RockTurtle
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Laura got the boob window and Karin has the OH-HOHOHOHOHO. everyone wants the new hotness
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Japan love their Ojous.
I see almost no Lauras actually. Just Karins and Chuns. Oh and a few Cammys here and there but strangely all the Cammy players are Korean.
Wait until Wizard gets a block of rooms at the Luxor and Mandalay Bay.
CountBlack
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Laura vs Chun is on some type of Zangief vs Seth in Vanilla type shi mayne
CountBlack
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Fchamp knows how to pick his victims
You played Elena. This is some karmic justice man
RockTurtle
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loving brown waifus is not a crime mang
sixteen-bit
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what can you do?
He dumped Deejay like a bad habit when Elena came around. Dude is unfaithful to his waifus
CountBlack
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You can:
1. Take the L
2. Take the L
3. Pull off a GootecksShimmy
Chun beat Elena in USF4 too tho
Elena was my reward for using Deejay for so long. All my struggles finally answered in a character that had a 6-4 MU against more than half the cast
Coffeeling
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Just became able to play SFV, so: people who play Chun, Cammy, Sim, Nash, could you tell me or direct me to resources that list:
1. A basic blockstring or two
2. A basic combo
3. Upclose punish
4. What V-Skill/Trigger nonsense does the character have?
1. A basic blockstring or two
2. A basic combo
3. Upclose punish
4. What V-Skill/Trigger nonsense does the character have?
ShadowSoldier89
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just check the tutorial
Coffeeling
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New Fighting Commander without the adjustable dpad thing?
CountBlack
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I want to learn her just to counter pick any Laura players I might play in a tournament lol
naw the FC4
Step cancels area little tricky but seem doable, definitely better than standard pad on any console to me. prolly won't replace stick anytime soon but its more convenient than lugging that around.
That part when you reach really new material in Lufia 2 last dungeon,
you hope and hope that maybe they get a happy ending but you know you're just fooling yourself ;__;
Coffeeling
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Coffeeling
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btw, got my TE S+ yesterday. It's probably the reference stick for the generation:
Sturdy body
Kickass artwork
Sanwa parts
Despite no advertisement, has the no-slip bottom of TES+ 360 and TE2.
Low input lag (about FC4 grade according to Teyah)
Sturdy body
Kickass artwork
Sanwa parts
Despite no advertisement, has the no-slip bottom of TES+ 360 and TE2.
Low input lag (about FC4 grade according to Teyah)
Holly shit at Bigbird's Ken: http://www.twitch.tv/gameline
Cindi Mayweather
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how easy is it to do spd in ST on that pad?
Guess I'm returning to stick. Just paid for a new updated Hori Kai 4 with the new Hayabusa buttons. Ordered it off the Hori site instead of Amazon because of the coupon code WEDNESDAY2 that saved me $15 off the price, which paid for the tax and then some.
No idea when it comes though.
No idea when it comes though.
What's the code valid on?
Seems to be a general code for Hori USA's site.
I played a FT10 set with a solid Chun player as Laura and we were even the first 3 or 4 games until he realized I have basically no answer to instant air legs and st. HP.
You can't elbow pressure her with LP elbows because every time it's blocked you're either forced to eat a throw or risk a shit load of dmg because she can hit-confirm into MP, cr.MK xx EX Legs off a crouching jab, so you absolutely cannot try to tech a throw if she blocks your light elbow. Neutral jump also doesn't work because her anti-air is fucking godlike and she has time to whiff 20598 crouching jabs and still anti-air you, dash under you and do that lame ass crouching jab hit confirm again.
You can't offer any options on oki pressure if she has meter unless you want to just neutral jump to try and punish a whiffed ex SBK. Her normals at close range seem to beat everything Laura has and there's no reason for her not to mash out those crouching jabs since she can do such big damage off of it.
The best luck I had was hovering outside her st. MK range but fishing for crush counters with st. HP.
It's not impossible, but unless I'm missing something, the odds are stacked heavily in Chun Li's favor.
ShinMaruku
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It was the right move to cut bait with sf4. Even better to bait salt with Pokken over SF4.
shaowebb
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Been playing more Blaz Blue Chrono Phantasma Extend...and not just story this time. Really digging Jin. Just feels easy to pressure and pin people down. Just feels like theres a tool for everything. Also feels pretty good using Kagura and Azrael. Man once either of those dudes get going the damage is just there.
Having a blast working my way through the cast legit for once. I think I might be close to the end of all the main story too. Not certain if the extend stories are more than side stories or if they are like an epilogue to what I just saw in the main story mode. Gonna put off the recap stuff of going through CT and CS stuff for awhile.
Really diggin this game. The movesets are just so loaded with shit to enjoy. Its like every character has some seriously powerful tool or another to learn to maximize and it makes for a fun ride. I can see this becoming my new main game with frequent pit stops to keep playing more TVC, and Arcana stuff.
