-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Fighting Game Headquarters |3| [Cinematic Title Expansion Coming Soon]
- Thread starter notworksafe
- Start date
- Status
b-b-but how do I maintain that my favorite game is the one that's best for absolutely everyone?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think we all know every game that isn't SFV or Smash is dead lets be real here
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
in america
shaowebb
Member
Yeah, theres always a lot of heresy that this is the case on message boards lol.
Honestly, I've played so many anime fighters in the past year that I'm really really missing string based NRS stuff. I used to lab a lot in Injustice and hanging with the Bane counsel was always fun as we'd find ways to break rules with his venom shit. Heck I remember labbing ex arrows with Green Arrow forever trying to get more damage out of his feather touches.
BTW I still hold that had Green Arrow's fire arrows exploded on impact and blown you TOWARDS HIM like Reptile's balls it would have done wonders for him. He lacked starters due to his range and was completely reliant on ice arrows both for damage and openers most times. Not like his wakeup options were slaying it for him so the dude needed an opener. Problem was he had little tiny pokes with bad range and his other stuff knocked folks full screen. I get this was to setup a guy who was meant to corner pressure to death but his two best strings were fast to scout. He needed an option to pull guys into combos and to extend them. Fire arrows changing in utility to blow folks towards him would have fixed that and given him far less of a predictable pattern out there.
As history has proven you cannot rank a character's Tier in NRS by how well Chris G performs with them. Reason being is that he's Chris Fuckin G lol.
Hoping we get some arrow changes in the sequel.
Professor Beef
Banned
shaowebb
Member
Try out D'vorah bug stuff sometime. The stun she induces allows for some crazy link ups and she's got a shitload of launchers to play with. Whole cast has fun stuff. My favorites were:
- Flame Fist Liu Kang's insane chip damage
- D'Vorah's stun from bugs allowing me to get creative and have fun
- Puggles the bat flying around making things safe for Quan Chi.
- NO YOU GONNA LEARN TODAY from Justin Wong to like an 8 year old as he bazookas the kid over and over to death with zoning from Jax.
When reality doesn't meet your preconceived expectations. But you put up with it anyway.
ShinMaruku
Member
Best thing about Justin and that you gon learn today is he was put off at Du Styling on west coast.
That wasn't right. Kid was begging him to stop but Justin wouldn't relent.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Errrr, lol. Come see the results of Euro tournaments
CountBlack
Member
cross post from SFV thread tbh
Back in Canada from my trip to Japan.
Went to the E-Sports Cafe on Wednesday to see how it is and its really nice. You pay the entrance fee for how long you're staying then get a coin (poker chip) thats worth one drink on the menu.
Competition is very high level. I played against Kazunoko & Itazan
There was a Birdie player there who I think might've been crusher going by his twitter but not 100% sure. Kichijoji Ken and Supersantarouman was there too.
They had a few setups that were split up by LP. For players that had 2000 LP then another for players that were at 4000LP.
Mostly head to head setups, mostly ran on PC but they had a few PS4's going.
Really nice place, wish I could've stayed longer
Back in Canada from my trip to Japan.
Went to the E-Sports Cafe on Wednesday to see how it is and its really nice. You pay the entrance fee for how long you're staying then get a coin (poker chip) thats worth one drink on the menu.
Competition is very high level. I played against Kazunoko & Itazan
got bodied by both.
They had a few setups that were split up by LP. For players that had 2000 LP then another for players that were at 4000LP.
Mostly head to head setups, mostly ran on PC but they had a few PS4's going.
Really nice place, wish I could've stayed longer
sixteen-bit
Member
Cool beans CountBlack. Do you feel like you leveled up? Also how did they treat you as a foreigner? Was it chill?
CountBlack
Member
I didn't get to play long enough to really level up. I only got to play SFV on two different days. I did learn a bit about the Sim MU from a JP player which should help me a bit.
As a foreigner in Japan or in the E-Sports place? The answer to both: They're very nice to everyone lol. It was chill but at the same time since I wasn't able to communicate with anyone it's hard to ask questions about a MU and such.
sixteen-bit
Member
MM snapping the hopeful back to reality
https://twitter.com/markman23/status/731106436101464075
https://twitter.com/markman23/status/731106436101464075
I'm more interested in a Capcom All Stars with that playstyle tbh.
cross post from SFV thread tbh
Back in Canada from my trip to Japan.
Went to the E-Sports Cafe on Wednesday to see how it is and its really nice. You pay the entrance fee for how long you're staying then get a coin (poker chip) thats worth one drink on the menu.
Competition is very high level. I played against Kazunoko & ItazanThere was a Birdie player there who I think might've been crusher going by his twitter but not 100% sure. Kichijoji Ken and Supersantarouman was there too.got bodied by both.
They had a few setups that were split up by LP. For players that had 2000 LP then another for players that were at 4000LP.
Mostly head to head setups, mostly ran on PC but they had a few PS4's going.
Really nice place, wish I could've stayed longer
Nice, in Tokyo the whole time? Dying to go. Someday I'll be able to take the family and do Tokyo/Sapporo/Okinawa.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Why does anybody think disney would license their shit out for a rinky dink ass genre like fighting games when they just got burned on the seemingly huge "toystolife" games?
If they ask capcom for anything it'll be for a disney themed monster hunter, Mickey Hunter
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
i wouldnt want any marvel versus style game by capcom without 8ing. dimps is trash
RellyRell28
Banned
Honestly IMO MvC4 is gonna happen just not anytime soon. It will probably be another 10 year gap like last time or more.
CountBlack
Member
Yea just Tokyo. I didn't make any reservations for anywhere else and didn't want to end up stranded
Just realized the Birdie player that had a long winning stream at the E-Sports Cafe was Inco. It was at a FT1 station and I was so close to winning a match but made one mistake ;-;
ShadowSoldier89
Member
gotta hit up historical sites in kyoto and nara next time.
