Good. Maybe then the genre can evolve past being stuck in the past 15 years.
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biosnake20
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Seth will save us all.
Seth will destroy us all.
Karsticles
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Which of Seth Killian's works are you the greatest fan of?
SFIV
PSABR
Rising Thunder
irfaanator
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the best looking fighting game that may never come out is tekken 7
ShinMaruku
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Riot and how they think would never give that game the space it needs to establish itself. And I don't think the genre is stagnant, but more these games don't lend themselves to the layman making Riot's attempt sheer lunacy but riot is a cult.
Gunslinger
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SFIV for sure
biosnake20
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I'm a big fan of his character strength predictions.
SSF4: "Sagat is even stronger now"
MvC3: "Dante will be mid-tier"
Karsticles
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I can forgive him on Dante, because the character was so free-flowing who could really know what the highest levels of Dante play would look like?
But then there's Vergil, and Seth Killian swore he wasn't top, either. I don't know how you can miss that.
This
You missed the secret correct answer, Gunslinger!
ROFL!
"Jill is secret top tier!"
"Vergil isn't top tier for sure"
Real answer is his work on MVC3 ensuring that MSS made it into the game especially Sentinel.
Karsticles
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That's why Jill got nerfed in Ultimate, and Zero got the buffs he needed.
I also remember Seth Killian talking about Dormammu's Ultimate buffs. "Did you wish that Dormammu could just stay back and throw pillars? He can do that now, because we've made them faster."
Final game has (IIRC) no frame data changes to Purification, and Dark Hole IIRC is -2 startup frames. I think Capcom's internal communication was just so bad the man didn't know what was going on half the time. On more than one occasion he has done a public test for a game, tried to show off a move or combo, and it isn't even there anymore.
I'm glad we didn't get any punchy characters like Iron Fist. Oddly enough, both he and Ghost Rider are wastes of space!
The only reason why fighting games look better than your typical console games is because they don't have to render large scale environments with NPCs.
biosnake20
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A lot of people didn't think that at the beginning. Even a few months in I remember yipes still saying he thought Vergil was mid/high tier.
Another good seth one is: "Thor will have a lot of juice in this game."
Those Thor air grab mix-ups were truly too strong.
Yeah I can't even blame him for that, he was probably ahead or behind whatever build that was being displayed.
I remember he was showcasing Nova and tried to use his assist and was like "welp they changed it, it used to be his slide". Yeah, Nova used to have his Centurian slide as an assist but of course Capcom thought it would be too good so they removed it and didn't give Seth the memo.
Hearing about MVC3 build reports is some fascinating stuff. Some of my favorites:
*Dark Phoenix's feathers could go full screen.
*Wolverine's Dive Kick used to hit overhead.
*Vergil's Blistering Swords didn't used to cost meter.
*Ghost Rider's Heartless Spire move used to extend nearly full screen up (multiple confirmations including Based God Viscant himself)
*RR had a different trap assist that was found out to be cheap so they gave him that other one which no one uses.
*The infamous She Hulk air dash in UMVC3 (we had video evidence of this).
*Superior Iron Man mobility build.
I am sure there's a UMVC3 build out there where Iron Fist had an actual low attack and a non garbage launcher.
Actually most fascinating is the "use 1 meter to do a tag combo" TAC mechanic that was found in the game files not too long ago. It's fascinating because if hit stun scaling was adjusted for it then it would be a vastly superior mechanic to the current TAC mechanic.
Yeah, that would've been stupid good and Vergil didn't exactly need anymore stuff to be super special awesome.
B-But...muh punches.
It just means that those 5 million have bad tastes, is all. triGiggle
NRS reminds of Telltale studios. All the money in the world and yet they refuse to fix their shitty engine.
Don't know why some of y'all are forgeting this dev
I love those petals from Lili's Rage Attack.
biosnake20
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*Strider's Ouroboros being a 2 bar super.
Full cities with NPCs, and look at those ingame graphics...
Many games have a much cleaner cel shading look than Naruto games.
Vajra used to cause a ground bounce as an assist.
Now imagine that assist being used by Terry Bogard and he would clip someone with Vajra then juggle them with Soul Fists full screen away with the ground bounce.
*shivers
MGSV has better character models and visuals than most fighting games and is open world environments running at 60FPS.
Now imagine that assist being used by Terry Bogard and he would clip someone with Vajra then juggle them with Soul Fists full screen away with the ground bounce.
*shivers
They do? Could've fooled me.
MGSV has better character models and visuals than most fighting games and is open world environments running at 60FPS.
Need... more... power...
Only game Injustice 2 is going to kill is, by then, already dead MKX.
NRS do use motion capture(motion capture is not cheap, but it's way faster than animating by hand, and end up being cheaper for bigger projects), their animation looks worse than PS2 era Tekken animation because Namco doesn't just use raw motion capture data, they spend a lot of time tweaking the mo-cap animation by hand for better dramatic/stylish effects.
