FFXIII and FFVersusXIII direct feed HD realtime shots from IGN (56k stuck on SD)
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Kill Your Masters
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Looks good, but I cant really see the hype or "ZOMG NEXTGEN!!!!111".
Its one of a lot good or great looking games, but those new shots are getting released too late (for me) to say "WOW", especially after
Gears, that was in 2006
Uncharted in 2007
MGS4 in 2008
Heavy Rain media
Killzone 2 media
Gears 2 media
Star Ocean 4 media
So am I the only one who "got used to it?"
Its one of a lot good or great looking games, but those new shots are getting released too late (for me) to say "WOW", especially after
Gears, that was in 2006
Uncharted in 2007
MGS4 in 2008
Heavy Rain media
Killzone 2 media
Gears 2 media
Star Ocean 4 media
So am I the only one who "got used to it?"
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So basically, what you're trying to say is that you can't wait for video footage of an esper being summoned with CG-like graphics?Hellraizer said:
Great! Me too!
Kill Your Masters
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Seiken said:
Yeah maybe when some hd video footage comes out, but those shots cant get me into "hype mode" - technically speaking.Holy hell! Is that how star ocean looks? I never clicked on any of the threads because...well...outside of the first 1/3 of SO2...I friggin hate that series as well as the partial-birth abortion that was Radiata StoriesGreekWolf said:Er... I'm pulling hard for WKC, but what you're suggesting might be tough.
I have no doubts that we'll see major improvements in both titles before they ship.
Durante said:
While I agree that I can't see how someone can say, in all honesty, that FFXXII isn't impressive (let alone impressive for a multi format game), we are living in a post Killzone2/Crysis 'world'.
So while those shots are very impressive you have to admit that they would have blown everyone's mind two years ago.
Busty said:
WoW FFXXII isn't that game gonna be really uber?
I heard its gonna be virtual reality and we can jump into the game like in The Matrix
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We shouldn't forget that the game is far from off so it could get a lot more impressive.
And Final Fantasy is not like Killzone
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Yeah. Because of the load they'll probably do something different for the wii.Lightning said:
Metalmurphy
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I am not amused by the WKS hate in this thread 
How can you hate this: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22717.html?type= ?
How can you hate this: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22717.html?type= ?
Igo said:
Well, you won't get it, you'll have to suffer like the rest of us
Metalmurphy said:I am not amused by the WKS hate in this thread
How can you hate this: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22717.html?type= ?
This is the only, ONLY JRPG I am actually looking forward to.
Unfortunately, it has fallen prey to the "usual" hate, of which we do not speak of...
Jason's Ultimatum
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Igo said:
Yeah. Versus will also have a traditional overworld too. :O
Metalmurphy said:I am not amused by the WKS hate in this thread
How can you hate this: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22717.html?type= ?
We don't even know it looks the same anymore. For all we know they could be changing things yet again from the last time we saw it. Still hopeful though.
gregor7777
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Went to bed after page 9 or so last night, but has anyone confirmed that the first pic is the only "realtime" one?
As in, playable/what we'll actually see most of the time?
As in, playable/what we'll actually see most of the time?
gregor7777
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AmMortal said:
Clearly they're mostly cut-scenes, you can tell from the subs.
But that first pic really bothers me. I'll tell you why.
To me it's noticeable lack of fidelity in comparison with the rest of the pics makes it stand apart. It's like one of those scenes in a JRPG where you're running around a dungeon and there's something the game wants you to see so it backs the camera up a bit for a better angle.
All of the other pics you can tell are not realtime in that they're prerecorded and thus can have a lot of tricks applied that you can't do while the player has control.
The first pic is still outstanding, but it's clearly different than the rest.
Why would you think they are pre-recorded? I don't think that's the case at all.
Again, these aren't a far cry from what we saw in Devil May Cry 4. Furthermore, you can see variation in model quality between different shots. I believe all of them are running realtime in the engine.
Chances are high that the only pre-recorded video segments will be full blown CG. With a game like Uncharted or Heavenly Sword, using video is a reasonable solution as the games are fairly short. FFXIII is going to be *MUCH* longer, however, and there is simply no way they could pre-render all of these cutscenes and play them as videos. Even a 50gb Blu-ray disc wouldn't be close to enough. The fact that the game is planned for XBOX360 as well would suggest that they cannot rely on video.
