its really that simple lol. I haven't read the thread but are people arguing against this?
Female Smash player was sexually molested at EVO: Offender banned from comp play 1 yr
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Don't read the thread......you might be surprised at the defense at this shit by some folks
Stiler
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Never because I don't drink. As someone who grew up seeing first hand what drinking could do to someone I made that decision a long time ago to never go down that path.
Everyone should know, if they choose to drink, to not drink that much and understand the affects alcohol can have on you.
I never said he shouldn't be punished or held accountable for what he did, I was just pointing out my amazement that some people basically seem to think drinking has zero affect on your brain or what it can lead to you doing which flies completely in the face of the research and studies that have been done about it.
Here's the thing you're missing. We don't really give a shit about what alcohol does to the brain. He did some vile shit twice. I don't care if he was high on PCP, Meth and Acid. That doesn't make it any less a terrible act or give him any leeway. Alcoholism is a terrible disease but there are tons of alcoholics who aren't raping anyone.
THIS!!!! There is no excuse.
cartographer
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Very few come right out and say it but their are plenty who have been dancing around it while saying "I'm not condoning this, but..." or "This is wrong, but...."
So, yeah.
theangrypirate
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Wow, can't believe anyone would excuse his behavior due to excessive drinking.
My only problem with this thread are the people that do the whole, "this industry is full of perverts and rapists! I am embarrassed to be a gamer!" thing.
People need to realize that he did this because he has moral deficiencies and would do this whether or not he was a pro gramer, an athlete, an artist, or anyone. The fact that he plays games has nothing to do with his propensity for being scum.
This guy deserves whatever punishment he receives and I hope he understands why his actions are so reprehensible.
My only problem with this thread are the people that do the whole, "this industry is full of perverts and rapists! I am embarrassed to be a gamer!" thing.
People need to realize that he did this because he has moral deficiencies and would do this whether or not he was a pro gramer, an athlete, an artist, or anyone. The fact that he plays games has nothing to do with his propensity for being scum.
This guy deserves whatever punishment he receives and I hope he understands why his actions are so reprehensible.
Brawndo Addict
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Personally I think the impact of intoxication on the thinking process isn't relevant in terms of moral condemnation. People who are willing to commit sexual assault may not do so when sober because they fear being caught and worry about the long-term consequences. When those people get drunk, their long-term thinking is impaired so they think more about the here-and-now than they do about what might happen tomorrow. They still know the action is wrong, both legally and morally, they just don't care as much about violating those rules anymore. But they're still making a conscious knowing decision to commit the act, therefore we assign moral and legal culpability onto them, as we should.
Legally, being drunk can only be brought up as a defense to specific intent crimes, not general intent crimes like rape and sexual assault. Besides, no matter how hard of line you draw on the psychological side of things, I think everyone can agree that you assume the risk when you decide to drink in the first place.
The psychological impact of being drunk is extremely complicated to unwind though. You have experiments where people think they are drinking alcohol and begin to act differently, but then it's revealed that their drinks were non-alcoholic the whole time. But you also have experiments showing all the physical changes in various thinking processes that intoxication has on the brain, such as reduced time horizons. It's very hard to say exactly what intoxication's impact on behavior is because it's so complicated and ultimately a little a bit of everything; it's no Dr. Jekyll formula though, and even if it was, why would you drink it knowing that?
Legally, being drunk can only be brought up as a defense to specific intent crimes, not general intent crimes like rape and sexual assault. Besides, no matter how hard of line you draw on the psychological side of things, I think everyone can agree that you assume the risk when you decide to drink in the first place.
The psychological impact of being drunk is extremely complicated to unwind though. You have experiments where people think they are drinking alcohol and begin to act differently, but then it's revealed that their drinks were non-alcoholic the whole time. But you also have experiments showing all the physical changes in various thinking processes that intoxication has on the brain, such as reduced time horizons. It's very hard to say exactly what intoxication's impact on behavior is because it's so complicated and ultimately a little a bit of everything; it's no Dr. Jekyll formula though, and even if it was, why would you drink it knowing that?
Stiler
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I'm not missing anything, I said he SHOULD be punished and deserved the ban/loss of sponsorship and whatever action the woman decides to pursue against him for doing that horrible thing to her.
Especially when reading his post the following day where he seems more concerned about being caught and losing his ability to play in Evo/sponsors.
I was simply pointing out, to some people, who made it sound like drinking did absolutely nothing at all to your brain and had zero affect on your actions and thus why people need to learn to control their drinking (or not drink at all).
