There were witnesses other than the victim, right?
I dont know if the victim can stop others from making a statement. In some Aus states I think a charge can be brought against DV perps regardless of whether the victim wants to press charges.
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Female Smash player was sexually molested at EVO: Offender banned from comp play 1 yr
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There were witnesses other than the victim, right?
I dont know if the victim can stop others from making a statement. In some Aus states I think a charge can be brought against DV perps regardless of whether the victim wants to press charges.
Oh, they've already decided she's a problem, I'm sure.
I think the victim has to press chargers. My knowledge is base is literally on a business law class and watching Law and Order.
superstu64
Neo Member
This story is bloody sad, is there a reason the victim hasn't got Police involved, it seems from the very distant outside that she really should do... [EDIT: She has, my error, says in OP]
Not the place and not entirely related, but wanted to vent this for a while...
The whole Youtubers/Gaming celebrity culture is a disaster waiting to happen. In my line of work I work at various Gaming events and it kind of scares me to see these 20-30 year old men hanging round with kids and obviously having such a huge influence over them. You see the queues for autographs or meet sessions mostly made up of under 16's, they are in awe of these "celebrities". You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the potential for some shady sick nonsense happening....
Saddens me greatly that no authorities seem to care or understand what is going on.
Bringing it back to this particular horrible case, this is another example of how little interest the outside media is taking in what is happening. The guy involved in this case really needs to be punished more than just having a ban from playing competitive games for a year.. But I doubt he will.
The world is fucked, this is yet another example of that sadly
Not the place and not entirely related, but wanted to vent this for a while...
The whole Youtubers/Gaming celebrity culture is a disaster waiting to happen. In my line of work I work at various Gaming events and it kind of scares me to see these 20-30 year old men hanging round with kids and obviously having such a huge influence over them. You see the queues for autographs or meet sessions mostly made up of under 16's, they are in awe of these "celebrities". You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the potential for some shady sick nonsense happening....
Saddens me greatly that no authorities seem to care or understand what is going on.
Bringing it back to this particular horrible case, this is another example of how little interest the outside media is taking in what is happening. The guy involved in this case really needs to be punished more than just having a ban from playing competitive games for a year.. But I doubt he will.
The world is fucked, this is yet another example of that sadly
moffattron9000
Member
This story is bloody sad, is there a reason the victim hasn't got Police involved, it seems from the very distant outside that she really should do...
Not the place and not entirely related, but wanted to vent this for a while...
The whole Youtubers/Gaming celebrity culture is a disaster waiting to happen. In my line of work I work at various Gaming events and it kind of scares me to see these 20-30 year old men hanging round with kids and obviously having such a huge influence over them. You see the queues for autographs or meet sessions mostly made up of under 16's, they are in awe of these "celebrities". You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the potential for some shady sick nonsense happening....
Saddens me greatly that no authorities seem to care or understand what is going on.
Bringing it back to this particular horrible case, this is another example of how little interest the outside media is taking in what is happening. The guy involved in this case really needs to be punished more than just having a ban from playing competitive games for a year.. But I doubt he will.
The world is fucked, this is yet another example of that sadly
What you've feared has happened quite a bit. It just so happens that the media at large doesn't really care, because they don't really get YouTube.
veloxStrix
Banned
Luckily, there are a few... similar cases where women have had stupid double standards thrown at them and came out of it alright. Hafu has a pretty good career after all the drama in her career. Hopefully we can see something similar come out of this.
I thought they did contact the police? Maybe by 'authorities' they meant 'tournament/hotel authorities'.
Edit: it says right there in the OP 'We filed a police report'
superstu64
Neo Member
Yep, my bad. I'll go back to lurking now.
Suuuuper late to this but I think I totally misread your OP. For some reason I read it in a far more aggressive tone and took it as you saying she wasn't molested rather than you hoping that wasn't the case. I'm sorry!
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Dudes getting props for passive aggressive subliminals. Fucking twitter I swear.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Concise and 100% fact.
They did, but she decided not to press charges. Her reasoning being that if she did so, her parents would find out what happened and wouldn't let her go to these events again. A real shame that she has to choose.
nailbombxx
Member
grounded from playing video games for 1 year for sexual harassment
that doesn't seem appropriate
that doesn't seem appropriate
That punishment is a joke. Why would you let someone like that in your event. Should've been for life.
Waut? He's not getting charged?
Sadly there's a defense force for everything. This is no punishment at all, but hopefully he will feel too ashamed to return to competitive play.
giancarlo123x
Banned
One year? Get the fuck out of here. Should be lifetime.
That is the worst part of this. He isn't getting charged so the little shit can come back into the US and pull this type of thing again.
And people are stupid if they think this guy hasn't done something similar before. Seems like the type based on his apology.
IMO if this guy is allowed to play Smash then people should boycott Smash. Smash should be removed from EVO as long as a guy like this is backed by the community.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Just a year?
So in 365 days they're going to welcome him back? What a shitty decision.
So in 365 days they're going to welcome him back? What a shitty decision.
Sunset Samurai
Member
Whether he meant to or not it's completely unacceptable
RichiRamjag
Member
That's the issue. Who is going to boycott if the community is backing him.
Shitty situation all around. I don't get it, I could only imagine if she was my sister, wife, etc. I'd be livid. Guy is gonna get away with this bullshit.
