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Fighting Game Headquarters |3| [Cinematic Title Expansion Coming Soon]
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notworksafe
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Maybe I'll just go back on my word and make Super Fighting Game Headquarters |∞3| Frauds Among Us
Not universally. The best option for offloading an individual item will probably change depending on circumstances; it's up to the seller to decide if the tradeoff of doing research vs finding the most convenient option is worthwhile.
Here's an example: Uncharted 2 trades in for $0.25 at both GameStop and Best Buy. At that price, you might be insulted and think that you'd be better off selling on Amazon.
As previously mentioned, Amazon charges $2.64 in flat fees as well as an additional 15% on the selling fee, which is independent of the $3.99 shipping they require for sellers without a storefront, to the best of my recollection. USPS First Class shipping for packages under 3 ounces is $2.45, so the formula comes out to:
profit = item price*0.85 (variable fees) +3.99 (shipping credit) -2.64 (fixed fees) -2.45 (shipping cost)
If you solve for the break-even price, you'd find that you need to price your item at $5.29 just to avoid losing money on the transaction. Of course, at that price, you'd have about a page of sellers who beat you on price. To make 25 cents of profit on the sale, to match trading it in, you'll have to charge $5.58.
This isn't even an example that's particularly favorable to trading in. Let me know what you'd sell on Amazon and I'll tell you what you could be doing with it.
Individual tournament prize money might be larger in SC2, but that doesn't really capture how prominent BW was in Korea. We're talking about a game that was pulling in six digit live crowds more than ten years ago, and that was so popular that the army decided to form a professional team so that conscripted players on their mandatory military service could keep playing on TV.
And Best Buy isn't out of the way and takes time to deal with.
The idea is to buy new games and then once they are beaten and you don't want to keep them you can a sell them for like $40-50 after taxes, fees, and shipping. Selling very old games is rarely worth it unless they are rare.
shaowebb
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This please. So much this.
I'm well aware of that; it's just that... why would you sell on Amazon of all places?
Doom just came out three days ago and there are already used listings for $54 on Amazon, which would be $41.25 after fees and shipping. It's impossible to see what price the game's sold at on Amazon, but sold listings on eBay suggests that the market value for a used like new copy is probably closer to $45-50, which would be closer to $36 on Amazon.
At that price, why not consider trading it in at GameStop, where you'll get $43.20 for it?
SC2 may have had bigger prize money going into it but BW was just more popular. Game was a phenomenon.
I still have Boxer match replays on my harddrive. Legendary stuff.
Also SC1 was a heavily pirated game at LAN centers in Korea (and in other parts of Asia). Pirating games was far more common back in the day but now with Battle.net you can't do that anymore (or at least not as easily). So sales don't paint the full picture either.
I still have Boxer match replays on my harddrive. Legendary stuff.
Also SC1 was a heavily pirated game at LAN centers in Korea (and in other parts of Asia). Pirating games was far more common back in the day but now with Battle.net you can't do that anymore (or at least not as easily). So sales don't paint the full picture either.
You wouldn't be a fraud if you used that title.
Emerson's Essentia
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Nice breakdown, Lemstar. That's essentially what I was thinking, intuitively, regarding online vs. offline. Most of the stuff that I need to get rid of is at least 2 years old. I don't buy games much.
The only stuff I might go through the trouble of taking the online route is my Nintendo stuff. But there's a part of me that thinks a Wii U might be worth something down the road, some I'm vacillating.
The only stuff I might go through the trouble of taking the online route is my Nintendo stuff. But there's a part of me that thinks a Wii U might be worth something down the road, some I'm vacillating.
Karsticles
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So is Amazon always a bad option? I wish I could sell my textbooks on there...
shaowebb
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Apparently Maximillian did a video addressing the Disney licensing thing with Marvel since folks blew up his twitter when they said they would be licensing their stuff again.
I got bored and contacted Marvel to see if they could clarify what Marvel characters in particular Disney holds the digital rights to license and if there is any sort of estimate on such licensing costs available to the public if any could even be made outside of case by case scenarios.
