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I looked back at my posts and I never actually meant to say any of that. You inferred some ridiculous stuff from my first post, then I responded to say that I didnt say the stuff you inferred, and then we were arguing just to argue. I only said the stuff I said after my first post because you had put the words in my mouth and at that point I had gotten captivated by the knee jerk reactions and forgot what I was even posting for.

It is what you said though and the responses you got were deserved. We can't read your mind. If that's not what you meant then that isn't our fault.I apologize if you found my first response unreasonable, but I did say it and I stand by my snark.

The follow-ups from me were not for the sake of argument. I legitimately did not know if you fully understood why the implication in your post was problematic. I feel like I have continued to respond in good faith from that point. If I just wanted to shit post you I wouldn't still be here.

 

[HStallion]

Some of the posts in this thread are really jumping through hoops to give us some kind of doubt about the guy in the situation. Geez I hear people talking about drinking changing your behavior or how you don't know what you're doing when black out drunk. Fuck off with that shit, its like people just can't accept the fact a drunken guy did something horrible twice and have to at least give him some benefit of a doubt.

 

[SunBroDave]

Doesn't matter whether the guy was sober or drunk, pro Smasher or total scrub - he did a fucking terrible thing and anyone defending him is a fucking moron.

 

[gwailo]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions. The whole point of drinking is to reduce restraints. If you're doing something you normally wouldn't do that can gain a shred of sympathy.

I also don't get the argument he shouldn't get any punishment. We have laws for drunk driving because even though it is wildly accepted that drinking dulls your thinking youo have the responsibility to yourself and others to set up things so your drunk ass isn't in the position to kill people. This woman was assaulted TWICE. He got way more leniancy than he deserved the first time around but the second his drunk ass knew what he was doing was wrong and he's getting a lot of what he deserves.

So far he's been banned from tournaments and kicked by his sponsor. He's also under the thumb of his victim if she decides to press charges. This guy needs a reality check about his behavior but he doesn't need anymore punishment from the community than he already got. It's up to her to pull the trigger on giving him a criminal record and the sex offender flag. At this point we as a community should be hammering into his head he has some underlying sexual ideas he needs to come to terms with.

It's one thing to get drunk and make an ass of yourself at the company Christmas party. It's quite another to get drunk and forcibly grope someone in their bed, not only once, but twice and then act like it was an innocent act. If the victim's friend hadn't stepped up, who knows how far this guy might have gone? Also the fact that he so readily did it twice makes me think this perhaps isn't the first time this has happened. Some actions deserve a slap on the wrist, but this isn't one of them. Unfortunately (depending on where the assault took place) the LVPD and Clark County sheriffs are corrupt/incompetent as fuck and aren't likely to do anything regarding this.

 

[mr teaspoon]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions.

Uh.....

 

[7DollarHagane]

It's unfortunate that shit like this happens in the FGC. We're better than this.

If I recall, VGBootCamp dropped him as a result of this.

Please don't make it an fgc issue. This was an event with over 10k players and attendants in the party and drinking capital of the country for 3-4 days.

It's a tragedy but trying to blame the fgc as a whole is either opportunistic or stupid.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Please don't make it an fgc issue. This was an event with over 10k players and attendants in the party and drinking capital of the country for 3-4 days.

It's a tragedy but trying to blame the fgc as a whole is either opportunistic or stupid.

This is clearly not a problem unique to the FGC, but it did happen between two community members so to throw your hands up and say "Nothin' to do with us!" doesn't seem like a great thing.

That's not to say I'm laying the blame on leaders within the community, but when something like this happens the response should be "Is there anything else we can do to help prevent this from happening?" instead of "Not our fault". I'm pretty sure that this wasn't the only incident like this that happened either, lots of assault that happens everywhere never gets reported.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Some of the posts in this thread are really jumping through hoops to give us some kind of doubt about the guy in the situation. Geez I hear people talking about drinking changing your behavior or how you don't know what you're doing when black out drunk. Fuck off with that shit, its like people just can't accept the fact a drunken guy did something horrible twice and have to at least give him some benefit of a doubt.

This. Dude did this shot TWICE in the course of less than an hour. Obviously he knew what he was doing and had complete control of his actions. There's no way to excuse his actions whatsoever.

 

[Nairume]

Everyone deserves empathy. Understanding the "good" and "bad" of humanity is essential for a productive and connected society.