The whole point they took him in was because they felt it'd be dangerous for him to be out on the city on his own.
From the way the story was told, it sounds like they were still concerned enough for him decided they'd let him stay, move the victim elsewhere, and then deal with his actions in the morning because nobody expected him to try it again.
Just thought I'd put my 2c in.
Unjustifiable. Literally, drinking is not a fucking excuse. If you even go about saying "I get what you're saying, but..." you seriously need to get out of this thread and stop trying to even SLIGHTLY justify what happened here (because in doing so that's exactly what you're doing).
When you drink, YOU drink. Meaning you take a conscious decision to drink and continue to drink. It's so easy to just drink a single beer or whatever, or even spread your drinking over time, drink some water in conjunction, etc etc. Getting blackout drunk is a decision that is consciously made by the person in question (obviously unless there was some kind of force feeding but THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE).
The dude got blackout drunk, and then CONSCIOUSLY (meaning he was not dead when he did this) chose to lay in bed with a girl and touch her inappropriately. Alcohol or not, HE COMMITTED THE ACTIONS. He was not forced to do so. And then he did it TWICE. Even worse.
As it has been mentioned in this thread, alcohol makes you unable to suppress irrational thoughts -- this is obvious. BUT, he made the decision to get that drunk. Simple as that.
There is literally NO DEFENCE.
Unjustifiable. Literally, drinking is not a fucking excuse. If you even go about saying "I get what you're saying, but..." you seriously need to get out of this thread and stop trying to even SLIGHTLY justify what happened here (because in doing so that's exactly what you're doing).
When you drink, YOU drink. Meaning you take a conscious decision to drink and continue to drink. It's so easy to just drink a single beer or whatever, or even spread your drinking over time, drink some water in conjunction, etc etc. Getting blackout drunk is a decision that is consciously made by the person in question (obviously unless there was some kind of force feeding but THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE).
The dude got blackout drunk, and then CONSCIOUSLY (meaning he was not dead when he did this) chose to lay in bed with a girl and touch her inappropriately. Alcohol or not, HE COMMITTED THE ACTIONS. He was not forced to do so. And then he did it TWICE. Even worse.
As it has been mentioned in this thread, alcohol makes you unable to suppress irrational thoughts -- this is obvious. BUT, he made the decision to get that drunk. Simple as that.
There is literally NO DEFENCE.
That reasoning makes no sense in my view. That wasn't a "wait till tomorrow to settle it" type of situation. That was a either get police involved or just kick him out, he made his own bed situation.
John Kowalski
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Poignant that the discourse is largely about how excusable his actions are or are not, it's almost as if there is a generalized feeling that these crimes still don't qualify as obviously criminal as anything else would.
molnizzle
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Historically, yeah. These days not really.
Theanine3D
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I'm guessing it's because the word "molest" used to have a more innocent definition. It's less commonly used this way now:
In some other languages like Spanish (molestar), it still retains this older definition. It just means 'to annoy' or 'to bother' in Spanish. In English the word has become used primarily to refer to sexual assault, though, but the word sexual is still added often to make the distinction.
Brawndo Addict
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I'm not happy that the discourse inevitably ends up focused on that but it is a very strong viewpoint in binge-drinking cultures that has to be corrected.
With regards to the drinking context, intoxication helps people think they can get away with it more. It doesn't make their brains incapable of understanding what they are doing or why as many people would like to believe.
base shagohod
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If dude was groping my girlfriend in the bed next to me, he would not be allowed to stay in the room, and would probably end up bloody by the time the police showed up at our hotel room.
Shit's ridiculous.
Poltergust
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As a close friend of the boyfriend, and an acquaintance of the victim, I have a few things to say:
-Absolutely disgusting behavior by Hyuga. I used to look up to him and his Toon Link. That will not be the case anymore.
-The couple are doing just fine. I messaged them earlier and they said they are OK, and that they appreciate the support.
-Basically no Florida players are coming to the defense of Hyuga.
-Absolutely disgusting behavior by Hyuga. I used to look up to him and his Toon Link. That will not be the case anymore.
-The couple are doing just fine. I messaged them earlier and they said they are OK, and that they appreciate the support.
-Basically no Florida players are coming to the defense of Hyuga.
It makes me wonder if there's a serious issue with how people view and treat sexual assaults. Like, what if they caught him going through their bags and stealing their stuff? Would they have let him stay in the room in that scenario?
Anyways, what a terrible person, especially bringing up the black out drunk card. Disappointed that she isn't pressing charges, but at least he was dropped by his sponsors.