I don't see what's so hard to believe about these shots.
The variation in model quality can be seen here. Notice her hair as well as the beads around her neck. The close-up shot contains more detail, which is often the norm for such situations (use higher quality models for close-ups). I'd imagine that the lower detail model is what we will see during gameplay.
gregor7777
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antiloop said:
Yeah, actually, that was the shot I was talking about.
dark10x said:
Call me a skeptic, is all. To me, one shot looks noticeably "worse" than the others, and I wonder why. The fact that it looks like a playable scene, and the other obviously aren't, furthers my skepticism.
And to my eyes, I haven't seen anything produced in realtime on either console that matches the quality of most of those pics, including the DMC one you posted a while back.
I think the problem is that the first shot shows an open area rather than focusing on a model. The other Versus XIII shots show close-ups of the character models with depth of field blurring out the background. They are all a part of the same scene.gregor7777 said:
The FFXIII shots are unrelated, however (different game). Seriously, there are enough rendering flaws present that you should be able to see that these are realtime. The fact that there exists differences between models prove this as well.
What exactly do you believe these shots represent? I mean, we know they aren't CG as we've seen the CG for XIII and it is more detailed. These can't be video sequences as games of this length would make that approach impossible due to storage limitations (HD video eats up tons of space + data storage for everything else). So, video is right out.
Kingdom Hearts? The largest problem with KH for me was the fact that each environment consisted of a series of unrelated rooms strung together by load screens with hundreds of samey respawning enemies showing up throughout. The game was very poorly designed.Kyoufu said:
Hopefully Versus XIII does not fall into such a design pitfall.
WHOAguitarninja
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Aliasing, dithering, the ever present DOF fuzzy edges bug...they're all definitely real time. The closeups are likely just like they were in FFX, models with much more geometry than the gameplay models and are used only for cutscenes. Realtime cutscenes, mind you. CG and even prerecorded footage tends to have a fundamentally different look to it that you don't see here.gregor7777 said:
I really want to see that in motion. It certainly appears realtime (look at the water splashes as well as the DOF edges around the characters), but I wonder how it will animate. Whether or not the scene is really going to be impressive depends entirely upon the motion of the water.Seiken said:
That doesn't look pre-rendered AT ALL. Seriously, pre-rendered water is still light years beyond that scene. It has a neat "painting-like" appearance in stills, though.
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dark10x said:
I believe those waters are frozen, my boy.
Opus Angelorum
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They both look impressive, but not utterly unbelievable.
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Is anyone else surprised by the lack of self shadowing? Or deep shadows period? Or are they there just realised in a different way?
badcrumble
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as long as the inside of people's mouths aren't creepily lit up, I'm not too worried about self shadowing.Revelations said:
WHOAguitarninja
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It's in, just somewhat subtle.Revelations said:
Right Shoulder(her right)
Left Shoulder (this one is obvious)
The third Versus shot does have self shadowing and I see more subtle shadowing in other shots. It's possible that it will depend on the scene. Some games have it wrong and tend to display dark shadows at all times when, in reality, scene lighting can have a dramatic impact on shadows. When walking outside on a cloudy day, for instance, you really don't cast much of a shadow on the ground or yourself.
badcrumble
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I've always thought that prerendered backgrounds could be a serious boon to some modern games. Look at how gorgeous REMake was because the only polygons they had to push were the characters and enemies. I have to imagine that the same would apply, but even moreso, in the modern generation. You could make your games goddamn GORGEOUS.Himuro said:
That said, I wouldn't want to see a Final Fantasy game in this generation go with prerendered backgrounds, since that pretty much forces you to go with random encounters on a separate screen instead of encountering enemies on the field screen. I wouldn't mind the occasional prerendered background, though - Final Fantasy X handled that very well. Dynamic camera angles can still be very nice and cinematic, but with incredible advantages during cutscenes now that we have voice acting and want to show the characters' faces.
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Himuro said:
JollyCorner was banned? For what?
badcrumble
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Sorry, I didn't mean random encounters, I mean that encounters shouldn't take place on a separate screen.Himuro said: