The severity of the punishment doesn't seem to give any room for redemption on a drunken mistake, if we believe in second chances and all that.
And that's perfectly fine, but again I would rather see him prosecuted criminally.
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Female Smash player was sexually molested at EVO: Offender banned from comp play 1 yr
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The severity of the punishment doesn't seem to give any room for redemption on a drunken mistake, if we believe in second chances and all that.
And that's perfectly fine, but again I would rather see him prosecuted criminally.
he had a second chance, and what he did with it is try to grope the girl again.
Also, we are talking about a fucking videogame tournament, not throwing him at jail.
There needs to be 0 tolerance with this . It's the only that this people stop and think again before doing anything wrong like this, seeing as how they care that much about their game (just look at the pic in OP). Honestly, I'm amazed at how banning him 1 year of playing a videogame tournament is a severe punishment for what he did.
Btw the more I read what happened the more I call bullshit at the excuse that he was so drunk and he don't remember nothing, but I guess that discussion is old already.
So the 1 year ban isnt even in consensus and official?
What is this fucking joke.
So dont release a statement making it feel "official". It only confuses people that doesnt know how the community works.
Like i said, its a joke.
What is this fucking joke.
So dont release a statement making it feel "official". It only confuses people that doesnt know how the community works.
Like i said, its a joke.
They're literally following the guidelines that Capcom used for similar situations with this gravitos and leaving it up for individual TO's to decide what to do with it.
I do expect both EVO and CEO to ban him for much longer then one year however.
The twitlonger....was not great however.
Unlike Nintendo enforces it, it'll never be really 'official' though that all TO's have to adhere to.
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Gross as hell. That anyone in the Smash community might be willing to associate with the guy ever again shows how much they respect women. Rape or "rapey" actions should never be tolerated even a little bit. Alcohol is no excuse.
I don't see why the smash community would want to put their non-sex-offender players in the position of having to choose whether or not they should play at the same event as this guy. I know that if I were intent on competing but one of the other competitors was basically a criminal, I would feel torn between wanting to play and not wanting to play in the same tournament as him.
Just saw the Global Smash 4 Leadership Group statement and man thats a pathetic response to what happened. The follow up statement from Bear confirms that.
Its obvious this isnt a community that is run well or capable of organising itself to a point where it has rules/regulations.
ps3ud0 8)
Its obvious this isnt a community that is run well or capable of organising itself to a point where it has rules/regulations.
ps3ud0 8)
That's bullshit. This was much more serious then the Capcom example. Also the Capcom ban should have been longer.
This is not the same situation AT ALL. Harassment and assault are not the same thing.
This is shameful and reprehensible. What kind of "organization" are they running that doesn't ban this guy for life? There should be no room for discussion. If it were their mother/sister/girlfriend that it happened to I bet they would think differently.
BibiMaghoo
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They are not a court of law, and punishments should be handled by them. I view this more as a topping of 'fuck you' over the shit storm he has already faced, and will continue to face. Members of that community are not qualified to judge a persons crimes, and that is what they have tried to essentially do.
Personally I would have banned him for life, not as a punishment, but because I wouldn't want him anywhere near an event I was part of, and I think that is where they erred. In a years time, the rapey guy will be floating around the comps again, and that isn't good for other people there, even if it truly was a one off mistake and he truly is a nice guy, he will still bring that presence with him to future events and people will know it and be uncomfortable.
As for actual punishment, that is for the police and courts.
this is some weird semantics
If the girl doesn't want to press charges there's unfortunately nothing the law can do.
This guy is getting off so easy.
Zeouterlimits
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A single year ban is pittance and embarrassing, should be far stronger.
Reasons for a perma ban:
- safety of players
- PR, so people can actually take the community seriously
- to at least make the players themselves feel safe and give them an environment they actually want to participate in
- not thinking sexually assaulting someone twice is a that big of a deal
Fourth Storm
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Man, this is not a good look for the community. Yes, all it takes is one mistake to fuck up your life. A lifetime ban from Smash competitions is a small price to pay for sexual assault. One year is a joke.
ScatheZombie
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Bans aren't punishment. They're given and enforced to protect everyone else. Banning a hacker isn't designed to punish the hacker; it removes them from the player pool to protect the other players from someone who is cheating.
What a 1 year ban says, is that they don't actually care about an admitted sexual predator participating in the tournament - they just want to wait a year until everyone forgets about it.