StrongBlackVine
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Why isn't he in jail?
I don't think anyone said that drinking doesn't cause any alteration in a person, what was said by some people was that those alterations are not some sort of brainwash that turns you in a completely different person.
Drinking reduces your inhibitions, but it doesn't create new character traits. You can't become a racist as a result of drinking, that shit has to be inside of you already, even if when sober you never let it out. Same for being a rapist.
Poltergust
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I haven't read through this thread in full, but I want to bring up some facts about the circumstances surrounding this:
-Hyuga was let into the room because they didn't want him to wander around Las Vegas drunk and alone. It was a good gesture, but look at how Hyuga behaved afterwards. =/
-The person to kick Hyuga out was NickRiddle, another friend of mine. Good on him for not putting up with his actions.
-Hyuga was let into the room because they didn't want him to wander around Las Vegas drunk and alone. It was a good gesture, but look at how Hyuga behaved afterwards. =/
-The person to kick Hyuga out was NickRiddle, another friend of mine. Good on him for not putting up with his actions.
I enjoy the fact that there are "binge drinking circles"
Lionel Richie
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I don't understand this part either. Obviously the story is too sad to give any relevance to minor details, but why wasn't he kicked out the first time? There's absolutely no way I don't beat the living shit out of the guy if I'm in that situation.
I'm just wondering how a drunk dude slides between people on a bed. Unless it was an exceptionally large bed (which may easily have been the case), he surely would've hit or touched someone, and surely not all those people were heavy sleepers (unless everyone was really drunk).
But yeah, this really sucks for her. Reading his posts defending himself in his broken English with those frowny faces made me feel really awkward. Who knows if he's truly a "bad person" OTHER than doing this, but alcohol generally just gives people who would do this anyway the excuse and courage they need.
But yeah, this really sucks for her. Reading his posts defending himself in his broken English with those frowny faces made me feel really awkward. Who knows if he's truly a "bad person" OTHER than doing this, but alcohol generally just gives people who would do this anyway the excuse and courage they need.
Poltergust
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Reading through more of this thread...
Anyone who puts any hint of blame on the boyfriend do not understand what happened at all. I don't know how Hyuga got into the room, but it's entirely possible that DJ Jack was already asleep by the time he came in.
People can sleep heavily. I usually don't notice someone else on the bed getting up from it if I'm in a deep sleep, and that's without the aid of alcohol.
Also, in case people are not familiar with how hotel rooms are filled for these kinds of things, there were most likely at least 5-6 people in that room. DJ Jack and his girlfriend were not alone in that room. This is done to reduce the cost for attending these tournaments. This is why NickRiddle was the one to kick Hyuga out.
One more thing: DJ Jack would have obviously done something if he was actually conscious. Do any of you suspicious people think he would just let Hyuga do whatever he wants? That is absolutely ridiculous.
Anyone who puts any hint of blame on the boyfriend do not understand what happened at all. I don't know how Hyuga got into the room, but it's entirely possible that DJ Jack was already asleep by the time he came in.
People can sleep heavily. I usually don't notice someone else on the bed getting up from it if I'm in a deep sleep, and that's without the aid of alcohol.
Also, in case people are not familiar with how hotel rooms are filled for these kinds of things, there were most likely at least 5-6 people in that room. DJ Jack and his girlfriend were not alone in that room. This is done to reduce the cost for attending these tournaments. This is why NickRiddle was the one to kick Hyuga out.
One more thing: DJ Jack would have obviously done something if he was actually conscious. Do any of you suspicious people think he would just let Hyuga do whatever he wants? That is absolutely ridiculous.
Lord of Ostia
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That attitude is extremely disrespectful as well because attempts to marginalize what is a very serious and real issue that pervades society. Nirolak provided research earlier in the thread that shows that 18% of women have been sexually assaulted. Now factor in that many abusers will assault more than once, and let's say that means that 10% of men are sexual abusers. That's still 1 in 10 people. That means everyone in this thread knows someone who is a sexual abuser. That means that in every single social gathering, there are sexual predators. Most situations make it difficult for an abuser to be able to act, but in scenarios where alcohol is involved, their caution about their actions is lowered and also their potential victims may be more vulnerable. So it's more likely to happen in those situations, i.e bars, clubs, conventions, concerts, etc. Conventions have the added problem of close by hotel rooms which are secluded from the public and make it easier to abuse someone. This has nothing to do with gaming and everything to do with sexism and the way our society views and treats women. You can't get away with saying 'oh it's just cause gaming attracts perverts', no, those people are everywhere. It is everyone's problem.
captjohnboyd
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as someone who had serious problems with alcohol and drug addiction it's ridiculous to me seeing people making excuses cause they were drunk.