Not getting thrown out of the room the first time was him getting empathy.

He squandered that when he did it again.

 

[JetSetRadio]

Yikes, terrible situation, I hope she can give it a place and move on after filing a complaint.
Don't bunk together with people you can't trust, her bf should feel terrible too inviting people in a hotel room while being pissed drunk and almost passed out, at least that seems to be the case if she didn't manage to wake him up.

 

[Trey]

Not getting thrown out of the room the first time was him getting empathy.

He squandered that when he did it again.

I'm speaking in regards to a general philosophy surrounding this discussion. About how both individuals and society at large can engage with destructive, harmful behavior.

What should or should not have been done by the parties involved in this particular situation is not something I'm interested in discussing. Being intoxicated is no excuse for the actions displayed by the person in question.

 

[Krejlooc]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions.

oh? Was someone pouring beer down his throat against his will?

 

[diaspora]

oh? Was someone pouring beer down his throat against his will?

Maybe he was forced by this guy:

 

[chronic_archaic]

Someone poured beer down his throat against his will.

What?

 

[Krappadizzle]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions. The whole point of drinking is to reduce restraints. If you're doing something you normally wouldn't do that can gain a shred of sympathy.

I also don't get the argument he shouldn't get any punishment. We have laws for drunk driving because even though it is wildly accepted that drinking dulls your thinking youo have the responsibility to yourself and others to set up things so your drunk ass isn't in the position to kill people. This woman was assaulted TWICE. He got way more leniancy than he deserved the first time around but the second his drunk ass knew what he was doing was wrong and he's getting a lot of what he deserves.

So far he's been banned from tournaments and kicked by his sponsor. He's also under the thumb of his victim if she decides to press charges. This guy needs a reality check about his behavior but he doesn't need anymore punishment from the community than he already got. It's up to her to pull the trigger on giving him a criminal record and the sex offender flag. At this point we as a community should be hammering into his head he has some underlying sexual ideas he needs to come to terms with.

You really don't understand why he's responsible? How old are you?

 

[diaspora]

You really don't understand why he's responsible? How old are you?

I think he means he/she doesn't understand how people can say that he's not responsible. Typo maybe? Because otherwise it contradicts with the rest of their post.

 

[wesleyshark]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions.

This is insanity. No one was forcing him to drink. No one was forcing him to do anything whilst under the influence of alcohol.

This argument/defense that someone isn't necessarily has responsible for their actions if they are high/drunk/under the influence is absolutely idiotic and dangerous.

 

[petran79]

oh? Was someone pouring beer down his throat against his will?

Fg players play best when drunk

 

[wildfire]

It's one thing to get drunk and make an ass of yourself at the company Christmas party. It's quite another to get drunk and forcibly grope someone in their bed, not only once, but twice and then act like it was an innocent act. If the victim's friend hadn't stepped up, who knows how far this guy might have gone? Also the fact that he so readily did it twice makes me think this perhaps isn't the first time this has happened. Some actions deserve a slap on the wrist, but this isn't one of them. Unfortunately (depending on where the assault took place) the LVPD and Clark County sheriffs are corrupt/incompetent as fuck and aren't likely to do anything regarding this.

So you would agree with me if you actually read the second and third paragraph.

As I said before being drunk allows me to have a shred of sympathy since it does clearly affect with your mind. I didn't say he shouldn't be criminally prosecuted and am supportive of a lot of the shit he's gotten so far. He doesn't need more people dogpiling on him, if their goal is to punish him further, instead of making him aware how flawed it was for him to say he's really a good guy. As for the victim, I personally would press charges, if I was in her place, but if she chooses not to it's her call to make.

This is insanity. No one was forcing him to drink. No one was forcing him to do anything whilst under the influence of alcohol.

This argument/defense that someone isn't necessarily has responsible for their actions if they are high/drunk/under the influence is absolutely idiotic and dangerous.

You're talking in absolutes. I'm talking in degree. FYI I'm saying the degree of responsibility is like 99% if you wanted it in hard numbers.

 

[vinnygambini]

If you call the police, I can't enter the US. So so sorry btw.

Wtf is this shit.

 

[reson8or]

How come this story is not on the "major" commercial websites? I just checked Both Gamespot and IGN no sign of the story. Unless the victim was reached for comment and requested the story not be run, I find it hard to imagine that this is nowhere to be found.

