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[Xevren]

Dual Shock 4 banned at EVO. Really sucks. Those Mad Catz fight pads suck. IDK what I'd have done if I was competing. I haven't followed if there's good DS2 converters or not.

Yea not sure what I would do for mk honestly =/

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

they cant actually stop the dualshock 4 at evo can then? like 90% off MKX players use it

 

[ZeroTheShadow]

Dual Shock 4 banned at EVO. Really sucks. Those Mad Catz fight pads suck. IDK what I'd have done if I was competing. I haven't followed if there's good DS2 converters or not.

Wait they banned DS4 along with DS3? Seriously EVO?

 

[Professor Beef]

I found this on the TYM forums: http://testyourmight.com/threads/new-ps2-to-ps4-controller-adapter.55157/

It was from half a year ago, but the guy who reviewed it was pretty positive on it. Said there was no noticeable lag also.

 

[Tripon]

Blame Sony for making the DS4 basically Bluetooth only.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Blame Sony for making the DS4 basically Bluetooth only.

it takes a TO 15 seconds to unpair a controller though, thats a lot of players they are hurting for a minor inconvenience

it hurts every game, but definitely mortal kombat the most

 

[Professor Beef]

it takes a TO 15 seconds to unpair a controller though, thats a lot of players they are hurting for a minor inconvenience

it hurts every game, but definitely mortal kombat the most

Wiz must still have flashbacks to EVO 2008.

 

[ZeroTheShadow]

it takes a TO 15 seconds to unpair a controller though, thats a lot of players they are hurting for a minor inconvenience

it hurts every game, but definitely mortal kombat the most

It hurts the future of Tekken too. EVO was the only major that banned DualSock 3, the most used controller type in the United States for the game. It hurt attendance & despite every other major running DS3 & not having an issue they refused to allow it.

 

[Xevren]

it takes a TO 15 seconds to unpair a controller though, thats a lot of players they are hurting for a minor inconvenience

it hurts every game, but definitely mortal kombat the most

Hell doesn't even take that long honestly.

 

[Horseress]

I wanna play FANG just because of his super! Easily the best of the game

 

[Kumubou]

Blame Sony for making the DS4 basically Bluetooth only.

Huh? The DS4 has a dedicated wired-only mode -- that's how you use it on computers with no Bluetooth support.

However, it is consistent with Evo banning DS3 pads during the whole PS3 era -- but the difference there was most players could just run a PS2 adapter and wire up. Whereas now the only real viable solution is to use a Brook converter and connect a PS3 pad to it. The Brook converter is legal (barring any last-second lockouts from Sony -- and they've been good about resolving those issues) and (IIRC) dongle-based wireless devices have always been legal at Evo as they don't present the Player 3 pause issue that system-bound ones do.

The one huge difference now is that DS4s can be manually unpaired from the console, which means that players can be responsible for desyncing controllers and as long as judges make sure to wipe each setup between pools, it would be relatively easy to find out who was responsible for an external pause. This kind of asses out MK and Tekken players (and T7 last year did allow DS4 pads).

 

[Mizerman]

I just wanna play as FANG and see how well I can use him.

 

[Tripon]

Huh? The DS4 has a dedicated wired-only mode -- that's how you use it on computers with no Bluetooth support.

However, it is consistent with Evo banning DS3 pads during the whole PS3 era -- but the difference there was most players could just run a PS2 adapter and wire up. Whereas now the only real viable solution is to use a Brook converter and connect a PS3 pad to it. The Brook converter is legal (barring any last-second lockouts from Sony -- and they've been good about resolving those issues) and (IIRC) dongle-based wireless devices have always been legal at Evo as they don't present the Player 3 pause issue that system-bound ones do.

The one huge difference now is that DS4s can be manually unpaired from the console, which means that players can be responsible for desyncing controllers and as long as judges make sure to wipe each setup between pools, it would be relatively easy to find out who was responsible for an external pause. This kind of asses out MK and Tekken players (and T7 last year did allow DS4 pads).

On the PS4, it's still paired even after you pull the USB cord. That's why it's an issue.

 

[CO_Andy]

Nah, I'd argue that this is the best pad for fighting games mainly because of the six button layout. It's also what I have and use. But I mainly play fighting games on stick anyway.

The Sega Saturn dpad is good, but it's very to hard to perform SPDs consistently on it (or at all) in old SF games. Also have a problem with the dpad being wide and the fact it's on the far left side of the controller. Hardly anyone talks about the Saturn 3D controller, but i think it's a better fightpad than the standard version. The dpad is functionally the same but it's in a much more natural position for your thumb. The shoulder buttons not having to require a hard press is another benefit.