If I get anything back from Marvel's licensing department I'll send it to Max for something to post on. If nothing else it should help paint a clear picture to fans about how realistic anything is at this point much like when Skullgirls itemized the costs for a single character to be made.
Never hurts to ask.
I got bored and contacted Marvel to see if they could clarify what Marvel characters in particular Disney holds the digital rights to license and if there is any sort of estimate on such licensing costs available to the public if any could even be made outside of case by case scenarios.
If I get anything back from Marvel's licensing department I'll send it to Max for something to post on. If nothing else it should help paint a clear picture to fans about how realistic anything is at this point much like when Skullgirls itemized the costs for a single character to be made.
Never hurts to ask.
Yup. After SC1 people moved on to WC3 but that wasn't all that competitively so people just messed around with the Custom engine on it because it was rad at the time (same for SC1 to some extent). And then the custom map of DOTA was made and people started playing that more than the actual WC3.
Then Riot made their DOTA clone which resulted in people migrating from DOTA 1 to LOL because it had actual MM, good online and hack prevention (plus other fixes that weren't possible on the WC3 custom). DOTA 2 came quite a bit after LOL so people who were hooked with LOL stayed there.
If DOTA 2 came out shortly after DOTA 1 then it would've been #1 game on the planet instead of LOL.
irfaanator
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with all their gaming promotion you would think taco bell would sponsor somebody
shaowebb
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Them and Mt. Dew.
The thing that hurt me the most in that video was how Marvel 2 sold 2 million units (actually it's 1.4 million) and there is still no scene for the game, despite it selling more than most fighting games.
shaowebb
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The thing that hurt me the most in that video was how Marvel 2 sold 2 million units (actually it's 1.4 million) and there is still no scene for the game, despite it selling more than most fighting games.
It is what it is. I'd just like to shed some clarity with any info they can give. Folks always say its a licensing nightmare and you cant get certain characters so I thought it'd be nice if there was a way to sum all these thoughts up with info from the source.
The direct approach helped me in the past to clarify the status of stuff with other games. Sure settled things about what happened with the localization of Culdcept 3DS when I contacted Nintendo on it. Figure that I'm not the voice that could spread that sorta info if I did get anything outta contacting marvel licensing though. So if I get it then hurray I help Max get hits and help tidy up some misconceptions for folks. He could make more use outta that stuff than me.
I wish for the Marvel community to be like Smash. Have one side of the community playing the classic game (Melee, Marvel 2), while the other side plays the newest entry (for Wii U, Marvel 3).
People would be really surprised to find out just how much developers and what not will tell them about their games and answer their questions. Much of my knowledge of sprite animation and development costs came directly from me asking developers question on forums.
A re-release of Marvel 2 sold as much as SFV.The thing that hurt me the most in that video was how Marvel 2 sold 2 million units (actually it's 1.4 million) and there is still no scene for the game, despite it selling more than most fighting games.
When you say that out loud you realize how badly Capcom messed that up.
No, 1.4 million was SHIPPED for SFV. Marvel 2 shipped 1.4 million copies, but there literally aren't any left except like a dozen or so that go for $500.
So Marvel 2 sold more than Street Fighter V. As it likely deserves to.
I wished things worked this way. I wish that Third Strike still had a local scene.
To be fair this is how The King of Fighters community works.
40% of the community plays 2002. 30% play 98. 30% play whatever the newest version is.
Apparently there's a Marvel 4 petition out there:
https://www.change.org/p/walt-disne...&utm_source=petition_show&utm_medium=copylink
By the Marvel reddit community.
https://www.change.org/p/walt-disne...&utm_source=petition_show&utm_medium=copylink
By the Marvel reddit community.
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US
Apparently there's a Marvel 4 petition out there:
https://www.change.org/p/walt-disne...&utm_source=petition_show&utm_medium=copylink
By the Marvel reddit community.
My imaginary Black Panther/Asura/Alex team is weak please buff
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Apparently there's a Marvel 4 petition out there:
https://www.change.org/p/walt-disne...&utm_source=petition_show&utm_medium=copylink
By the Marvel reddit community.
