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Anne

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BakedYams said:
we dont need another count pls, also wat fighting games should i pick up anne? or are you fully retired from the anime fgc?
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I mean playing stuff and asking questions is pretty good.

I don't really fuck with the FGC at large any more cause it gets depressing as shit really fast, but I still play games and go to my arcade, Play whatever looks good to you, lots of stuff out right now that's pretty fun.
 
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BakedYams

Slayer of Combofiends
Astarte said:
Now that I can finally play people online I'm putting work into Xrd
There are only two polar opposites on the PC version from what I can see; people who are completely new to fighting games and people will oki doki me until I implode.
I'm not even mad at losing because I don't even know what the hell is going on half the time.
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get on ps4 scrub so i can face you, gonna wait for revelator so i can jump in.

Anne said:
I mean playing stuff and asking questions is pretty good.

I don't really fuck with the FGC at large any more cause it gets depressing as shit really fast, but I still play games and go to my arcade, Play whatever looks good to you, lots of stuff out right now that's pretty fun.
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I feel the same way, this year of traveling has shown me a lot and I'm not liking the FGC, too many assholes that deserve to get decked in the face. There are really nice players but the rest can go burn down with their elitism and two faced attitudes.
 
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Anne

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BakedYams said:
I feel the same way, this year of traveling has shown me a lot and I'm not liking the FGC, too many assholes that deserve to get decked in the face. There are really nice players but the rest can go burn down with their elitism and two faced attitudes.
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It's not that bad I think. Just my life is going really well for once, and I don't need to really bother with the anime FGC types that are honestly just fucking miserable to even look at. Lots of cool people but it's not worth dealing with nonsense just to hang around. Plus now that I'm like moving on with life it's hard to find people in fighting games I can talk to about school and future career stuff lol
 
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ShinMaruku

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Karsticles said:
Why would you be able to see great play in a mediocre player, but not in an excellent player?
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If you don't know where to start where would the top of the top player teach you anything from just watching?

For example say a beginner is watching a match in say DOA since that's where I can demonstrate this clearly, where a Phase 4 gets a knock down or a knock back into a wall and she is sidestepping as the person rises up, she is doing the side step to reset the camera where if the person wakes up with a strike or a hold, the camera has reset and Phase 4 is now standing to either the side or their rear and thus has had a kind of cross up that the other player just got in by quick rising or striking or holding.

Where would a beginner get good information about that?
 
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BakedYams

Slayer of Combofiends
Anne said:
It's not that bad I think. Just my life is going really well for once, and I don't need to really bother with the anime FGC types that are honestly just fucking miserable to even look at. Lots of cool people but it's not worth dealing with nonsense just to hang around. Plus now that I'm like moving on with life it's hard to find people in fighting games I can talk to about school and future career stuff lol
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Same shoes as you, got my final this coming friday ;-;

FGC certainly has helped me out a lot in being happier and talk to folks but it just feels so insular. I understand its something important to the community as a whole but the fact that I see this all the time... I even have dealt with TO's who don't even know what the fuck they're doing and are shady as hell. Its gonna stay this small and cramped until they decide to take their head out of their asses. Ah, I need to calm down lol, anger issues -_-
 
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Karsticles

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ShinMaruku said:
If you don't know where to start where would the top of the top player teach you anything from just watching?

For example say a beginner is watching a match in say DOA since that's where I can demonstrate this clearly, where a Phase 4 gets a knock down or a knock back into a wall and she is sidestepping as the person rises up, she is doing the side step to reset the camera where if the person wakes up with a strike or a hold, the camera has reset and Phase 4 is now standing to either the side or their rear and thus has had a kind of cross up that the other player just got in by quick rising or striking or holding.

Where would a beginner get good information about that?
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Maybe a beginner wouldn't, but my point is that if you can recognize good play from one player, you should be able to recognize that same good play from another player, regardless of player quality. The better player offers what the lower player does, plus more.
 
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Marz

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Karsticles said:
The better player offers what the lower player does, plus more.
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Dont agree. Thats not always the case.

Bonchan is a better Sagat than SuperSantarouman, but there are some intracacies and aspects of his Sagat that are better or different enough from Bonchan that its worth watching both players.
 
