Being banned from smash bros is not equivalent to "never being allowed to work again."
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Female Smash player was sexually molested at EVO: Offender banned from comp play 1 yr
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Being banned from smash bros is not equivalent to "never being allowed to work again."
I think there are certain crimes that people feel should instantly exclude you from participating in future events. Sexually assaulting someone definitely feels like one of those things to me. Having a sexual predator on the premises could create tension for other people attending the event. Other people who had not committed a sexual assault. Them feeling safe should be a higher priority than this man being able to win money playing video games.
I think your heart is in the right place, but I feel like people who commit sexual assault don't garner a lot of sympathy...
you're right there isnt much sympathy, nor should there be
but im more questioning why people are always more concerned with punishment than preventation. Like, im genuinely interested in what drives a person to act the way he did and find out what went wrong.
Velcro Fly
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There is just a base level of behavior that should be expected to be at one of these events. Obviously sexual assault doesn't meet that standard. Playing competitive smash is a privilege not a right. I wouldn't get a one year ban from where I work. I'd get fired forever. So should this guy.
He's really lucky not to be prosecuted because the way all this has blown up there would probably be enough evidence to convict. It's a shame and I don't really know if the guy is going to learn the right lesson from this.
He's really lucky not to be prosecuted because the way all this has blown up there would probably be enough evidence to convict. It's a shame and I don't really know if the guy is going to learn the right lesson from this.
perfectchaos007
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You learn a lot about yourself after waking up from being blackout drunk.With my one experience, the next day I was shown pictures of me resting my head on the girl I liked but I wasn't assaulting her in any way, and there were plenty of witnesses who assured me there was no foul play on my end other than me excusing myself to the restroom for 30 minutes to purge. So that night I learned, at minimum, I wasn't a terrible human being. Being blackout drunk can bring out a person's true character good or bad. This guy exposed himself as a molester and should never be in the same room with a girl when he's blackout drunk unless they are dating/married. He says he's a good person and whatnot but his actions suggested otherwise
You are flat out not reading what people are saying to you. At fucking all.
HE SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE TO ENSURE HE DOES NOT HURT ANYONE ELSE.
There, I even bolded it for you.
by that logic, you would have to ban him from life itself to prevent him from potentially molesting people whenever he drinks. Its not a preventation, its setting a standard because obviously tournaments dont want to associate with that kind of behavior.
Velcro Fly
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jail is supposed to be the thing that makes it so you don't have to ban him from everything
and im genuinely surprised hes not getting charged
That, and taking a strong stance on this behavior helps create a culture where this shit is VERY VERY CLEARLY NOT OKAY. Which I know sounds obvious, but dude dominated scenes can be really bad at spreading the word. Build consent culture into the community. That's prevention.
Within the span of an hour you have
A) Claimed this is a witch hunt against this guy
B) insinuated that all the people calling for harsher punishments are the problem and not this guy
C) equated a lifelong ban on playing video games to a death sentence
You truly have no self awareness.
Rape Culture 101.
good god, THIS. A lifelong ban sends a message to others!
I'm not certain whether 1 year is too short of a ban or not, how the victim feels about that, whether it will truly be rehabilitatory, etc. But what I am more certain about is that "only" a year ban is not doing much for culling the reputation the FGC (or perhaps, competitive gaming communities in general; I don't know because I don't follow others) is accruing, whether they're based on skewed or accurate samples of behavior.
It's going to come off as merciful, and I don't know if that's prospectively the best way to discourage this type of behavior in general.
It's going to come off as merciful, and I don't know if that's prospectively the best way to discourage this type of behavior in general.
A) I already said that it wasnt the right word
B) thats not what i said
C) thats not what i said
but you can continue to insult me if it makes you happy
and now im being labelled with "Rape Culture"
how is this ok?
TatteredHat
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You are right, yet at the same time I feel like the guy should be prosecuted anyway.
If he doesn't end up with criminal charges they should up the ban to a lifetime ban right away, I understand them only giving out a 1 year ban if he's going to jail for multiple years anyway but if he's not then his punishment is not sufficient for the crime he has committed.
And now D) Played the victim in a thread about a woman being sexually assaulted
You're not actually reading what he's saying.
Why would saying you're misconstruing his posts not be okay because of the subject of the thread?
For the safety of all,
he should be banned from competitions.
Let's say, a couple years from now, he goes to an event.
He might get some mob justice.
Which could lead to him getting beaten, and others with assault charges.
It also sets an example, that assault of any kind, is not tolerated.
It's best for the community, that he be banned for good.
he should be banned from competitions.
Let's say, a couple years from now, he goes to an event.
He might get some mob justice.
Which could lead to him getting beaten, and others with assault charges.