 

[Alucrid]

If you call the police, I can't enter the US. So so sorry btw.

Wtf is this shit.

when your smash career is more important than the fact that you sexually assaulted someone twice in one night

 

[GeordieMark]

I've been so drunk that I've fallen asleep on pavements, fallen over, smashed up a phone booth and been arrested, and even pissed myself, but I've never sexually assaulted anyone.

Booze is no excuse.

 

[FoxSpirit]

Please don't make it an fgc issue. This was an event with over 10k players and attendants in the party and drinking capital of the country for 3-4 days.

It's a tragedy but trying to blame the fgc as a whole is either opportunistic or stupid.

Yeah, wanted to say, terrible incident but it has nothing to do with the fgc.

 

[anothertech]

Yes. Sometimes people who drunkenly grope their friends still need to be cared about.

No. Sexual predators do not need or deserve your sympathy. They deserve to be ousted for who they are and punished for their deeds.

This is far more than 'drunkenly groping your friends', honestly it's baffling how hard you try to downplay the situation. Being drunk IS NOT a defense, no matter how many times you say it.

 

[Wavebossa]

Weird question: Has the Smash community reacted at all? Not just the sponsor, but is he still allowed at majors or streaming with an audience?

Not sure, but knowing how the Sm4sh community is, I will be surprised if any major lets him pen his name down as an entrant.

 

[anothertech]

You're talking in absolutes. I'm talking in degree. FYI I'm saying the degree of responsibility is like 99% if you wanted it in hard numbers.

Well that's where you're wrong. From a legal standpoint, he's 100% responsible for his actions. There are no degrees here, whether drunk or not.

 

[KojiKnight]

This is insanity. No one was forcing him to drink. No one was forcing him to do anything whilst under the influence of alcohol.

This argument/defense that someone isn't necessarily has responsible for their actions if they are high/drunk/under the influence is absolutely idiotic and dangerous.

I think he simply mistyped that, otherwise the first sentence doesn't match the rest of the post.

I know this is a tough subject for a lot of people, but let's try to give our fellow posters at least a little bit of benefit of the doubt if most of what they typed was anti-molester.

 

[Gestault]

How come this story is not on the "major" commercial websites? I just checked Both Gamespot and IGN no sign of the story. Unless the victim was reached for comment and requested the story not be run, I find it hard to imagine that this is nowhere to be found.

I've seen some news sources with a policy to wait until a police report comes up in the public record, so the source is more formalized, and addresses some underlying libel concerns. Personally, what information is here seems to make this a fairly "clear" matter to report, but that's an editorial decision.

 

[Shifty1897]

Okay, so, to give a bit of perspective here, 18% of women in the U.S. have been raped, which works out to about 20 million women.

And that's just rape, which wouldn't include the incident in the OP. And that's excluding the men as well, which is a non-trivial number.

If you consider the amount of people who must be sex offenders given this, you would expect to find them basically everywhere, including here.

Honestly, I'm in shock. I had no idea the percentage was that high.

I feel gross to be a human being right now.

 

[Sibylus]

Awful ordeal to go through.

And let's not kid ourselves here: Loss of sponsorship and life bans from competition for sexual assault is still getting off light. Get your head checked if you're talking about ISIS cutting off hands in the same breath as this. Proven track record as a sexual predator? You are owed nothing. Find a new passion and don't molest anybody this time.

 

[HStallion]

Glad some posters will give me the benefit of a doubt if a I were to get black out drunk and beat the shit out of them not once but twice. Don't worry I'm normally a nice person but the demon liquor brought out the worst in me. Really I'm a nice guy.

 

[BokehKing]

Wtf is going on, does EVO attract perverts or something?

Perverts are everywhere, they are not in some stereotypical shadow corner.

 

[Gattsu25]

Doing something while drunk shouldn't get you off the hook, but being drunk does take you out of your right mind and make you do things you wouldn't. This kind of thing is why I personally don't drink and don't ever plan to. I'd hate to do or say negative things that I wouldn't if I were sober.

That's exactly why you don't get drunk enough to the point where you are no longer in control of your actions. Drink responsibly.

Drank too much and are not in control anymore? You chose to get that drunk. Live with your consequences just like the people your inebriated ass affected will have to live with what you did to them.