Tokyo was awesome for the modern experience, but I loved getting a very diverse trip when I went
Speaking of funny Justin Wong clips, anyone see this highlight of Justin snatching Nacer's soul with Alex parry?
I guess Justin is ONLY going to play Alex at Canada Cup this weekend.
I guess Justin is ONLY going to play Alex at Canada Cup this weekend.
Well, Canada is pretty free.
But...Vulva? He's canadian, right?
No CPT points on the line, might as well.
That laugh, lol.
MiniBossBattle
Member
I just want Disney to allow digital re-release of the MvC series for the PS4/XB1.
shaowebb
Member
I wonder if its easier to get a license to remaster an old Marvel with added content compared to doing an entirely new game? Probably not.
MvC4 would be a passion project. If we learned anything about Disney and games, they don't have passion towards video games.
Making people hate Alex with that 15-0
No faith in Disney caring about such old games
RellyRell28
Banned
It's probably the only way the can use X-Men anf FF characters.
MiniBossBattle
Member
If you only knew how crazy profitable mobile gaming is. The only reason I see them allowing the digital re-release is increasing mindshare of the marvel universe.
That said, imagine MvC3 with the addition of Black Panther and Thanos and WarMachine and Black Widow. The problem, knowing about working on old code-game, it takes a lot of dev time to create new assets and figure out the quirkyness of an old engine. I was brought in to work on a Wii port. It was tough to go back. Its tough to go back to PS3/360 now lol.
I would be happy with a re-release of old titles. Cheaper for Capcom.
That said, imagine MvC3 with the addition of Black Panther and Thanos and WarMachine and Black Widow. The problem, knowing about working on old code-game, it takes a lot of dev time to create new assets and figure out the quirkyness of an old engine. I was brought in to work on a Wii port. It was tough to go back. Its tough to go back to PS3/360 now lol.
I would be happy with a re-release of old titles. Cheaper for Capcom.
shaowebb
Member
Yeah, really. The mutants and FF are on hard lockdown and then some according to reports in the media.
I know the profitability of mobile. Its pretty crazy lucrative for Disney to stay there. Thing is I dont ever see MVC as something Disney would be approaching Capcom to do. I see it as something Capcom would have to approach Disney for permission to do and licensing talk. Thats only even a remote possibility now due to Disney saying they are getting out of development and going full licensed game mode with Marvel.
I dig what you're saying about going back to old code though. I've been through a couple of engines already and you always feel like you're starting over with nothing. I can only imagine what a shift it'd be to go back and try to find your way around through the completed work of another title meant for last gen tech. This is a big reason why I admired the work of Project M so much. They did a helluva lot with old code.
Something odd that sits in my mind lately about Marvel in general though...its an airdash fighter, with wavedashing and potential for Touch of Death and rampantly long combos, mixups, and unblockables.
Yet it has no combo breaker system to keep it in check and people are rabidly in love with it.
Does this mean people prefer to be allowed to "let it rock" to such an extreme degree for hype in sacrifice of game balance or is it just because its Marvel heroes that it gets that kind of sticking power even after the balance goes out the window? Im not saying design away anything powerful because thats wrong and you need to let folks have good tools to abuse and feel cool with, but I am wondering if Marvel is an anomoly due to the license or if this is indicative of something people prefer...the ability to have overwhelmingly broken tools with multiple characters. I see some similar reverie from Jojo and Hokuto no Ken folks...
MiniBossBattle
Member
Even before you fight, there is a lot of appeal.
I think MvC superficially works because you choose a team and they all have a role in the fight, as a team. People choose bigs or smalls or pick a team based off of lore and the most underrated option "random"
The large cast and how they factor in terms of point, anchor, assist allows you to create synergy and playstyle on a novice level. Movement and the variety of it become more apparent.
Team order, meter management, incoming mixup is something a more advanced player will start getting into, creating 50/50s, resets and max damage combos.
TODs, pushblock setups, mixups into mixups and XF to flip from offense to defense or use it to kill is more of an expert player skill and where I start falling off on the game. Neutral and movement become even more apparent.
If I had a simple wishlist, I would add more costumes, colors and dial a combo EVERY character. I would also add hooks to make the game where you would push the Dailiy Active Users (DAU) up and give bonuses. Also, the card game was super interesting BUT didn't allow you to do LOCAL.
shaowebb
Member
Still begs the question though...do people prefer to just have the whole cast allowed to have unbalanced powerful stuff with no breaker system on deck to reign it in and balance be damned because its fun to make everything feel powerful or do they like it better when you spend more time balancing such tools, toning it down some and adding other systems like breakers to keep things from getting as harsh as Marvel's level of TOD?
I'm honestly not even certain there is a way to answer this question honestly. One, its hard to determine if its preferrable to let it rock to players or if its just because its the Marvel license they enjoy that style of play because its fitting. Two, it comes down to player preferences which vary.
Its just something I find hard to nail down in regards to this game. I know Skullgirls lets it rock but put in an infinite protection and unblockable protection system.
I'm honestly not even certain there is a way to answer this question honestly. One, its hard to determine if its preferrable to let it rock to players or if its just because its the Marvel license they enjoy that style of play because its fitting. Two, it comes down to player preferences which vary.
Its just something I find hard to nail down in regards to this game. I know Skullgirls lets it rock but put in an infinite protection and unblockable protection system.
I'm bad though
call_kotaku
Member
I think the answer is that Mahvel is Mahvel and having the name and the Marvel characters matters a huge deal. There isn't going to be a gameplay-related answer for why those players don't also play GG/BB/SG or even HnK.
- Status