I'm not totally 100% clear on the Noel Brown incident (Correct me on the details if I'm mistaken) at Combo Breaker, but I was under the impression that he groped a woman that he knew and that there was some level of ambiguity as to whether or not he knew it was welcome when he did it. If I remember correctly he got a year ban and would be permanently banned on a second offense.
In his case it seemed a little bit on the light side, but a relatively fair punishment because it seemed like an ambiguous situation.
In this case there is zero ambiguity and he literally did two offenses right there. The punishment is a slap on the wrist and in all honesty the guy should probably be doing jail time for what he did. He tried it twice, even if you want to use the ruling from Brown as a guideline it should be a lifetime ban.
In his case it seemed a little bit on the light side, but a relatively fair punishment because it seemed like an ambiguous situation.
In this case there is zero ambiguity and he literally did two offenses right there. The punishment is a slap on the wrist and in all honesty the guy should probably be doing jail time for what he did. He tried it twice, even if you want to use the ruling from Brown as a guideline it should be a lifetime ban.
Being drunk only makes you care less what you normally would not dare to do but want to. It means your true personality comes out without any things stopping you. Basically it means he is a perfert and when drunk he doenst care to hide it. So no excuse can ever be made on alchohol.
This isn't even a punishment. Guy should be facing jail time if he steps foot in the US again and should be banned from smash for life.
There is nothing ambiguous about what happened. He sexually assaulted a woman twice in the same night. And then he begged for forgiveness because he doesn't want her to press charges. He's a sociopath.
schaft0620
Member
He was arrested no?
If I had to follow their logic, it's because those cheating/match riggings were directly affecting the tournament itself, where you could argue the molestation took place as an outside incident, only indirectly affecting the tournament.
Essentially people want him banned for life because he's a shitty person outside of the tournament directly, and while I can understand (and agree with) that completely, I can also see why they (the FGC illuminati) would only give him a "light" punishment.
I personally think he deserves a lot, lot more than a year, but the FGC has always been afraid to fuck over their own. Noel Brown still being a part of anything in the FGC at this point is walking proof.
Heart of Black
Member
1 year? How about 5?
Sputnik Sweetheart
Neo Member
I agree with this. People talking like a one year ban from competitive Smash isn't enough, but no amount of being banned from competitive Smash is enough. Leaders of the Smash scene (as much as they even exist) aren't the police, but they could and should have banned him for longer.
As a Smash player, you shouldn't be sitting down next to this person to play.
Shotgun Kiss
Member
5 years? How about a permanent ban? That's exactly what he should have received.
FadedRevolution
Member
I think he was still talking about Noel Brown in that statement
You misunderstood my post (not really sure how the third paragraph should have made it clear) I was talking about Noel Brown there.
I said in the third paragraph that this guy should probably be facing jail time and get banned for life.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. This thread has pissed me off.
What I said in my post about the fucking sociopath still makes sense though.
Did she not press charges? or something? I thought this was going to be pretty straight forward. They even had witnesses. :/
Yeah, he's a terrible human being. He was more concerned over not being able to play smash, than what he put her through.
Yeah, he's a terrible human being. He was more concerned over not being able to play smash, than what he put her through.
Shotgun Kiss
Member
This isn't even just about "justice"; a permanent ban should have been issued to ensure that victims of this are NEVER put in a situation where they have to be around somebody who assaulted them. The girl in question here could be forced to be around him again in a year.
In the event of a second offense, I'm sure the victim will take so much consolation in the fact the perpetrator got a permanent ban, that it will make up for the fact she never would have been assaulted at all if a permanent ban had been given for the first offense.
There is ZERO justification for the ban not being permanent. It's obviously not worth a lifetime prison sentence, because it doesn't justify him being removed from society for the rest of his life, but show me any employer, school, club, group, etc, that wouldn't permanently eject somebody if they did this.
In the event of a second offense, I'm sure the victim will take so much consolation in the fact the perpetrator got a permanent ban, that it will make up for the fact she never would have been assaulted at all if a permanent ban had been given for the first offense.
There is ZERO justification for the ban not being permanent. It's obviously not worth a lifetime prison sentence, because it doesn't justify him being removed from society for the rest of his life, but show me any employer, school, club, group, etc, that wouldn't permanently eject somebody if they did this.
It's all good, I'm not going to act like I've never misread or accidentally overlooked some text before. I'm certainly not going to hold it against you either especially since your anger about this ruling is completely justifed.
I just wanted to make it absolutely clear that I'm not defending this guy in anyway shape or form. It's not possible for the community to punish him as hard as he deserves so a lifetime ban is the only thing that makes sense.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Yeah, that letter went the opposite way from how I expected. It sounds more like "Don't worry, it doesn't even have to be a year! "
"Yeah seeing the previous post with a detailed explanation of where it came from, I am hopeful at the very least he's banned from every major tournament.
Wow that followup post is (somehow) even worse.
I'd be willing to argue that they shouldn't be the ones to decide on what happens and that welfare issues should be picked up by a group that is solely responsible and accountable for that rather than a group that seems more focused on the number of stocks per round than the amount of perverts in their community.
This is the kind of shit that puts people off going to or taking friends to events.
I'd be willing to argue that they shouldn't be the ones to decide on what happens and that welfare issues should be picked up by a group that is solely responsible and accountable for that rather than a group that seems more focused on the number of stocks per round than the amount of perverts in their community.
This is the kind of shit that puts people off going to or taking friends to events.
Lakershead22
Member
I came in here for an update on the situation and i see that he gets a slap on the wrist. What a joke. A lifetime ban is more suitable.
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