If everyone has the same player there is 0 unfairness. It's all about skill then (unless there are exploits ofcourse).
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If everyone has the same player there is 0 unfairness. It's all about skill then (unless there are exploits ofcourse).
The flaw in your argument is thanks to online pro, the amount of time you play is less connected to how long you play than ever before. Someone can go for 100 games and only score 2 goals and get no assists or unlock any accomplishments because he isn't good enough online.
So if someone has a monster pro they have either put the hours and practice in and earnt it or fluffed it like you.
If you want to boost fine, do you really think that's why we're giving you grief? I did some boosting/grinding for accomplishments in the last game, nothing wrong with it - but I do it on my own, I never inconvenience anyone else or BLACKMAIL other players. Those are the actions of an absolute loser.
You think you're saving time but all you're doing is robbing yourself of the experience of what this game should be, wasting your own time ticking some virtual boxes so your pro gets good enough for you to stop being shit at the game.
chancellor
Member
I hope so. But losing 27k in the auction house because Victor Valdes went missing after I won him does make me think this game has it in for me at times. EA's customer service isn't great either, its going to take me up to 10 days to get that 27k back and that's on top of the 1000 FP I'm owed.
On a good note, in the first tournament I have played I'm in the final!
Like it or not, that "dumb" design can be found in every game developed around stat progression; with investment comes reward, and if you can't build up your stats quick, then there's always the option where you can take your time. Matchmaking and more specifically, the Divisions system, were designed with this in mind so they'll always try to pair you against a similar-ranked player/club. I've been kept busy with Seasons these days (Div 5 finally!) but every now and then I'll try to join my friends for some Pro Club. And in what little Pro Club games I played, I was able to hold my own as a midfielder in my two-week old pro club against other high-rated players despite my newly developed VP, by playing conservatively.
one of my mates just created a pro and in his debut game (we're in div 5 atm) he got man of the match playing CM.
another mate played CF and got an assist and a goal in his debut.
you don't need to boost to have fun or be good at this game. But regardless of boosting and leveling up, under no circumstances is ruining the experience for other people anything less than absolutely disgusting behaviour.
Exactly... I scored a sweet header in my 2nd Pro Club match! Just like in real-life football, if you KNOW you're going up against a much better-rated player/club, then maybe it's time to switch to a different playing style. i.e. stop constantly running down the flanks with a VP whose pace you know suck balls. And besides, in Pro Clubs, any lack of individual skill can usually be made up by organised teamplay, good communication, etc
brokenbeans
Banned
27k that sucks nice chunk of money gone missing, yes ea customer service is shocking.
I think I played with this asshole the other day based on how the guy was playing. At the end, he started taking control of the keeper and always running out and eventually causing us to lose.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
I never thought I'd hear the words FIFA virtual pro and blackmail together lol
brokenbeans
Banned
I'm scared to open more packs with coins just incase I lose my luck, sticking with my 300k in the bank.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
wow just read that dudes original post.
--best players Ive gotten in packs are Nocerino and Palacio (inter).
I got the psg away kit which is sweet and you can never have enough contracts so its cool.
Ive only spent like 600 space bucks but I think Im hooked
I barely play the actual game anymore its just auctions lol
--best players Ive gotten in packs are Nocerino and Palacio (inter).
I got the psg away kit which is sweet and you can never have enough contracts so its cool.
Ive only spent like 600 space bucks but I think Im hooked
I barely play the actual game anymore its just auctions lol
how did you make so much money? buying cheap and selling on? or did you get some good players in packs and sell those? or do you just win a lot??
Awesome Animals
Member
He has had some incredible luck during pack openings.
brokenbeans
Banned
Luck thats all I can say I had a war chest of msp used that on the first day, got some good players and sold them on and built my team.
Any coins left over I would open packs and hope for the best, I have to say the packs I've opened with coins have been 10 times better than with msp.
Its strange how its works out, I'm gambling coins to make coins.
if someone was to start out with say 10,000 coins and didn't actually play the game, just wheeled and dealed on the auction house etc, would it be possible to make much profit over time? or would that be painstakingly slow and laborious?
brokenbeans
Banned
Depends how many risks you took.
