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[ShinMaruku]

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

It's how I opperate, sometimes it allows you to see some things differently.

 

[call_kotaku]

This is obnoxious



There is no reason to force people to have to scroll down the equivalent of 4 or 5 post just for 1 big pointless picture when you could have just typed. I call kasumi that

fixing it is up to shouta now, as far as I know. Shin isn't about that quote or spoiler life, much less that sfw posting life

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

Nothing wrong with that, most people who do it recommend it. The problem for me is sticking to games, I love the first month of a new fighting game but I don't stick to almost all of them.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

Don't like it. If I play a fighter I go in hard. Real obsessed, very competitive. High expectations. If I'm playing a game at a high level I do not have fun playing other games at a lower level, it's not stimulating or rewarding.

 

[Numb]

Sticking to them is the hard part. Harder when you want to move on to a newer one too if you play multiple.
Playing only one game 100% of the time seems weird most of the time. Unless pro.

 

[jerry1594]

Ok what's your name?

lylee (two e)

 

[Doomshine]

Misty? Chinfu?

Who else has advanced movement options.

Untranslated, long novelists are dumb.

In 3d fighters people usually just refer to moves by their notation and not their names.

Yeah, the "let's just list a bunch of combos as a movelist" thing is exactly one of the main reasons I prefer 2d fighters.

What do you mean by combos? Some games list a few example combos at the end, but everything else is just moves. Some games list every part of a string as a separate move which is a little excessive maybe, but you could make the argument that they are separate moves.

 

[Professor Beef]

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

Not difficult, but that varies from person to person. Most I've done is three (various combinations of SF4, Marvel, Smash, MKX, Injustice), but I've never understood why people couldn't do it.

 

[Karsticles]

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

I play lots of fighters at once. Anything I can get my hands on.

In 3d fighters people usually just refer to moves by their notation and not their names.



What do you mean by combos? Some games list a few example combos at the end, but everything else is just moves. Some games list every part of a string as a separate move which is a little excessive maybe, but you could make the argument that they are separate moves.

Yeah, but that doesn't help me when going through a movelist.

It's asinine to list every "normal" move a character has. Only special characteristics should be featured.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

What do you mean by combos? Some games list a few example combos at the end, but everything else is just moves. Some games list every part of a string as a separate move which is a little excessive maybe, but you could make the argument that they are separate moves.

I tried out DOALR the other day and went to move list and the move list was nothing but combos. P P P K;etc

 

[Numb]

Those are chains or strings.They are alot of them in 3D fighters. Close thing to them is target combos i think.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I tried out DOALR the other day and went to move list and the move list was nothing but combos. P P P K;etc

Combos are a chain of moves like for example you have 236 T then 4p 6ppk P+K, T, Now that's one combo. Another combo would be 6P 4K P+K, K P+K, T. And so on and so forth.

You cannot think of them in terms like 2D games. completely different.

 

[Tornix]

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

It's what I do although not as much nowadays because of lack of time to play. Fortunately Arcsys games have similarities between them.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I think stimulaitng different area's of the brain to open up all other avenues. Also you seen how sf4 warped some people's thinking.

 

[Tripon]

Don't see why people can't play multiple Fighters.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Don't see why people can't play multiple Fighters.

My thought is they have the sunk cost fallacy where they don't want to 'waste' time in trying something else.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Don't see why people can't play multiple Fighters.

Some people think you should dedicate your fighting game time to only one game.

 

[Karsticles]

Some people think you should dedicate your fighting game time to only one game.

Want to play a little BlazBlue?

 

[Tornix]

My thought is they have the sunk cost fallacy where they don't want to 'waste' time in trying something else.

I can see that with some of my locals. They play USF4 and every time a new game drops they'll be on it for a couple weeks then go right back.

 

[Tripon]

My thought is they have the sunk cost fallacy where they don't want to 'waste' time in trying something else.

Eh, that should only matter when you are serious enough to attend tournaments and placing high. But like, maybe 0.1% of us are at that level.

Even then, there should be nothing stopping you to casually pick up a game and play. You should try out different games in a genre, its like telling a person they shouldn't try Witcher 3 just because they love the Fallout series so much.

 

[Doomshine]

I play lots of fighters at once. Anything I can get my hands on.


Yeah, but that doesn't help me when going through a movelist.

It's asinine to list every "normal" move a character has. Only special characteristics should be featured.