 

[jerry1594]

I wanna play FANG just because of his super! Easily the best of the game

Yeah that shit is goofy as hell but Fang seems like pretty well constructed goofiness to me lol

.

I'll have to try it on the Alpha anthology but it seems perfect for spd's
I might bite the bullet and get another xtokki adapter to use the ps1 stick so I may use mine more

 

[TheChits]

Nairo streaming. The final smash 4 update dropped, so it'll be interesting to see how things turn out
http://www.twitch.tv/nairomk

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

sp im not very good at making combos, but I toyed with nitro+ for like 5 minutes

 

[Rhapsody]

Firing up Smash 4. Patch is live.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Nevermind dual shock 4 is unbanned again. Look for me in SF V top 8 now.

 

[jbug617]

DS4 are unbanned. You can be DQ if you don't unpair the controller from the console after your match.

@EvilMrWizard: We are going to unban the DualShock 4 for this years event. Players are responsible for unpairing them after your match with the console.

@EvilMrWizard: Any player that doesn't unpair the DS4 from the console after their match risks disqualification from the event.

 

[Coda]

DS4 are unbanned. You can be DQ if you don't unpair the controller from the console after your match.

Coudn't they just make it so the controller had to be wire connected instead of wireless?

 

[Shouta]

On the PS4, it's still paired even after you pull the USB cord. That's why it's an issue.

Removing the battery should fix that lol but yeah you can have someone delete it before their next match. I did that when I played MKX and it worked fine.

 

[Zissou]

I had to forfeit a tournament in loser's quarters or semis (it's been a while, I can't remember) because, while the tournament had both systems for setups, I only had a PS3 controller. Someone offered me a stick to use, but after one "why not" round, I had to give up.

I've played fighters on pad my entire life, so they don't feel alien to me at all like sticks do.

Not saying pads aren't viable and of course you're best at playing on what you're used to. Just saying in terms of hand/wrist health and comfort, sticks seem better. I mean, there's a reason smash players have hand problems, right?

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

I had to forfeit a tournament in loser's quarters or semis (it's been a while, I can't remember) because, while the tournament had both systems for setups, I only had a PS3 controller. Someone offered me a stick to use, but after one "why not" round, I had to give up.

I've played fighters on pad my entire life, so they don't feel alien to me at all like sticks do.

This is one of the main reasons I'm switching to stick.

I'm sick and tired of being in an environment where I can't use my pad because they don't have the right system. Even if they're playing on Xbox One, and I can't use my MCZ stick, if someone offers a stick, I'll be able to play that.

Being in a place where someone offers you a way to play the game but you can't play the game is so, so frustrating. It took one night of that for me to say,"fuck it, switching to stick. What if this happened at a tournament?" In fact, I couldn't even participate in the SFIV tournament because they were on 360's, I didn't know stick, and my controller is for ps3/ps4.

Missing out on the last SFIV tourney in my area - which would have been a valuable learning experience - because I can't play stick was enough for me to switch over.

 

[Anne]

Smash players have hand problems because they're playing 300 APM games on a controller designed for children.

 

[Shouta]

Not saying pads aren't viable and of course you're best at playing on what you're used to. Just saying in terms of hand/wrist health and comfort, sticks seem better. I mean, there's a reason smash players have hand problems, right?

That's because Smash players have to hit a ton of fucking buttons more than we do to play at the top level, lol

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

That's because Smash players have to hit a ton of fucking buttons more than we do to play at the top level, lol

meh, im also a starcraft player

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

sp im not very good at making combos, but I toyed with nitro+ for like 5 minutes

Hows the netcode?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Hows the netcode?

havent actually tried it yet, first time ive really played with it and im about to go back onto tomb raider

 

[Professor Beef]

Not saying pads aren't viable and of course you're best at playing on what you're used to. Just saying in terms of hand/wrist health and comfort, sticks seem better. I mean, there's a reason smash players have hand problems, right?

Melee players do because of so many fucking actions lol. I've never used characters that require movement like that, so it's never been an issue for me.

This is one of the main reasons I'm switching to stick.

I'm sick and tired of being in an environment where I can't use my pad because they don't have the right system. Even if they're playing on Xbox One, and I can't use my MCZ stick, if someone offers a stick, I'll be able to play that.

Being in a place where someone offers you a way to play the game but you can't play the game is so, so frustrating. It took one night of that for me to say,"fuck it, switching to stick. What if this happened at a tournament?" In fact, I couldn't even participate in the SFIV tournament because they were on 360's, I didn't know stick, and my controller is for ps3/ps4.

Missing out on the last SFIV tourney in my area - which would have been a valuable learning experience - because I can't play stick was enough for me to switch over.