MOBAs go to show that if good mechanics/ideas are stuck in a genre with trappings that people don't like, somebody will cherrypick those ideas/mechanics to form something new, and the original genre will decay.
With competing interests and an inability to get along, the Smash community at many times have the inability to get out of their own ass and actually plan for the future.
Edit: Not to mention that Smash is one of the bigger communities out there. You mention King of Fighters, but those guys are minuscule, and it shows at how shows up at tournaments. The entries for XIII are small right now, and so far, the only official tournament for 2002UM of the year outside of the Dream Cancel Cup in Colorado earlier in the year is Combo Breaker.
The KOF community is already dormant. People should be glad that SNK is making XIV, otherwise there's a really good chance KOF community would be dead for years.
I fail to see how any of this is relevant. Marvel is much bigger in the US than the King of Fighters. So I don't get why "fractionalization" is a big deal. King of Fighters was also never popular in America, just very popular overseas.
I'm not sure why more people aren't considering bugging Capcom/Disney for a digital rerelease of UMvC3 instead. I don't know how a previously released game would interact with the Marvel character licensing quagmire, but it still seems like less of a reach than an entirely new game.
If you want some more specific input, you can send me a list of stuff you're thinking about getting rid of.
Not sure about textbooks specifically; my intuition is that selling them to students from the same school you used them at is always going to be the best option. The same problem of exorbitant fees still applies, though.
shaowebb
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Apparently there's a Marvel 4 petition out there:
https://www.change.org/p/walt-disne...&utm_source=petition_show&utm_medium=copylink
By the Marvel reddit community.
Huh...apparently they are only 460 away from 10000 signatures actually. Well good on them for trying to convince folks of a need. Not sure what good if any it will do, but sure. At least its scene is doing something to support it.
Like I said, I wish every scene would try as hard. I really liked Injustice and wish it had stuck around alongside of MKX. Heh...or for that matter TVC alongside of MVC3 and SFIV.
shaowebb
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If one ever did release it would result in chaos in the FGC. A balance patch this many years removed from the game's launch? Suppose that'd be one way to accurately gauge interest. Doubt its possible though. The paperwork on some of those characters would be a fucking nightmare. Theres a lot of mutants in there...
Holy Order Sol
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They don't have to interact in the first place, or they wouldn't have to but figureheads love pushing that OneUnit shit.
Emerson's Essentia
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Even if I were running Capcom I wouldn't waste my time entertaining the notion of MvC4. Unless Marvel/Disney petitions Capcom, I don't see in what universe it benefits scarcely anyone
That would be fucking incredible! I'll take any inventory in a few days when I have time.
That would be fucking incredible! I'll take any inventory in a few days when I have time.
Because the places where it is popular, its fractionalization doesn't seem to effect things.
shaowebb
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So long as it keeps Disney aware that folks want more tournament worthy fighting games with Marvel characters in them I'd be happy. I dont care what title that results in. It could be Namco, NRS, ASW, Examu , Frenchbread or even Nintendo allah Smash Bros style for all I care so long as their was any Marvel fighting games being made for FGC style play.
I just dont want the only Marvel fighting game on Disney's radar to be that mobile one. I'd like them to be reminded there are other demographics of fighting game loving marvel fans that the mobile does not appeal to.
I already stated this.
I was referring to places as in most of Latin America which has people playing '98, 2002, and XIII.
EDIT - Realize KOFs had some following in the US during the 90s and early 2000s, but not in quite some time.
Yes.
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http://superdojo.blogspot.com/2016/05/could-this-be-whats-holding-things-up.html
http://superdojo.blogspot.com/2016/05/could-this-be-whats-holding-things-up.html
he tweeted about eating at taco bell in japan once amidst the internet blowing him up
I wouldn't either.
I would instead have them working on Capcom All Stars and DMC5.
Both of which make a hell of a lot more sense than MVC4.
Only way MVC4 makes sense is if Disney money hats it AND starts to sponsor big FG events around it including putting in big pots. Now that is something that would benefit a lot of people especially the players and the community.
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