And that's really, really shitty of them.
"b-b-but he's not a bad guy!"
^^^^^^^^^^^
This is infuriating. I'm stunned at how little the higher ups in the community seem to care about this.
This is why it would be helpful if Nintendo was more involved with the scene.
Exactly these TOs need to protect their female players from a known predator and any future predators.
I probably shouldn't have replied there. I didn't know the details of what went down with that one. But it was mentioned on twitter/reddit the idea is following their guidelines on misconduct.
Now, Hyuga unfortunately isn't the only one having done terrible things in the smash community.
https://twitter.com/Smapps_/status/755030660671078400
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
He's been laying low from what I hear. Like, real low.
I can't get past this part of the story.
Did he just wake up from his own drunken stupor the next morning and missed everything entirely? Was waking DJ whatevs simply out of the question despite his GF being groped in the same bed?
The thing is, like, yeah shitty people do shitty things.
But it's bigger than that. He needs a lifetime ban or some real reap big consequences.
A statement needs to be made that this sort of action has ZERO tolerance in the FGC. To hopefully prevent anything terrible from happening again.
There shouldn't be any discussion, there should not be a 1 year ban (but only if people feel like it). Otherwise why would any female or even male feel okay when as a community it's decided that a 1 year ban slap on the wrist is okay for MOLESTING SOMEONE IN THEIR SLEEP TWICE.
Unless the kid went to counseling I wouldn't want him as a part of any tournaments or local sessions.
But it's bigger than that. He needs a lifetime ban or some real reap big consequences.
A statement needs to be made that this sort of action has ZERO tolerance in the FGC. To hopefully prevent anything terrible from happening again.
There shouldn't be any discussion, there should not be a 1 year ban (but only if people feel like it). Otherwise why would any female or even male feel okay when as a community it's decided that a 1 year ban slap on the wrist is okay for MOLESTING SOMEONE IN THEIR SLEEP TWICE.
Unless the kid went to counseling I wouldn't want him as a part of any tournaments or local sessions.
KidA Seven
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They're pretty different. Smash community doesn't really mingle with the fgc apart from dreamhack, evo, and ceo. They usually have their own smash events. Fighting game tournaments (not all of them) do run smash, but they don't largely show up like they do in their smash events.
And people before in the thread thought the community had no problems itself and it was just a "society" problem. Yeah, fuck off with that. This one-year long "recommendation" is basically no punishment at all.
What really bothers me is how rushed the statement was prepared in order to try and cool down the fire instead of just a pronunciation of discussions are being held and that they're taking this very seriously and don't want to rush anything.
It's one of the dissapointing aspect of the smash community being ran by kids.
I absolutely agree that the community should not welcome these behavior nor these individuals. But I also believe that the precedent of expulsion is not the best way to protect the community. But I prefer a positive approach towards how people can feel safe, where making an example of Hyuga isn't a hard ban but rather better measures to prevent this from happening and promote more inclusive practices so women aren't such a minority in these places. Creeps can be anywhere, and if you can have Hyuga back having learned the lesson, it's possible to have one less creep around. And that has nothing to do with time in of itself, hence why one year is not an apt measure.
The bigger problem for me with the second letter rather than explaining the authority they have over the ruling is the tone they present it with, which seems to be bending over some pushback.
As for the prison comment, I'm not in a "not screwe up his life", but more about what is the right message. No tolerance for this is just a part of what needs be done and the longevity is not important in the grand scheme of things as long as it's not understood as a slight slap in the wrist.
It's one of the dissapointing aspect of the smash community being ran by kids.
I wish and hope Vicky presses charges. I understand she's under immense pressure and scrunity of a huge number of people that would like to sweep this under the rug at best and at worst are gonna blame and harass her for it. Pressing charges extends even beyond the concern of the FGC and would probably help her cope with the situation a lot better by placing the responsability on Hyuga instead of an ethereal "why does this happen" that eats you up through the years.
I absolutely agree that the community should not welcome these behavior nor these individuals. But I also believe that the precedent of expulsion is not the best way to protect the community. But I prefer a positive approach towards how people can feel safe, where making an example of Hyuga isn't a hard ban but rather better measures to prevent this from happening and promote more inclusive practices so women aren't such a minority in these places. Creeps can be anywhere, and if you can have Hyuga back having learned the lesson, it's possible to have one less creep around. And that has nothing to do with time in of itself, hence why one year is not an apt measure.