Having a blast working my way through the cast legit for once. I think I might be close to the end of all the main story too. Not certain if the extend stories are more than side stories or if they are like an epilogue to what I just saw in the main story mode. Gonna put off the recap stuff of going through CT and CS stuff for awhile.
Really diggin this game. The movesets are just so loaded with shit to enjoy. Its like every character has some seriously powerful tool or another to learn to maximize and it makes for a fun ride. I can see this becoming my new main game with frequent pit stops to keep playing more TVC, and Arcana stuff.
Damn, over 3k already
Coffeeling
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Re: All the games as a medium / boredom / etc. talk I haven't read yet:
Like many, I've grown more and more bored of video games lately and don't play much besides fighting games and some Path of Exile with friends nowadays. And, at least for me, it's had a lot to do with games becoming less and less like games. I see games trying to be some kind of "art" more and more: Epic, movielike experiences with lots of plot and Zimmer or Williams-inspired scores, serious presentation dealing with serious issues, or mechanics-based "experiences".
I think a lot of that development is missing the point, and doing so by a mile. What we get in return for that epic presentation are QTE-infested, "press button X to execute script" laden pieces of dogshit. We get games that are ostensibly a great adventure but built to allow anyone to clear them, because the point has become the plot rather than the game. And, after all, what is there to play? Pressing a button repeatedly? Sitting in a ditch while invincible AI teammates clear everything?
Some games want to be unique, but is unique a substitute for being good, truly so? Are you ever going to play Limbo more than once? Fez? What about games like Spec Ops: The Line which is a game that sets out to make one point?
Because that's where games lose. People rightly note the ability of movies and books to move people, and how they have a high status in society. People want that recognition, so games should strive to be a seriously taken form of art.
Frankly? I don't think they have the chops to. The core of the game as a medium is interaction, player choice, feedback. Good books, good movies are good because they're well put together. They're a transfer of the author's or team's ideas to the recipient. The more you strive to allow feedback, high interaction and player choice into the game, the more you have to sacrifice this composed quality which is at the heart of books' and movies' ability to move people. The more the game reduces to what ifs. The more you rein it in, the more you force players into false choices without meaning or eventually just railroad their whole experience (Press "Shaun!" to continue).
At which point, why are you making a game? Why are you torturing a thing into doing something for which it is fundamentally unfit?
I can still play my way through and tremendously enjoy an old game like Sonic 3, for example. I still have fun playing Castlevania. They play to the medium's strengths: Immediate feedback, high interaction, a high degree of player freedom. You can explore a world at your leisure, and the translation of your intent into game result is direct.
What these games have, and where I think the "art" lies in games and has increasingly been lost in the areas that matter, is craftsmanship. The developers place all the attention to the movielike elements, to the small details of certain textures so forum goons can jerk over their favourite game. But what gets left behind? The feel of the controls, having actual gameplay to begin with, challenge - Dark Souls is scary and feels meaningful largely because you can die and you will die - the terrain in both being interesting to navigate and in terms of looks. Places aren't made, they're kind of thrown together. The aesthetic of large-scale terrain features, likewise. They're not where the effort gets put in. But those are the precise places where it should be, if we are to truly elevate games into being something great and not a second rate movie (Press "Shaun!" to continue).
To illustrate, think about the mountains in Skyrim and Planetside 2, and contrast them with something like Xenoblade Chronicles or, hell, Dragon's Dogma. Contrast how present the terrain is in something like Skyrim to Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls, or, alternatively, Metroid Prime or Golden Sun for a completely different pacing. These are all games that have had a lot of attention paid into their environment, and they feel the part unlike Skyrim's walking tubes. Craftsmanship.
Many modern games also try to look good primarily by tech. Just cram effects in and it will look good eventually. That, obviously, doesn't last. Golden Sun, Metroid Prime, Mario Galaxy, Journey, hell, even Xenoblade Chronicles will continue to look good because their art direction is good. It's not technical spectacle but craftsmanship.
I don't even need to get into the difference in feel in regard to something like Skyrim or QTE sequences when compared to actually good games, or the feel of stage design in modern attempts at retrogame revival when contrasted with what has come before. Most attempts just suck at the things the genre does best. Level flow in many modern titles is a joke.
So, can games be art? I think they can, and they ought to. But "art" in gaming terms is far simpler, more straightforward, and less glamorous than trying to do grandiose storylines, appear deep or making a point. Art, in terms of videogames, is craftsmanship in building the conditions for action. In providing the preconditions for someone to express themselves and to have fun.
I want to go back to that. I don't want to press "Shaun!" to continue.
Like many, I've grown more and more bored of video games lately and don't play much besides fighting games and some Path of Exile with friends nowadays. And, at least for me, it's had a lot to do with games becoming less and less like games. I see games trying to be some kind of "art" more and more: Epic, movielike experiences with lots of plot and Zimmer or Williams-inspired scores, serious presentation dealing with serious issues, or mechanics-based "experiences".