Bear in mind that my situation was years ago before everyone had settled on an official system for tournaments. I wouldn't have the same issue now because I would know ahead of time if I should bring a PS3 controller, or my 360 converter.

 

[Coda]

This is one of the main reasons I'm switching to stick.

I'm sick and tired of being in an environment where I can't use my pad because they don't have the right system. Even if they're playing on Xbox One, and I can't use my MCZ stick, if someone offers a stick, I'll be able to play that.

Being in a place where someone offers you a way to play the game but you can't play the game is so, so frustrating. It took one night of that for me to say,"fuck it, switching to stick. What if this happened at a tournament?" In fact, I couldn't even participate in the SFIV tournament because they were on 360's, I didn't know stick, and my controller is for ps3/ps4.

Missing out on the last SFIV tourney in my area - which would have been a valuable learning experience - because I can't play stick was enough for me to switch over.

Learning stick is definitely extremely valuable when it comes to playing with what most people play with. My stick is so customized now with better Sanwa buttons than the OBSF-30s, I have the RG version which feels way better IMO and my Hori Hayabusa joystick so when I even try to play someone else's stick it feels somewhat foreign to me.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

6 face buttons and half a hand grip? No thanks. Hori can get back to me when they learn to design worth a damn.

There's one with two hand grips.

 

[jerry1594]

Smash players have hand problems because they're playing 300 APM games on a controller designed for children.

Gamecube is fun for all ages, Mrs./Mr. grownup gamepad user

 

[notworksafe]

i told y'all DS4 was gonna be banned in 2016 a year ago. i asked wizard about it and posted his response here. mothafuckas could have had year early breaking news.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

i told y'all DS4 was gonna be banned in 2016 a year ago. i asked wizard about it and posted his response here. mothafuckas could have had year early breaking news.

year early news that was relevant for like 15 minutes!

 

[notworksafe]

tbh i think they should stay banned unless your battery is removed. evo judges are pretty garbo and problems will happen for sure. yet another reason i'll be glad to not be attending the shitshow this year.

wizard creating a shittier tournament environment cause he's scared that arena won't get filled unless he bows to the pressure.

 

[K.Sabot]

DS4 are unbanned. You can be DQ if you don't unpair the controller from the console after your match.

hmmm might go to evo then!

 

[Bizazedo]

tbh i think they should stay banned unless your battery is removed. evo judges are pretty garbo and problems will happen for sure. yet another reason i'll be glad to not be attending the shitshow this year.

wizard creating a shittier tournament environment cause he's scared that arena won't get filled unless he bows to the pressure.

What if the event turns out great?

 

[notworksafe]

then that would be great. but i remember the last time they allowed bluetooth controllers in an SF event, it was a mess.

even then the best parts of evo for me are gone, so the event would still be subpar.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

then that would be great. but i remember the last time they allowed bluetooth controllers in an SF event, it was a mess.

last year?

 

[notworksafe]

last year?

what SF game were bluetooth controllers allowed in last year?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

what SF game were bluetooth controllers allowed in last year?

unless they made a special rule just for street fighter, DS4s were allowed last year

EDIT: forgot they moved 4 back to 360, still, 360 doesnt have bluetooth so it wasnt possible. Either way, DS4s were allowed last year and were using in persona, guilty gear, mortal kombat, with zero issues

 

[notworksafe]

USF4 was on Xbox 360

Your examples are much smaller games and not really comparable. The amount of issues caused by DS3 in 2009 was fucking ridiculous

 

[Zissou]

That's because Smash players have to hit a ton of fucking buttons more than we do to play at the top level, lol

Morridoom tho!

 

[sf2fanatic]

So when do we see players like Du, Luffy and Smug start using an arcade stick?

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

USF4 was on Xbox 360

Your examples are much smaller games and not really comparable. The amount of issues caused by DS3 in 2009 was fucking ridiculous

DS3 and DS4 are not comparable. PS4 has bluetooth pairing management, PS3 didnt

 

[notworksafe]

Understandable but there is such a small chance that EVO judges will enforce the unpair rule. They were supposed to make people pair their DS3 with a separate pairing station so that you wouldn't interrupt games, which almost no one did.

 

[Karsticles]

Morridoom tho!

I think ChrisG died from that.

 

[Dahbomb]

Morridoom tho!

If those players keep playing the game for a few more years then they are going to ruin their wrists/hands too.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Understandable but there is such a small chance that EVO judges will enforce the unpair rule. They were supposed to make people pair their DS3 with a separate pairing station so that you wouldn't interrupt games, which almost no one did.

fortunately with PS4 the pressure wont be 100% on each player, TOs should be checking each console before/after each pool to make sure everything is unpaired