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Tizoc

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Some more KoF goodness today
CammyTahra.jpg
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1 Hour of KoF 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BaAksR9mXk

90 mins. of KoF 02 UM matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6RICjQ_0q0

90 mins. of KoF 02 matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWw0-DzACDk

1 Hour of KoF XI matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4zOdg_w9fM

3+ Hours of Guilty Gear Xrd R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXdDztaJfSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0GRtTJKGiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWTeeLbwj84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbGM20EOPYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCmTzxl5gjo

2+ Hour of Street Fighter Zero/Alpha 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzKrguuNkQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTqVMz5-HwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cOoTyu7qbY

4+ Hours of Melty Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jytpYhGzxvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLEeHv-58HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzY9ZeDkoK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVKw2H4VDBU

Street Fighter III 3S matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtHJpVazagE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WinQAZ0ByS0


90 mins. of Under Night InBirth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyTPFtRF0Vw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijdwARBgzA
 
ShinMaruku

ShinMaruku

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Without doubt the great player would offer more, to learn from but if you do not have the information on why they do X or Y option where as the lesser player who is closer in skill can put in situations to where somebody can see where a move would work and can gain some insight.

Perhaps I am not being clear on I am not saying that you can't learn froma player who is profoundly better than you, but from playing and watching people closer to your skill you can more easily warm up to the concepts and if you can progress up the chain eventually your vocabulary is good enough that watching the top of the top players can give you the insight.

I mean I can watch Ai Ai and see some of his tech, but if I have crap footsies, can't convert off a hit what good would that do me?
 
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Tripon

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Both sides of this debate are really talking about the same thing. Ultimately, it is up to student or learner to understand what he is comfortable with and seek resources that he or she can apply to that situation. It is a bit different with direct instruction because then the teacher can adjust his instructions when needed.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development
Shinmarku and others just disagree where the ZPD of new players are.

But that is where stuff like chunking and scaffolding information comes into play.
 
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Astarte

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BakedYams said:
get on ps4 scrub so i can face you, gonna wait for revelator so i can jump in.



I feel the same way, this year of traveling has shown me a lot and I'm not liking the FGC, too many assholes that deserve to get decked in the face. There are really nice players but the rest can go burn down with their elitism and two faced attitudes.
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I'll think about it :Y

I also didn't have a good time with my locals, really. Everyone was being a smug fuck and I hated it. They weren't even being sarcastic either.
Tho tbh I met some really really nice people = v=
 
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BakedYams

Slayer of Combofiends
Anne said:
Good luck! I just finished mine. My next semester I'll be off from my EDU major stuff and doing lots of testing on the side to get ready for residency/student teaching stuff. Scary ;;
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Ahhhh, I just want to do good and get into the master's program lol, next semester i hope im doing more work related internships and learning even more languages besides java c++ and html

mbpm1 said:
I haven't played dat roo in a while so maybe

Also I resent that claim, those aren't gimmicks, those are guesses :p
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the power of nothingness will always triumph

Astarte said:
I'll think about it :Y

I also didn't have a good time with my locals, really. Everyone was being a smug fuck and I hated it. They weren't even being sarcastic either.
Tho tbh I met some really really nice people = v=
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I started the local at my school with my friends so its always a nice atmosphere, we monitor marvel sf bb and guilty gear, making sure our spot remains as friendly as possible. Although with other folks like smash players, there are a couple people who just deserve to get kicked out.
 
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Karsticles

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Marz said:
Dont agree. Thats not always the case.

Bonchan is a better Sagat than SuperSantarouman, but there are some intracacies and aspects of his Sagat that are better or different enough from Bonchan that its worth watching both players.
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I never said it wouldn't be worthwhile to watch both. But Shin is saying a low level player should only watch SuperSantarouman, and not Bonchan.
 
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Zissou

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I think you should generally watch the highest level play possible, but you can learn from watching non-top level play also, and some things you might only learn of lower levels of play.

Example: I watch a decent Doom fighting a Rocket Raccoon player. The Doom is too keen on preemtively mashing cr.L in expectation of L or M teleport. The Raccoon player punishes this with fwd.H because its hitbox beats out a rapid fire crouch light's like Doom's. I might not learn this watching a better Doom who already understood that mashing cr.L in range of Raccoon fwd.H was dangerous and would thus avoid doing so in the first place.
 