I never did anything like this cause I was under the influence. Some fist fights or stupid decision making for sure but you don't assault a woman unless you don't think they have a say in the matter regardless of whether or not you're drunk.
You were an asshole to your friends or girlfriend cause you were drunk? Okay I'll bite. You sexually assaulted a woman not once but twice? Bullshit.
I never did anything like this cause I was under the influence. Some fist fights or stupid decision making for sure but you don't assault a woman unless you don't think they have a say in the matter regardless of whether or not you're drunk.
You were an asshole to your friends or girlfriend cause you were drunk? Okay I'll bite. You sexually assaulted a woman not once but twice? Bullshit.
Deadpool_X
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Saturday evening, I had a gaming night with my friends who live out of state. While playing, over the course of about 5 1/2 hours, I made up 4 Bloody Mary's, which, with my pour of vodka, was about half a handle of Smirnoff. Needless to say, when we stopped playing at 3 am on Sunday morning, I was a bit trashed. I turned the system off, stumbled upstairs to my bedroom, and upon laying down in bed, my wife woke up. She asked me if I had a good time, to which I told her "yes" and thanked her. She gave me a quick kiss goodnight, and I rolled over and passed out in seconds.
Know what I didn't do while completely trashed? Never once did I ever even entertain the thought of molesting my wife. I love her more than anything in this life, but at the same time, even had it been any other woman, I still wouldn't have thought about sexual assaulting the person. Alcohol is not the problem. Anyone who would do something like that has a demented heart and mind, and uses vices like alcohol as an excuse to carry out their evil desires.
Know what I didn't do while completely trashed? Never once did I ever even entertain the thought of molesting my wife. I love her more than anything in this life, but at the same time, even had it been any other woman, I still wouldn't have thought about sexual assaulting the person. Alcohol is not the problem. Anyone who would do something like that has a demented heart and mind, and uses vices like alcohol as an excuse to carry out their evil desires.
shanshan310
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"Under the thumb" is an interesting choice of expression... you make it sound like she's going to ruin his life on a whim. He committed the crime. Whether she or anyone else present in the room reports it doesn't change that. If he's convicted it'll be because he was found guilty in a court, not because the victim wanted further punishment.
Thank you for this. Some of the assumptions and accusations posters here are making about the actions of the people in the room are, as you say, ridiculous. Glad to hear the couple are doing alright.
demosthenes
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This is the same bullshit defense that kid that raped that girl in college like 2 months ago gave and it's bullshit.
You just said you don't drink. You don't even know what it's to be drunk or black out drunk. I have been and many others in this thread have been drunk on many many occasions and even black out drunk. I sure as hell hope that they are like me and never thought about crawling into a bed with someone and touching them when their fucking boyfriend is right next to them.
I see what you're saying but saying 10% of men are sexual predators is downright disrespectful and wrong. You would be stretching to say that 5% were.
Golgo 13
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Use this as a free, valuable lesson -- when you drink, you are %100 accountable for every single action you make. "I was drunk" is not a valid defense in any court of law, and in fact, it makes you look worse. This kid is VERY LUCKY she didn't press charges -- we're talking multiple felony sexual assault charges here. Guy could've, and likely would've been in prison for a long, long time if she had pursued charges.
El Sabroso
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I feel like it was so stupid from him, I mean even if he wanted to bang a girl, he was in vegas, is not too hard to just go to the strip and pay for some action, all over Mex scene is just making jokes about it and calling hyuga stupid, I think he is done for mexican events too
IcyRhythms
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People that use "I was drunk" or "I had a few drinks" is just trying to damage control the situation. Pieces of shit that do stuff like this, men or women that cheat, it's all disgusting.
No, 5-10% is about right. In the second page of the pdf below you can see statistics from 14 different studies conducted between 84 and 02.
http://www.binghamton.edu/counseling/documents/RAPE_FACT_SHEET1.pdf
Not sure if it's mentioned but:
Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/271554763213185/permalink/276155839419744/
And an addition:
Source: https://twitter.com/BearUNLV/status/755218201575698433
Not sure if this deserves a new thread, or just updated title/OP.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/271554763213185/permalink/276155839419744/
And an addition:
Source: https://twitter.com/BearUNLV/status/755218201575698433
Not sure if this deserves a new thread, or just updated title/OP.
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