It also sets an example, that assault of any kind, is not tolerated.
It's best for the community, that he be banned for good.
There's no way to say this that doesn't sound condescending, but it's not personal. Like, I don't think you're a fundamentally shitty person for the things you're saying, but I think the things you're saying are pretty awful and contributed to a culture where sexual assault and rape are enabled. So yeah, rape culture.
GloriousBagel
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Banned for 1 year? What a lame 'punishment', he deserves to be banned from EVO for life.
what am i saying that is awful and in any way enabling rape?
that is fucking insulting, as is the guy posting a victim card image.
bananafactory
Banned
Uhhh.. wow. Just catching up
Dude should be banned for life. No excuse.
This...isn't really uncommon? I've slept in all sorts of situations with people. Especially at parties and such. As long as you're not hanging out with sex offenders and creeps there's no problem
Dude should be banned for life. No excuse.
This...isn't really uncommon? I've slept in all sorts of situations with people. Especially at parties and such. As long as you're not hanging out with sex offenders and creeps there's no problem
Naw, I'm reading it just fine.
Because it's rather funny that he's made several posts expressing empathy for the sexual molestor, and asked for sympathy for himself, yet hasn't made any posts actually expressing genuine concern for the victim.
It's already been explained to you, I'm not going to go through it again.
I mean, if me and my friends were partying I wouldn't think it's too weird that my girlfriend passed out in bed with one of my buddies. People get drunk, they go to sleep. I wouldn't be jealous or suspicious of my girlfriend, and I wouldn't think my friend would sexually assault anyone.
Because you are the one that started the conversation of "but what about his livelihood?!" when he had just molested a women, twice. Then when we call you out on your bullshit you start with the "how is this okay", acting as if you are the victim here and we are just senseless bullies.
There were 2 other male friends in the room. You'd think that would be enough to keep someone from doing something like this. And they felt bad for the guy who was walking around Vegas drunk alone. Nobody deserves blame or criticism except the molester.
spazchicken
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What's all this EVO talk? I mean, he should serve time.
The victim unfortunately has to press charges, and she said that she believes pressing charges will create road blocks in her life towards her dreams.
John Wick
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BOOM!
That's the problem we don't know most of the time who the perverts and creeps are until it happens. Just wouldn't risk it with my girlfriend.
spazchicken
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Well, he'll be forever outcast as "the rapist guy" throughout the community. Maybe he'll even get his ass kicked once or twice down the road because of this.
If it's not a big enough deal for her to press charges then I guess it's not that big a deal.
Didn't even think about that.
Of course TOs from tournaments haven't spoken up. I get the feeling he's going to get a lifetime ban from EVO and will probably get similar bans from other major tournaments.
Man, there are a lot of reasons for women not pressing charges, it doesn't have anything to do with it not being a big deal.
There is still stigma for victims. There is outside pressure. It could force the victim to confront what happened over a protracted period of time. We are talking about a potentially huge burden if things go to court. Many victims just want to move on. That doesn't mean it isn't a big deal.
John Wick
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That's the thing when Alcohol is consumed. People behave very differently especially when they're really drunk. I'm not sure this was an actual close friend or just an acquaintance from gaming meets. His 1 year ban is laughable.
how is pinning me to rape culture in any way productive or fair?
answer me please
out of curiosity, what would happen if a professional athlete were caught doing this on their downtime?
You mean like how USA Swimming banned Brock Turner for life for sexual assault?
Hmm I wonder
Riposte
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I don't think it's the collective TOs responsibility to distribute justice, even if the legal system which is suppose to do that isn't being used. And the punishment they handed out (and standardized) isn't just a one year ban: If he does something likely even a fraction as dire as what he did, it is a permanent ban - nevermind the other kinds of consequences he will already face. It's fairly questionable there would be a different effect with a straight life time ban.
you know you can reply without being patronizing, right?
like what do you achieve by doing so?
John Wick
Member
I'm not blaming anyone. But always throw caution to the wind when Alcohol is involved and if the person isn't a close friend. He was drunk they could have gotten him a room with one of the guys or shared with other guys.
She's probably decided to not press charges because internet wankers will bully her just like certain other female......... She'll end up suffering more because sad little boys will harass her.
spazchicken
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I can understand wanting to try and move on.
She probably has a level of compassion for what he's going through as well.
Not everyone commits sexual assault when they're drunk. This guy did. He should be accountable and deal with the consequences.
Yes, it's common for victims to feel guilt for bringing their attackers to justice. Therapy can help alleviate that misplaced guilt.
no, but alcohol is the most destructive drug which is also very easily obtainable and also 100% legal. Its far too culturally ingrained to be more restricted or policed so im not sure how that can change.
fucking disgusting. Absolutely fucking pathetic.
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