Start off small turn 5k into 7k, 10k into 15k.
Pick a player on a good formation learn his average price and look for him at lower than the average. Pay attention to the 59th minute many a bargain to be had.
But make sure you know what he is worth in relation to the formation and how much a certain card costs.
Don't just chuck money at anyone.
chancellor
Member
It's definitely possible and I think you could have a nice war chest within a week or two. On Saturday I had my first attempt at "trading" and bought several rare manager cards for roughly 500c and have sold most of them on now far at least 1500c. Tripling the 5000c I spent into about 15,000c. Getting into bid wars is too much of a pain though for me to do it all the time though.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Sorry, but this made me think of the dwarf from that South Park episode.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
I just buy obscure gold players that rank in the 80s for cheap and try to sell them. Pretty much just south americans since most fifa players dont seem to watch the smaller club football leagues
EA better make FIFA14's menus and loading screen the best fucking thing ever or I wont be buying it. Such a pile of shit.
I spend more time restarting my xbox and trying to get into games than I do playing. Fuck you EA.
Or maybe charge half price for a game that only maybe works half the time. Surprised they havent started charging extra for the damn online codes that come with the game.
I spend more time restarting my xbox and trying to get into games than I do playing. Fuck you EA.
Or maybe charge half price for a game that only maybe works half the time. Surprised they havent started charging extra for the damn online codes that come with the game.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
You havent played Pro Evo have you? Just finding out how to turn off player names appearing under the guy on the field took us 15-20 minutes. EA are geniuses compared to them.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
What do you guys think of this team? Should I be adding anyone else? Obviously I wish I had Robben and Ribery to complete it fully.
Tragicomedy
Member
I am totally rocking the 4-2-2-2 setup, mainly because I'm piecing together an all-Argentina squad and they have some exceptional CAM and CDM options. I really like it so far. With the exception of not having Kun Agüero (lol!) and Lionel Messi (double lol!) on my squad, I feel pretty solid. My next purchase is going to be Mascherano since he can be acquired for ~25K or so.
Here is my current squad:
Biceleste.
The all-Argentina squad feels great together. A bit weak on the GK and RB options, with Romero and Zabaleta being the best available at 77 and 79 ratings, respectively. Still, I play 95% offline mode and am mainly doing this for collecting/fun purposes. Unless I had Messi, I don't see myself competing well against a team as stacked as MiDNiGHTS' above, for instance.
You're always better off going with players from the same league (EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, etc.) over a national based team, right? I figure you'd have more options at higher overall ratings.
Just bought it today, I rarely play online because I'm horribly shit at this, but let's see if they butchered the Manager Mode this time.
So far, I haven't been able to find the Virtual Pro for Manager Mode and while I appreciate that Kempes and Palomo are the new commentary team, the list of call names they recorded for the players is ridiculously short.
So far, I haven't been able to find the Virtual Pro for Manager Mode and while I appreciate that Kempes and Palomo are the new commentary team, the list of call names they recorded for the players is ridiculously short.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
Whoa they use Kempes? Dont like palomo but Ill check it out.
UT down again. Fuck you EA
IllumiNate
Member
I amassed a small fortune of xbl points last year during a half price sale and there kinda burning a hole in my pocket. I already opened 4600 FIFA points worth of packs and am now considering getting another stack. Is there something wrong with me? I'm sitting on 130k coins but I want to build a nice mixed Manchester team with Van Persie, Bolotelli, and Rooney.. haha
brokenbeans
Banned
Yeah its an addiction.
An expensive one at that, I'd say the best thing for you is allow yourself a certain amount a month and stick to it give yourself something to look forward too.
Personally I started with 5,000 msp and since then haven't used anymore apart from some my gf gave me.
Question is are you getting lucky in these packs, I know people who spend a fortune and don't get shit.
Yup, but they recorded only a few voices, kind of a disappointment really.
Glad to see it wasn't just me, I couldn't check that out nor play online games. Which by the way, I got my first win against Liverpool.
I'm a Man U supporter but sadly, I'm a better player with Arsenal, dat Oxlade-Chamberlain.brokenbeans
Banned
300k coins is burning a virtual hole in my fifa wallet.