Well that's the problem, you can't really call them normals or special moves. In a sense, they are both.

I tried out DOALR the other day and went to move list and the move list was nothing but combos. P P P K;etc

Those are strings, not combos.

I'm going to use Tekken as an example here: there are natural combos (NC) and natural counterhit combos (NCC). For example, Law has this 3 hit string b+1,2,1. The first two hits are NC which means that if the first one connects the second is guaranteed no matter what. The entire string however is NCC, which means that if the first hit is a counterhit then all 3 are guaranteed.

 

[Kalamari]

Playing multiple games requires some serious commitment, especially if you want to be competitive. But if you have the opportunity (and time/money), play as many as you like, your learning will transfer over to other games.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I can see that with some of my locals. They play USF4 and every time a new game drops they'll be on it for a couple weeks then go right back.

Eh, that should only matter when you are serious enough to attend tournaments and placing high. But like, maybe 0.1% of us are at that level.

Even then, there should be nothing stopping you to casually pick up a game and play. You should try out different games in a genre, its like telling a person they shouldn't try Witcher 3 just because they love the Fallout series so much.

This is why it's the sunk cost fallacy, it really makes no sense, but most humans are not logical actors.

 

[Karsticles]

Well that's the problem, you can't really call them normals or special moves. In a sense, they are both.



Those are strings, not combos.

I'm going to use Tekken as an example here: there are natural combos (NC) and natural counterhit combos (NCC). For example, Law has this 3 hit string b+1,2,1. The first two hits are NC which means that if the first one connects the second is guaranteed no matter what. The entire string however is NCC, which means that if the first hit is a counterhit then all 3 are guaranteed.

There are moves that define a character, and moves that everyone has. Everyone has an "A" button that's a punch. You don't need to list that in the same branch as a 9A that causes the character to warp forward. If you don't see this as a problem, it's probably a problem with you, because for those who haven't been playing 3D fighters for generations, it sucks.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Want to play a little BlazBlue?

Still studying characters. I shouldn't play for a while. But sure just a few games.

 

[Karsticles]

Still studying characters. I shouldn't play for a while. But sure just a few games.

I am pretty basic in my play - you won't get overwhelmed by me.

Edit: Invitation sent.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I play fighting games to compete. Playing them at a high level is the most fun I have in the genre. My expectation is to play at level high enough to place at a major tournament. Anything less isn't acceptable. Playing a game casually isn't fun and takes time and resources away from my main game. I think this is rational.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

I play fighting games to compete. Playing them at a high level is the most fun I have in the genre. My expectation is to play at level high enough to place at a major tournament. Anything less isn't acceptable. Playing a game casually isn't fun and takes time and resources away from my main game. I think this is rational.

I understand this completely.

 

[Karsticles]

I play fighting games to compete. Playing them at a high level is the most fun I have in the genre. My expectation is to play at level high enough to place at a major tournament. Anything less isn't acceptable. Playing a game casually isn't fun and takes time and resources away from my main game. I think this is rational.

Totally rational, man. You're a high-level competitor, so you have different standards from me.

 

[Lostconfused]

I am still not sure why people are trying to interpret DOA through a Street Fighter filter.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I will try out new stuff when it first comes out though. I will definitely buy SF V and Tekken 7 this year. However once I get past the early level of play and a real investment is required to move forward I am done.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I am still not sure why people are trying to interpret DOA through a Street Fighter filter.

Exactly why I laughed at people thinking that soft ban was going to work to get more recognition. Just won't happen.

It won't happen.

It is also why I struggle in sf, I don't have that as a filter. but trying to build a vocaubulary, but I know it's very difficult for some to see it where I am and that is fine.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

There are moves that define a character, and moves that everyone has. Everyone has an "A" button that's a punch. You don't need to list that in the same branch as a 9A that causes the character to warp forward. If you don't see this as a problem, it's probably a problem with you, because for those who haven't been playing 3D fighters for generations, it sucks.

Well they have different frame data. IDK which 3D games have in game frame data but ours do.

 

[Karsticles]

Block on wakeup.

Well they have different frame data. IDK which 3D games have in game frame data but ours do.

How is that relevant?

Do you consider MKX to be a "3D" game?

 

[Dahbomb]

I play lots of fighters at once. Anything I can get my hands on.


Yeah, but that doesn't help me when going through a movelist.