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ShinMaruku

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Tripon said:
Both sides of this debate are really talking about the same thing. Ultimately, it is up to student or learner to understand what he is comfortable with and seek resources that he or she can apply to that situation. It is a bit different with direct instruction because then the teacher can adjust his instructions when needed.

440px-Zone_of_proximal_development.svg.png

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_proximal_development
Shinmarku and others just disagree where the ZPD of new players are.

But that is where stuff like chunking and scaffolding information comes into play.
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Finally somebody has understanding what I am trying to put forth. Chunking an scaffolding information would be easier to do with somebody who is closer to your level to stave off information overload.
Karsticles said:
I never said it wouldn't be worthwhile to watch both. But Shin is saying a low level player should only watch SuperSantarouman, and not Bonchan.
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What I am saying is a low level player should look at a Sagat considerably closer to his level so what is done is easier to absorb until they can rank up to watching both would be useful. A Sagat at my level should watch neither because they would lack the vocabulary to make sense of what those guys are doing.
The post above also points to what I am talking about. Perhaps soon I will be able to put forth my thoughts better. This discussion is very good.
 
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KidA Seven

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Horseress said:
Anymore important SFIV tourneys till February?
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There's an arcade 3v3 and 5v5 tournament on the 19th and 20th. So that will be on the evening of 18th and 19th for us here in the states. 95 teams have signed up so that's 475 players. Some teams:

3v3 (which you had to qualify for)
1. Ebi, Juso, Enoki
2. Reiketsu, Y., Nishikin
3. Potherman, YHC Mochi, Coma
4. Aqua, Zangitan, Yossan
5. Zaregoto, Sekiganryu, Oitajin
6. Aiai, Oppoi, Gonzalez
7. MDR, Pamyu, Gachikun
8. Hagejin, Kitasenju Dj, Shinto
9 Storm Kubo, Dashio, YOUTH-K
+ 7 other teams

5v5
1. Nemo, Kazu, Misse, Nyanshi, YHC Mochi
2. Kichiken, Santarou, Dashio, Shiro, -R-
3. Itazan, Machabo, Kyabetsu, Haitani, Shungoku Neurosis
4. Kindevu, Eita, MOV, Pontherman, Gonzalez
5. Zeregoto, Pugera, Dunhill, Sekiganryu, Oitajin
6. Inaba, Kai (sakura), Jeppa, FuriKuri rufus, Tomuson
7. Ikego, PE, Darui, Zangitan, Yossan
8. Kyoku, Nekojita, Tonpy, Inco, Nishikin

Other notables scattered in different teams: Aiai, Fuudo, Poongko, Reiketsu, Akimo, Meimomo, Coma, Gachikun, Juso, Hameo, Kenzo, AC Revenger, MDR, Hagejin, Anton, Okkun, Matsuri, Kojiro, Haneyama, Jinetta, Kawaguchi, Y。, Kitasenju DJ, Muscle Kingdom, Choco,

http://www.twitch.tv/kagecchi
http://www.twitch.tv/kagecchi79
 
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KidA Seven

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Sayad said:
Re-posting this MLG moment from last night here:
http://webmshare.com/play/r66RJ

Machabo plays SFIV?!!
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He was playing Fei back in AE. Really strong player. He was even a regular on Topanga TV as Mago's student. He was already an expert, but Mago was giving him advice on very specific matchups. As far as I know, he switched to Evil Ryu for a bit, but is back to Fei Long. Snake eyez played several long sets against his Fei as Evil Ryu. That is the reason why I think he did well against Gackt's Fei at Capcom Cup.
 
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Gipsy Danger

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Don't know if it's been posted but Vice did an article on UK C.Viper/Seth player Problem X. It's a decent read although a couple of mistakes here and there. Ben basically talks about the problems with the UK scene and he couldn't be more spot on. Hopefully next year will see a big surge in the UK scene, I know I'm intending to travel a lot more and will hopefully make it to Euro majors and even a US one if possible.

