn't come to that here.
And the ban hasn't been overruled yet. There is simply a stay for those who have been detained (unless I'm mistaken).
This is far from over. And it's important that we all know how long of a process this can be so we know that we're in it for the long haul.
Really?
Hurry up. We have innocent people literally stranded in airports indefinitely because your POTUS is a piece of shit. They couldn't give a toss about your "processes" when they're sleeping on floors in the airport. Trump certainly didn't when he signed the EO.
Yes, everything you say is true. We should prepare for a long haul fight on everything. That's why I started donating to the ACLU in Nov. On this issue, Congress might condemn but they won't take action. Yes we should put every ounce of pressure on Congress that we can muster, but on this issue, victory lies in court.
EatinOlives
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These are folks who were always hungry for power but just now have gotten a taste of it. They're madly in love and are going HAM.
everyday math
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Ok, I done talking to you. Save your breath for the people that deserve it.
Holy shit, this is evil.
Yes, really. Is there a process I have to go through to get you to edit one number in your post too?
ShockingAlberto
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It's not the ones being stranded in airports that I worry about. That sucks, and I'm sorry for it, but I have faith they will get out.
It's the ones being sent back to their countries (where there is a legitimate fear of death the moment they step off the plane) or signing papers to give up their long-term statuses. That is not a "They're sleeping on floors" problem. That is ruining, or costing, lives.
EatinOlives
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Even better reasons to get your legal system off their asses and actually standing for what they're supposed to stand for. Promptly.
What you're doing right now is bizarre.
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Wait, hold on. What the fuck is this? Its not even asking for donations or anything, just that you call and pledge your support.
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Is this a fucking mechanism for Donald to turn to and say "ah yes, they love me. everyone loves me" while jerking himself off?
FinaruDensetsu
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It is not easy to get a judge to hear anything on a Saturday. They're doing everything they can from a legal system standpoint right now.
Judges cannot act on their own.
FrenchMovieTheme
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donated to the aclu. fuck this dumb motherfucker. i hope a silver lining in all of this is that it spurs more people into action of some kind. i've opposed trump to a high degree from the beginning and of course voted against him but this is the first time ive ever donated significant money to something like this. i am so fucking disgusted by not only this but all of the shit he has already done in his short time in office.
on the other hand, i am extremely proud that there are so many people fighting back. i have seen a lot of anti-american sentiment, and it is deserved for trump and his piece of shit cronies, but understand that the majority of our country does NOT feel this way. there are tens of millions of people willing to fight back. i trust that one day we will have a leader back in office who isn't a complete fucking embarrassment
on the other hand, i am extremely proud that there are so many people fighting back. i have seen a lot of anti-american sentiment, and it is deserved for trump and his piece of shit cronies, but understand that the majority of our country does NOT feel this way. there are tens of millions of people willing to fight back. i trust that one day we will have a leader back in office who isn't a complete fucking embarrassment
Are you American? If so, don't lecture me on behaving bizarrely. I asked you politely and you decided to be indignant.
everyday math
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Don't bother. They should just snap their fingers and make all the bad things in the world go away. He's being purposely obtuse to what everyone is saying.
I don't disagree with you. Congress likely won't do anything. But it would be great if they would. The courts can take a lot of time to sort things out. Congress could potentially shut it down a lot faster than the Supreme Court could if they would actually get to work on it. If we want the Supreme Court to see this case that will take a long time. Unfortunately some people here (not directed at you specifically) don't understand this.
orthodoxy1095
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The legal system isn't "on its ass." The exact process that's has to happen is happening. The system of stays, court hearings and appeals takes time. We saw today what happened to Trump's people with this stay being granted, they didn't even have a chance at fighting the request because they were so disorganized and inept. We don't want that happening to the right side just because we're in a rush.
Nah.
He could be impeached though if he continues to try to enforce it against SCOTUS' ruling.
No, but I could imagine something could be done if he ignores the ruling and kept doing it anyway.
FinaruDensetsu
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Sadly it won't happen. Most of the Republicans in congress are every bit as racist, xenophobic, and all the other bad stuff Trump and his cohorts are. The only difference is they don't even have the courage (or stupidity) to be so obvious about it like Trump.
ShockingAlberto
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There's already a federal stay, which is generally how things work until cases go up to the Supreme Court.
People are just not obeying that order. Why do you assume it would be any different if we subverted all the protections that keep the SCOTUS from making reactionary decisions and had them convene tonight?
Being an aggressive ass about it does not actually hurry it along.
I understand what you're saying but time isn't really on our side. The longer he is in there and this shit goes on, the worse it'll get.
Indignant? Lol. No, this is amusing.
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