It's asinine to list every "normal" move a character has. Only special characteristics should be featured.

There's no distinction between normals and specials in a 3D game.

Universal moves are not listed so someone's d+2 isn't listed unless it's something different from everyone else.

Also I am pretty sure for a lot of characters just regular 1 or 2 isn't listed. Like for Devil Jin you will probably start the list with 1,1,2.

The 3D games basically have a lot of command normals and target combos.

 

[Karsticles]

There's no distinction between normals and specials in a 3D game.

Universal moves are not listed so someone's d+2 isn't listed unless it's something different from everyone else.

Also I am pretty sure for a lot of characters just regular 1 or 2 isn't listed. Like for Devil Jin you will probably start the list with 1,1,2.

The 3D games basically have a lot of command normals and target combos.

Right, and I'm saying this is bad.

Edit: Actually ,doesn't SC?

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Block on wakeup.


How is that relevant?

Do you consider MKX to be a "3D" game?

I would call it a hybrid. The moves have a lot of the function of a 3D fighter but it's on a 2D plane with 2D style special moves. My point is because our normal attacks and strings are like a 3D fighting game we do our move lists like a 3D fighting game, meaning every it's a big list of strings. It makes sense because we have frame data so you would want the frame data for each part of the string.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

DOA 5 has in game frame data too. I don't remember if SC V did.

 

[Karsticles]

I would call it a hybrid. The moves have a lot of the function of a 3D fighter but it's on a 2D plane with 2D style special moves. My point is because our normal attacks and strings are like a 3D fighting game we do our move lists like a 3D fighting game, meaning every it's a big list of strings. It makes sense because we have frame data so you would want the frame data for each part of the string.

BUT, in MKX, you have tabs for the different moves. That's all I want. Notable moves separated from normal ones.

I actually really like MKX's movelist system.

 

[QisTopTier]

I am pretty basic in my play - you won't get overwhelmed by me.

Edit: Invitation sent.

Invite me so I can watch

Spoiler

Then play when she's done

 

[Dahbomb]

Right, and I'm saying this is bad.

Edit: Actually ,doesn't SC?

For there to be a distinction there needs to be a distinct mechanical difference between the two. In 2D games normals cancel into specials and specials into supers (in the broad sense). There's no equivalent to that in 3D games.

SC has supers.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Right, and I'm saying this is bad.

Edit: Actually ,doesn't SC?

In some of these games different moves have different effects, you have weight class you have different angles of attacks. Some moves do critical some don't some have different critical values.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

BUT, in MKX, you have tabs for the different moves. That's all I want. Notable moves separated from normal ones.

I actually really like MKX's movelist system.

True but that's because we have special moves.

We also don't have a million moves like traditional 3D fighters. More like 6 or so strings per character.

 

[Karsticles]

If Hakumen has more than 4 lit orbs, he can throw that laser sword projectile.

For there to be a distinction there needs to be a distinct mechanical difference between the two. In 2D games normals cancel into specials and specials into supers (in the broad sense). There's no equivalent to that in 3D games.

SC has supers.

What's the mechanical difference between normals and specials in MKX?

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

I want to be competitive so maybe I should stick to one game.

 

[Dahbomb]

If Hakumen has more than 4 lit orbs, he can throw that laser sword projectile.


What's the mechanical difference between normals and specials in MKX?

I don't know I don't play MKX.

 

[QisTopTier]

I want to be competitive so maybe I should stick to one game.

I juggle a ton.

It's healthy for learning. Stuff in one game that is dominate in one game that might not be common in another will help you vs it. It helps you get a better understanding of how characters can work as well and their gameplans

 

[Professor Beef]

I want to be competitive so maybe I should stick to one game.

Worry about getting good first before competitive.

 

[Line_HTX]

Thoughts on playing multiple fighters? Attention is divided between SFIV and BBCPEX.

I can handle between Tekken and BB/P4 just fine now. Took a while to get my mind to switch, but it was a worthy learning challenge.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

In MKX special moves can be canceled into it from a normal attack or combo. You also build meter from using them and they have other special properties like projectiles cannot be broken.

 

[Karsticles]

Osu, some normals dont cancel into specials.
Some normals cancel into other normals. ;-)

I don't know I don't play MKX.

I don't think there is one.

If it helps, think of the separation as being between "typical" moves and "noteworthy" moves, instead of "normal" and "special".