Definately. While it didn't happen directly in EVO, it was completely associated with the event and they have the right to never open their doors to him again, but more importantly they need to have known measures to know how to deal with this situation and the community should probably learn to help tone down the partying when it comes to "kids", especially since I'd assume it's easy to spiral out of control in Vegas and due to the EVO high. Party, go out, drink, dance whatever but do it safely and since everybody knows each other everybody needs to take care of each other as possible. I'm not blaming alcohol in itself or excusing him but rather don't help promote a binge drinking or black out culture because many accidents/incidents can happen.
The bigger problem for me with the second letter rather than explaining the authority they have over the ruling is the tone they present it with, which seems to be bending over some pushback.
I don't appreciate the dismissive attitude, but yes charges should be made.
A ban isn't conducive to safety in on itself. The ban should be made, whereas it's indefinite or not is debatable but this isn't a situation to be toyed around with. But the ban needs to be just the immediate measure towards more pressing matters that needs to help avoid this type of situation, by dealing this not as a stand alone incident but a constant problem that occurs in the community and gaming as a whole.
As for the prison comment, I'm not in a "not screwe up his life", but more about what is the right message. No tolerance for this is just a part of what needs be done and the longevity is not important in the grand scheme of things as long as it's not understood as a slight slap in the wrist.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm 100% there with you. The community stop giving their back relies solely on Hyuga and what he brings not as talent for the community but as an actual member. There shouldn't be a promise of forgiveness and if member reevaluate his admittance, it's not a public hard lined imperative, but as you said because he would want to make the community better by doing his part.
The FGC is in a better place now than it was even ten years ago in regards to its treatment of women, but it's sad that this is true in spite of it still being fucking horrible. The ideal we should be striving towards is a community with an even split of demographics where everyone feels welcome and safe, but that will never be possible if we don't all adopt a zero tolerance stance on this behavior.
Easton Dark
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1 year isn't even a joke, it's insulting and tells women to expect a horrible environment. And yet they're trying to say a recommendation for it might be too harsh.
Big L for you, Smash organizers.
Big L for you, Smash organizers.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Catching up on this now, what was it that Hyuga did exactly?
ScaryShark
Banned
It's literally in the first imagine in the first post in this thread. Are you even trying?
People saying this are so ignorant. It's a recommendation because there are like 7 different groups running major smash tournaments and there is no central body. Think of it as if there were 7-10 different "EVOs". Smash is very grass roots even its major tournaments are grassroots events on their 7th year + running.
All these reactionist assholes saying ban smash from EVO need to get a clue.
he climbed into bed between a woman and her boyfriend and stuck his hands under her clothes to feel her up. after kicking him out of bed she moved and he did it again.
They didn't drop Marvel or SF for Noel pulling the same shit or Aris during the Cross Assault blow up.
Not sure why they would Smash when it brings the numbers it does.
Almost certain Hyuaga will be banned from EVO and CEO for a long long time. And Hyuaga mentioned himself (if I recall) that he won't go back to the US to compete (at all)
And in Mexico (where he lives) he's banned as well.
I think for Hyaga the above statements made don't change much for him. I doubt he'll come back anytime soon. I think, for all intents and purposes, his smash career is done. Technically he might come back, but it would be a nasty experience for everyone involved, including Hyuga which makes it less appealing to go.
However, the smash community needs to make a proper guideline that's signed by all the major TO's where punishment for misconducts and much worse are unified.
Definately. EVO needs to lead this since I don't have any trust on this being properly handled with the gravity it deserves. EVO is the pivotal player. What are their statements on the matter? I assume they are taking a hands off approach while condemning the act?
And this begs the question, would the Melee community be involved in this? Probably not but they should also be an active player in this situation.
I would love for Nintendo to take a stand for this and even threaten not allowing smash at Evo (since they did this before for all the wrong reasons). But I also won't hold this over Nintendo even if I am unsatisfied at their absolute spineless lack of trying to better the community.
Still 1 year ban is far too short and not anywhere near severe for what he tried to do. Alcohol makes you do stupid shit. Raping someone is not stupid shit, thats just some malicious and evil shit right there.
Still 1 year ban is far too short and not anywhere near severe for what he tried to do. Alcohol makes you do stupid shit. Raping someone is not stupid shit, thats just some malicious and evil shit right there.
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