Think I'm gonna try turn it into 500k, invest in IF's or play the markets?
Think I'm gonna try turn it into 500k, invest in IF's or play the markets?
I'm forming up Argentinian squad as well. Playing 4-2-3-1 since it's my most comfortable formation so far. Apart from GK and RB, it's also very lacking at CF as well. But Argentinian squad has one big problem with CB lacking pace. Facing against a speedster side and we are seeing some problem at counter attack. How do you fare against that? Wondering if Samuel helps or should be looking to pair one pacey and one strong CB together.
Awesome Animals
Member
I'd play the market. I'm about to build a cheap Brazilian squad (I know, original) since I got Jadson and Carlos Eduardo in packs, which is a nice jumping off point. Most of these guys are pretty cheap, and if I had access to the Web App I'd probably already have the damn team built. Then, minus some tweaking to both gold teams here, or there, I'm going to start just amassing coins.
Hugo Campagnaro - 81 OVR, 72 pace, 85 Int
Javier Mascherano - 86 OVR, 68 pace, 94 Int
Nicolas Pareja - 77 OVR, 70 pace, 76 Int
For Centerbacks, look at the interception stat if you think they are a bit slow. While they lack in pace, they will still dominate by intercepting anything that goes by them.
Are you for real?
You evidently do feel entitled to an instant pro, because you're moaning that you're not allowed to have one, and subsequently making the game hell for anyone who has to play with or against you, just because you can't have what you want instantly.
Er, yes it is. They have invested time in the game, playing properly, and fairly. Why shouldn't they be rewarded? If you can't or won't invest the time, it's just tough luck. I can't invest the time either - I've hardly had chance to play FIFA online outside of a couple of seasons games - therefore, my pro is rubbish. This is expected. I haven't invested time into the game, therefore I don't get the rewards. Simple.
No, it really isn't. It's not fair at all on anyone that has to be in the same online game as you and suffer a miserable experience because you'd rather not play properly and instead act like an entitled idiot and threaten to quit should they not bow to your requests of not playing the game properly so you can improve your pro without putting the time in. What's "fair" is actually playing the game properly, as it was intended, like most other people want to when they go online. I'm thankful I don't play FIFA online much because I don't have to encounter people like you. I can only feel sorry for the people who've had to play with or against you.
While you guys were still raging on me for trying to give you tips , I went up another 10% within 4 games. Sweet. I have no problem with people owning me by using skill, but not by having their monster VP stomp my VP under the mat just because they could play the game for longer. So yes, what I do is fair, because it's the only way to level the playing field. I'm hardly moaning, I'm more trying to defend my way of playing the game.
If the game design allowed you to pay for a 200% 9ft VP for 200 bucks, you would deem that fair because people who bought that VP invested money into it? That's a clear 'pay to win' scenario. Except in this case it's not pay to win but play all day to win.
Games are about fun, I don't find leveling a VP fun or playing with an unfair advantage, so I do what it takes to make my game fun. It's not like playing a single game with me would ruin your whole FIFA experience, whilst me having a shit VP ruins my whole FIFA experience.
PS: I'm not blackmailing anyone, they can just quit out and no harm done. stop overreacting.
If the game design allowed you to pay for a 200% 9ft VP for 200 bucks, you would deem that fair because people who bought that VP invested money into it? That's a clear 'pay to win' scenario. Except in this case it's not pay to win but play all day to win.
Games are about fun, I don't find leveling a VP fun or playing with an unfair advantage, so I do what it takes to make my game fun. It's not like playing a single game with me would ruin your whole FIFA experience, whilst me having a shit VP ruins my whole FIFA experience.
PS: I'm not blackmailing anyone, they can just quit out and no harm done. stop overreacting.
Fixed. Your entire argument would be hilarious if it wasn't so childish. It boils down to "I won't have people gaining an advantage because they put time and effort into the game! How dare they! Give me equal footing now!!"