I think a lot of that development is missing the point, and doing so by a mile. What we get in return for that epic presentation are QTE-infested, "press button X to execute script" laden pieces of dogshit. We get games that are ostensibly a great adventure but built to allow anyone to clear them, because the point has become the plot rather than the game. And, after all, what is there to play? Pressing a button repeatedly? Sitting in a ditch while invincible AI teammates clear everything?
Some games want to be unique, but is unique a substitute for being good, truly so? Are you ever going to play Limbo more than once? Fez? What about games like Spec Ops: The Line which is a game that sets out to make one point?
Because that's where games lose. People rightly note the ability of movies and books to move people, and how they have a high status in society. People want that recognition, so games should strive to be a seriously taken form of art.
Frankly? I don't think they have the chops to. The core of the game as a medium is interaction, player choice, feedback. Good books, good movies are good because they're well put together. They're a transfer of the author's or team's ideas to the recipient. The more you strive to allow feedback, high interaction and player choice into the game, the more you have to sacrifice this composed quality which is at the heart of books' and movies' ability to move people. The more the game reduces to what ifs. The more you rein it in, the more you force players into false choices without meaning or eventually just railroad their whole experience (Press "Shaun!" to continue).
At which point, why are you making a game? Why are you torturing a thing into doing something for which it is fundamentally unfit?
I can still play my way through and tremendously enjoy an old game like Sonic 3, for example. I still have fun playing Castlevania. They play to the medium's strengths: Immediate feedback, high interaction, a high degree of player freedom. You can explore a world at your leisure, and the translation of your intent into game result is direct.
What these games have, and where I think the "art" lies in games and has increasingly been lost in the areas that matter, is craftsmanship. The developers place all the attention to the movielike elements, to the small details of certain textures so forum goons can jerk over their favourite game. But what gets left behind? The feel of the controls, having actual gameplay to begin with, challenge - Dark Souls is scary and feels meaningful largely because you can die and you will die - the terrain in both being interesting to navigate and in terms of looks. Places aren't made, they're kind of thrown together. The aesthetic of large-scale terrain features, likewise. They're not where the effort gets put in. But those are the precise places where it should be, if we are to truly elevate games into being something great and not a second rate movie (Press "Shaun!" to continue).
To illustrate, think about the mountains in Skyrim and Planetside 2, and contrast them with something like Xenoblade Chronicles or, hell, Dragon's Dogma. Contrast how present the terrain is in something like Skyrim to Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls, or, alternatively, Metroid Prime or Golden Sun for a completely different pacing. These are all games that have had a lot of attention paid into their environment, and they feel the part unlike Skyrim's walking tubes. Craftsmanship.
Many modern games also try to look good primarily by tech. Just cram effects in and it will look good eventually. That, obviously, doesn't last. Golden Sun, Metroid Prime, Mario Galaxy, Journey, hell, even Xenoblade Chronicles will continue to look good because their art direction is good. It's not technical spectacle but craftsmanship.
I don't even need to get into the difference in feel in regard to something like Skyrim or QTE sequences when compared to actually good games, or the feel of stage design in modern attempts at retrogame revival when contrasted with what has come before. Most attempts just suck at the things the genre does best. Level flow in many modern titles is a joke.
So, can games be art? I think they can, and they ought to. But "art" in gaming terms is far simpler, more straightforward, and less glamorous than trying to do grandiose storylines, appear deep or making a point. Art, in terms of videogames, is craftsmanship in building the conditions for action. In providing the preconditions for someone to express themselves and to have fun.
I want to go back to that. I don't want to press "Shaun!" to continue.
direct_quote
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Those scumbag tactics.
Yeah, SF IV more or less died for me when Ken "clicked" in V.
It seems that you can still find matches online quickly in IV, so there's a solid player base for it. As for EVO, there's no way IV can come back if V can pull in 4000 + players as it would need a complete restructuring which would have to take place over several days.
CountBlack
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You're not missing anything, the matchup is ass.
coming from the scumbag lord smh
thank you so much for writing the long and detailed post! i really want to play dhalsim but the usual "go watch art/fchamp's streams for sim tips" aren't helping much since i don't have a full understanding of their thought process when playing sim.
Rice-Eater
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First off...GAT DAYUM @ those SFV numbers. Well deserved, but even I couldn't see it doing numbers this big so fast, very Deadpool-esque. I thought it would hit 3k, but just barely. I think these numbers are very front loaded so I don't expect 5 or 6k. But 4k is looking like a real possibility as more people keep flooding in through the coming months. Thank you SFV for saving EVO for the FGC. Not a Smash tournament afterall.
Secondly, you gotta admit had USF4 been there that would have a lot of people who would be like "Oh USF4 is there, yeah why not". USF4 finishes with 2500+ just because
Cindi Mayweather
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Why the fuck do inputs fade SFV input history? I'm trying to see the execution of a basic combo here.
RockTurtle
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how do I fight vega as necalli gotdamn. those normal fuck me up 3 ways from sunday. I cant get in!
Is disc quick enough to punish after baiting it?
Coffeeling
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