It certainly rings true pre-360/PS3 era, but c'mon, it's a basic tech concept i expect anyone who surfs GAF to understand
Of course there are other external factors such as time, money, skill. Kojima had all three but couldn't deliver a finished product. That's what happens when you waste too many resources on aesthetics and presentation.
Ni No Kuni was a console exclusive (not counting the DS game). Were it not then perhaps the dev would have had to make some sacrifices as multi-platoform titles typically do.
But... They don't!
Edit: Oh, you're just backpedaling to contrary examples now, nevermind.
Maybe Xrd is the best looking cell-shaded game, but other than that, FGs are nowhere near the top graphically now.
Lostconfused
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A fighting game thread is hardly the place to call MGSV unfinished considering the recent examples.
CommandThrower
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The new Injustice 2 trailer didn't show me much, but I'm glad the game is still 2D. I'm also glad to see footage of Atrocitus and Grodd. Both are big bodies, so I'm interested.
Hopefully we'll get some proper match footage from E3, so we can see walk speeds, damage levels and actually know some more details regarding the gear.
Hopefully we'll get some proper match footage from E3, so we can see walk speeds, damage levels and actually know some more details regarding the gear.
15 years ago we got CVS2, don't see how that's a bad thing.
I wish SF5 was 1/100th as good as that game.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Cvs2 is overrated.
There's always room for mechanical innovation/refinement, but I think a lot of factors outside the core gameplay have the biggest room for improvement (netcode, tutorial content and other learning resources, integration with social media, better business models which are good for the game maker AND the players alike, etc.)
It'll come out... in 2020
It's all up in the air how their next game will turn out, but if there's one thing they learned from RT, it's that SFIV for dummies isn't the answer. The thing I'm curious about the most is seeing them trying to fit LoL characters and moves into a fighting game, done right, the game should be nowhere near as bland as RT.
Cosmo Clock 21
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The 13gend continues
RellyRell28
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So do we know who's all going to Dreamhack next week for the premiere.
not sure which asian players are going (except daigo who aims to attend to every premier event) but based on twitter chatter, i think pr rog and/or jwong are planning to go to dreamhack.
Holy shit this happened earlier during a JP semi finals for Gundam EXVS Maxi Boost On.
The most hype and clutch Gundam Exia Repair match ending I've seen in a while.
https://twitter.com/morikken/status/741932793962192896
His partner was near death too and morikken went clutch separating his opponents and dodging a high tracking shot with a fuwastep, then catches one melee hit and cancels into Exia Repair's super before his EX ran out.
The most hype and clutch Gundam Exia Repair match ending I've seen in a while.
https://twitter.com/morikken/status/741932793962192896
His partner was near death too and morikken went clutch separating his opponents and dodging a high tracking shot with a fuwastep, then catches one melee hit and cancels into Exia Repair's super before his EX ran out.
sixteen-bit
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Congrats Sonicfox.
Karsticles
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Japan caught on pretty fast. The difference, though, is that Seth Killian had months with the game - top Marvel players figured it out by then.
That's because everyone had an air dash in MvC3 Vanilla Beta.
That Ghost Rider change might have made him usable!
is that Lisa Simpson on the left?
Full cities with NPCs, and look at those ingame graphics...
Many games have a much cleaner cel shading look than Naruto games.
Kalamari
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Nothing can match the fluidity of VF, Tekken movement looks pretty janky in comparison.
I have a feeling the LoL fighting game might bomb unless they throw tons of money at the competitive scene, like the Moba. So, even if it is a shit game, it will still be popular because everyone will be chasing that paper.
I have a feeling the LoL fighting game might bomb unless they throw tons of money at the competitive scene, like the Moba. So, even if it is a shit game, it will still be popular because everyone will be chasing that paper.
notworksafe
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It leads credibility, or at least the facade of credibility.
KidA Seven
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I hate how Dreamhack doesn't add to the prize pool for premier events. If it wasn't a premier, they would add money, but they cheap out on premiers because Capcom gives $15k.
Holy Order Sol
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guess you don't care how ass shit can get as long as it "evolves"
funnily enough Yatagarasu lets people tweet combos
requesting new thread title
ZeroTheShadow
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It is not faster. You need to have an actor or athlete sit in a room for hours and hours doing the same move over and over till it looks good. Then they need to take that animation upload it, modify it so it actually works in game and looks better, and then manually animate the characters return to neutral animation or transition into another attack.
NRS seems to mocap their cutscenes(way easier) mostly not as much for the animations. Just look at Super Girls walk eye laser. That shit is hella not motion captured. I know for a fact they use mocap for some things, have been for awhile, but they clearly don't put the time in to make it look great.
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