Article here
 
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grimmiq

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So my friend with 500+ hours in SF4 asked if I wanted some training in endless mode then proceeded to beat my ass with about 8 different characters (I think he gave me a round here and there out of pity). Haven't touched an arcade stick in probably 15 years, was very weird and uncomfortable, probably will be for another couple dozen hours.
 
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Gipsy Danger

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grimmiq said:
So my friend with 500+ hours in SF4 asked if I wanted some training in endless mode then proceeded to beat my ass with about 8 different characters (I think he gave me a round here and there out of pity). Haven't touched an arcade stick in probably 15 years, was very weird and uncomfortable, probably will be for another couple dozen hours.
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Keep at it. Sometimes you need to get beat down to truly learn. Make sure you ask questions and look for advice all around. People are usually more than happy to teach you and give you some games if you're looking for them.
 
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grimmiq

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Gipsy Danger said:
Keep at it. Sometimes you need to get beat down to truly learn. Make sure you ask questions and look for advice all around. People are usually more than happy to teach you and give you some games if you're looking for them.
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Basically I learnt that I was overestimating throw reach, I'm not a fan of charge attacks (atleast not yet), and that I need a lot more time using stick, kept having to look at my hands.

Hit a handful of anti-airs which I think may have been the only thing I succeeded at, baby steps. Landed half a target combo (Chun Li Jumping HP,HP, Back MK, MK) but screwed up the ending repeatedly. But hell, I've used my stick for a total of 2 hours.
 
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Gipsy Danger

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grimmiq said:
Basically I learnt that I was overestimating throw reach, I'm not a fan of charge attacks (atleast not yet), and that I need a lot more time using stick, kept having to look at my hands.

Hit a handful of anti-airs which I think may have been the only thing I succeeded at, baby steps. Landed half a target combo (Chun Li Jumping HP,HP, Back MK, MK) but screwed up the ending repeatedly. But hell, I've used my stick for a total of 2 hours.
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If you are hitting any anti-airs then you are already better than 95% of people who have picked up SF. Careful with the throw reach thing, it's one thing in SF4 but SFV it has been drastically shortened, bear that in mind if you plan on picking up 5.
 
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grimmiq

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Gipsy Danger said:
If you are hitting any anti-airs then you are already better than 95% of people who have picked up SF. Careful with the throw reach thing, it's one thing in SF4 but SFV it has been drastically shortened, bear that in mind if you plan on picking up 5.
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I plan on picking up 5, just made sure to get my stick early so I'm not fumbling around it in Feb. Cheers for the tips/encouragement.
 
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Sayad

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Cindi Mayweather said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3wm45e/ma_banned_from_smash_bros/
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His follow up comments are something else, lol:
Hello.
You have all gotten the wrong impression of me.
I'm an EMOTIONAL player but I'm not aggressive or hostile or even angry.
I am just a big advocate for justice and when i see OBVIOUS misconduct like this I can tend to go off.
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fucking pos banning me from PROPERTY HE DOES NOT OWN i don't care if it's not legal I'm taking this shit into my own fucking hands.
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man just fuck all of you
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what law says I can't punch the TO in the face.
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Line_HTX

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CountBlackule said:
Learning stick was probably the most frustrating experience I've had playing FG's.

it was worth it tho
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It was worth it for me and very satisfying too. It took me a couple of months to pretty much unlearn my habits on pad for Tekken and then I finally could play it on stick without fear of messing up my fingers.

Learning to fully play Tekken on stick sort of allowed me to start playing other fighters afterwards. It made the transition into BB/P4 much easier.
 
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Gipsy Danger

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Is there any GAFGC Google Sheet with players and their respective regions on it? Would be a cool thing if someone were looking for other people/characters to play against online or locally in their region.
 
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Gipsy Danger

Member
Grakl said:
Would be cool
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Assuming this doesn't exist, I could maybe make one up if it's something that people would be into. Just good to know at a glance what region people are from, what games they play, characters they use etc.

Let me know here or via PM if it's something you're into and I'll try and get one up by the weekend.
 
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Grakl

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Karsticles said:
I know a guy or two like this. So much rage when playing. I rage at home when playing online, but not when in person. Something about the impersonality of the matches makes it more frustrating.
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Online is made for raging. Only one game + lag is the worst
 
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