You're acting like "they can just quit out and no harm done" is you doing them some sort of favour. There is harm done, they went in expecting a proper match and instead got some entitled person with no intention of playing the game properly threatening to quit on them unless they aided his non-playing or quit themselves. So they quit, thereby having to waste time looking for a decent opponent who wants to play the game normally.
Nice way of totally twisting what I said. You didn't respond to my comparison with pay to win. If people invest lots of money into the game to get an advantage, that would be fine by you right?
No, it wouldn't. Pay to unlock should be confined to single player modes. That's irrelevant, as it isn't an option anyway. The way you're supposed to build up your skills is playing properly and investing time, not selfishly impacting the game experience for everyone else because you can't be bothered.
Most people will play this game all year and never get a goal from 30 yards or a volley from outside the box, nevermind the stacks on top of those like volley with weaker foot from outside the box.
I have 1 weak foot volley from outside the box that I am massively proud of, it may never happen again and it felt awesome when I got it.
My experience > your experience.
Plus anyone who plays with me finds their experience enhanced because I play the game like a real game of football, I play to my pro's strengths and weaknesses and I adapt as he grows over time. I bring other people into the game and I don't let my side down - above all I like to WIN.
You're more than happy to waste your time grinding numbers and ruining the game for others. I know who's having more fun out of the two of us as well as those exposed to us.
Awesome Animals
Member
It's very relevant as it directly compares to this situation. Money in pay to win = Time in FIFA 13 VP leveling.
It doesn't compare at all. You cannot pay to have a full-rated Pro. Therefore it's irrelevant in this situation because it's currently impossible.
If we are to expand your logic above, then if I didn't have much money and said "I should get this for free! I don't have much money, give me this expensive TV and sound system for free!" - that's okay is it? No, clearly not. But it's what you're effectively saying.
A fully-levelled Pro is a luxury, just like the top-of-the-range TV would be a luxury. Luxuries have to be worked for. The people who have invested time into their Pro to level them have worked for it, just as people who saved each week/month until they could afford the top-of-the-range TV had worked for their reward.
"I want it for free!" just doesn't work.
iFootball
Member
Meanwhile, last night I played 4 games with my 77 Level VP (FIFA did it's 'best' to match me against my level and rank... sometimes it works I guess), my teams lost all 4 games, but using my actual skills I managed to complete enough number of successful passes and a goal to actually earn a +1 increase!... very rewarding and overall a good experience.
So I'm just guessing you're not a good bad FIFA player =(.. it would take you to long to properly level-up... so you cheat to overcome your limitations... So I suggest we settle the matter the manly way and challenge you to some online games =D...
360 right ?
..It's all cool man, you're just the type of player some of us like to avoid
No it doesn't allow pay to win in this game, but it forces a time to win scenario like I said. I hate pay to win as much as any normal person. I hate this as much. I hate the battlefield unlock shit too. I remember coming into the game only to get destroyed by people with weapons that nuked me into orbit so to speak. EA even saw this and added flares for everyone in air vehicles, because people just starting out were shot down in a matter of seconds. That's another game with the exact same time to win mechanics. Now they even introduced pay to win there so it's only a matter of time they do it to FIFA clubs (virtual pro) too. They've already been doing it with the FUT stuff (see buying gold packs).
I hate it all and am abusing my way around it as much as I can and will forever continue to do this as long as I play games that contain shit like this.
Simple question: why not have the option to level the VP up or just have the full vp right away? People like you guys who seem to love doing these things can continue doing it and people like me who detest them can play the way they want? Honestly I want to see what people have to say about that. I see no disadvantages on having the best of both worlds right there. Because if you think I'm a single person in a small crowd of people trying to level their VP this way, you're totally wrong.
Awesome Animals
Member
You must HATE RPGs.
From almost the start of videogames there have been unlockables for doing certain things in the game, which involve time. New modes or cheats for completing the game, a reward for finding all of the collectibles, and so on. Do you hate those too? Do you just want the game to pop up a box when you first insert the disc "Congratulations and thanks for buying our game! Here's all your rewards we would have hidden to give players a challenge and something to work towards, but instead we decided to give you them all up front so you don't have to invest any time in unlocking things!". Because I wouldn't. Rewards should be given for accomplishing something.