 

[SpiceMelange]

Glad some posters will give me the benefit of a doubt if a I were to get black out drunk and beat the shit out of them not once but twice. Don't worry I'm normally a nice person but the demon liquor brought out the worst in me. Really I'm a nice guy.

The second you start drinking

 

[Icyflamez96]

That's exactly why you don't get drunk enough to the point where you are no longer in control of your actions. Drink responsibly.

Drank too much and are not in control anymore? You chose to get that drunk. Live with your consequences just like the people your inebriated ass affected will have to live with what you did to them.

I agree with that.

 

[Stiler]

Ok, the guy deserves what he got. Losing sponsor's, tournament ban, and if the woman decides to pursue it , taken to court for his actions and what the court decides to do.

However it astounds me reading some comments in here some people seem to think drinking has ZERO affect on your brain or ability to make rational thoughts.

Like what? Why do you think people drink and drive? Get into fights they can't possibly win, even fighting their own friends? People having unprotected sex, sleeping with people they normally wouldn't, etc. This isn't like some "new" thing they just found out, they've known for a while that alcohol impairs your judgement and leads you to make horrible choices that you normally wouldn't make.

It directly affects different parts of your brain, from slower motor function, dopamine, etc. Which an lead to many affects, some of which can be different on a person to person basis and even different in the same person at different times.

Newer studies have shown that you can in fact understand that the mistakes or things you do are "bad" choices while drunk, but it makes you not care about the consequences.

What he did was a horrible thing, and he deserves to be punished for it. Drinking isn't an excuse to do something like that and no one should be able to get drink and do something like that and simply say "I was drunk, didn't mean to" and rightfully so he deserves what he gets. However some people seem to think he deserves to be drawn and quartered and act like the alcohol played zero roll or part in anything.

The thing that makes me think he's a bad person is his follow up post the following day. He seems more concerned about his sponsorship and being able to play then he seems concerned about his actions or the victim, which leads me to believe that he doesn't really care as much about what he did. That says quite a bit.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

The boyfriend let's this guy Into the room? It happens TWICE and they kick him out???

What the hell. If someone tried that with my girlfriend he woulda been head first out the window.

Happy his sponsor dropped him, he will also hopefully be banned a visa and not play anymore. What a loser.

 

[outsidah]

The boyfriend let's this guy Into the room? It happens TWICE and they kick him out???

What the hell. If someone tried that with my girlfriend he woulda been head first out the window.

Happy his sponsor dropped him, he will also hopefully be banned a visa and not play anymore. What a loser.

Apparently he got plastered so bad he didn't hear any of it happen. The decision to let a stranger sleep in he room with you and your girlfriend was a very poor one though (not to mention getting yourself so plastered you didn't realize what was happening)

The girl is now saying she doesn't want to make a big deal of it because her Hispanic parents won't let her travel our of state along with some other stuff... Can't say I agree with her but they all seem very young and naive.

 

[Nairume]

The decision to let a stranger sleep in he room with you and your girlfriend was a very poor one though (not to mention getting yourself so plastered you didn't realize what was happening).

He wasn't exactly a stranger, and the decision was specifically made because the group (there were more than just the victim and her boyfriend staying in the room) was worried about Hyuga because he was too drunk to find his way back to his own hotel and they didn't want him wandering around Vegas alone and drunk at night.

It was a poor decision in retrospect sure (and especially the decision to let him stay after the first time he assaulted her) but they at least had a decent reason for letting him in to begin with.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Everyone deserves empathy. Understanding the "good" and "bad" of humanity is essential for a productive and connected society.

This. And to that extent, I can empathize with the fact that this guy wasn't in full control of his actions during that night.

...BUT, he still chose to let himself get drunk, and he's still responsible. Legally and ethically.

If he doesn't get banned from tournaments for life, something is seriously wrong with the fighting game community as a whole.

 

[BiggNife]

As always, there's gonna be someone who doesn't read a post, and comments on it, so whatever. I've made my stance clear multiple times in this thread, but being in agreement with everyone isn't good enough I guess.
.

No, I read the post, and I know you're not excusing what happened, but that argument still doesn't work and it's not really relevant to the thread. Listening to music when you normally don't isn't actually that weird.

 

[Megatron]

Glad some posters will give me the benefit of a doubt if a I were to get black out drunk and beat the shit out of them not once but twice. Don't worry I'm normally a nice person but the demon liquor brought out the worst in me. Really I'm a nice guy.

Ha ha. You get blackout drunk, you wont be able to beat up shit, son. Youll be drooling and falling all over yourself.

 

[Bear Force One]

Apparently he got plastered so bad he didn't hear any of it happen. The decision to let a stranger sleep in he room with you and your girlfriend was a very poor one though (not to mention getting yourself so plastered you didn't realize what was happening)

The girl is now saying she doesn't want to make a big deal of it because her Hispanic parents won't let her travel our of state along with some other stuff... Can't say I agree with her but they all seem very young and naive.

I'd say that she has a responsibility to make it a big deal to protect other girls and that's more important than travelling.

Also just to reclaim her power from this terrible situation. I feel for her.

 

[DCharlie]

Ok, the guy deserves what he got. Losing sponsor's, tournament ban, and if the woman decides to pursue it , taken to court for his actions and what the court decides to do.

However it astounds me reading some comments in here some people seem to think drinking has ZERO affect on your brain or ability to make rational thoughts.

Like what? Why do you think people drink and drive? Get into fights they can't possibly win, even fighting their own friends? People having unprotected sex, sleeping with people they normally wouldn't, etc. This isn't like some "new" thing they just found out, they've known for a while that alcohol impairs your judgement and leads you to make horrible choices that you normally wouldn't make.

... how many times , when drunk, have you sexually assaulted someone?

 

[JABEE]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions. The whole point of drinking is to reduce restraints. If you're doing something you normally wouldn't do that can gain a shred of sympathy.

I also don't get the argument he shouldn't get any punishment. We have laws for drunk driving because even though it is wildly accepted that drinking dulls your thinking youo have the responsibility to yourself and others to set up things so your drunk ass isn't in the position to kill people. This woman was assaulted TWICE. He got way more leniancy than he deserved the first time around but the second his drunk ass knew what he was doing was wrong and he's getting a lot of what he deserves.

So far he's been banned from tournaments and kicked by his sponsor. He's also under the thumb of his victim if she decides to press charges. This guy needs a reality check about his behavior but he doesn't need anymore punishment from the community than he already got. It's up to her to pull the trigger on giving him a criminal record and the sex offender flag. At this point we as a community should be hammering into his head he has some underlying sexual ideas he needs to come to terms with.

Or we could just say that he's a sex criminal that deserves whatever punishment is warranted under the law. She isn't "pulling the trigger" on him. She is protecting herself and other women from him.

You are responsible for what you do to othersunder the influence of drugs/alcohol. Driving or other things.

 

[Goose_Se7en]

Drunk or not this does not excuse this dude's behavior. He should have had the foresight to not drink as much as he did.

He probably isn't a a bad person. Just someone who made the wrong choice and must adhere to the consequences. Does this mean he doesn't deserve a second chance? Absolutely not, just not now.

 

[Speedwagon]

dude should stop drinking and reevaluate his life because he obviously has issues

 

[Hylian7]

I really don't get these arguments that he's fully responsible for his actions. The whole point of drinking is to reduce restraints. If you're doing something you normally wouldn't do that can gain a shred of sympathy.

I also don't get the argument he shouldn't get any punishment. We have laws for drunk driving because even though it is wildly accepted that drinking dulls your thinking youo have the responsibility to yourself and others to set up things so your drunk ass isn't in the position to kill people. This woman was assaulted TWICE. He got way more leniancy than he deserved the first time around but the second his drunk ass knew what he was doing was wrong and he's getting a lot of what he deserves.

So far he's been banned from tournaments and kicked by his sponsor. He's also under the thumb of his victim if she decides to press charges. This guy needs a reality check about his behavior but he doesn't need anymore punishment from the community than he already got. It's up to her to pull the trigger on giving him a criminal record and the sex offender flag. At this point we as a community should be hammering into his head he has some underlying sexual ideas he needs to come to terms with.

If someone is drunk and kills someone, are they not responsible?

If someone is drunk and robs someone, are they not responsible?

She is well within reason to press charges, and I hope she does.

It's simple: Don't rape, sexually assault, or do other terrible stuff. Period. Full stop.

 

[what-ok]

Zero tolerance.
It's nice to hear that she came forward. She needs to be heard. Many of my friends who have been assaulted talk about the shame and way that society doesn't listen to their experiences and makes excuses why they were assaulted. Its absolutely disgusting. I hope he gets help.