Id rather play Fantasy Strike or drop fighters completely than play DOA tbh.
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Id rather play Fantasy Strike or drop fighters completely than play DOA tbh.
Japan Cup also seems only for asian players.
Turbanator
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I don't know what I was really thinking when I said that. I was thinking "Oh, Daigo and Infil will probably be in Japan", without considering that we're talking more about overall numbers rather than just big names.
Rice-Eater
Member
Well there is also the CPT Event in Costa Rica that Flash and Kbrad are trying to snipe. If not for that then those two would have put SFV over Injustice 2.
But seriously, those look like typical Tekken and Injustice numbers. It's just that SFV numbers are pretty ass. Skipping ahead to ECT, SFV is on pace to do quite a bit better. But the numbers still aren't that good. I really do think things will improve next year but until then this trend of underwhelming # of players and viewers should continue.
Movement in VF is easier in both a theoretical and practical sense for a couple of reasons. VF has limits in how fast you can cancel certain movement actions, namely sidesteps (can't cancel the first 10 frames of startup) and backdashes (which have pretty severe restrictions). Backsteps in particular are very different as they are about 5,000x riskier in VF as they create CH state (and a special CH state for some moves) and have very limited cancel properties. Much more of a VF match is played at ranges 0-1 than Tekken because of this.
Sidesteps are also about 10,000x strongly defined in VF compared to Tekken -- in VF, you either can sidestep a move or you don't. The only variable there is the move's tracking property (linear, half-circular, full-circular). It's very clear as to why a move was evaded or hit. Tekken has characters with variable step/dash speeds, startup on dashes, multiple levels of tracking... there's a lot more weirdness that can happen.
Sidesteps are also about 10,000x strongly defined in VF compared to Tekken -- in VF, you either can sidestep a move or you don't. The only variable there is the move's tracking property (linear, half-circular, full-circular). It's very clear as to why a move was evaded or hit. Tekken has characters with variable step/dash speeds, startup on dashes, multiple levels of tracking... there's a lot more weirdness that can happen.
shaowebb
Member
Your loss. DOA has Brad Wong who by default makes the game awesome.
sixteen-bit
Member
I just treat DOA like poverty VF because I have to
RIP VF
RIP VF
lucebuce12
Member
Well it's also mainly because of the community.Oh, so now you understand why I wanted infinite ranked in all games!
If this was SF, you'd bet your ass they'd just keep mixing things up to beat you and squeeze as many points out of you as possible.
Also can't have that if your game is gonna be E-S-P-O-R-T-S.
DoA really isn't THAT bad 😳
SixMachine
Member
I think Brad Wong is the smoothest drunken boxer in video games, he just goes into all his stuff rather naturally. It's too bad he is vulnerable in many of them like his lay down, don't give a damn pose like Slayer in Guilty Gear. Even though other games have more depth, I feel DOA deserves credit for being the "smoothest", in that it's intuitive and natural to walk in 3 dimensions. I know many people who pick up the series at first and they can easily get around.
Turbanator
Member
There are males in DoA?
Yeah and they're all husbandos
lucebuce12
Member
Yup. Brad wong and Akira and Ryu Hayabusa.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
And they once outnumbered the females too.
sixteen-bit
Member
Rig *whew*
There's Bayman, a Russian army guy who also uses Sambo.
He pre-dates Dragunov though.
lucebuce12
Member
I googled Sambo and went to images and that was not at all what I was expecting.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Don't do this, it's like telling someone to play world Heroes if they like Streetfighter 2 turbo.
Sure they share a lot of mechanics, but DoA is AT BEST a poor copy of VF that sells because tits.
Spuck-uk
Banned
His movement looks a lot different though, he's more of a heavyweight character than Drag.
Yeah, Bayman. His name completely slipped from my mind.
Still not used to DoA having weight classes.
What were you expecting, then?
;P
lucebuce12
Member
The weight class thing is a pretty cool way of balancing some characters IMO, since you can't have varying health.
Martial Arts? I dunno I'm not from the west.
luce where do you hail from?
lucebuce12
Member
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damn my networking skills aren't that good.
i do know a VF guy in Saudi Arabia though, do you find yourself often crossing the Persian gulf? XD
lucebuce12
Member
Never left the country lol, and sadly I don't get good pings with people from Saudi Arabia. It's mainly Singapore, UAE, and a few other Gulf countries.
Fucking horrible lol. You can definitely get a stable connection here but it's just the sad fact that people don't really play that many games around here and the few that do aren't big fighting game players. So games with legitimately good netcode are pretty much the only games I can play with other people, outside of the country and the UAE. KI is the best cause I can play people from Europe with little issues.
SFV is just a shitshow, but Tekken 7 has been a wonderful experience. The Tekken community is surprisingly large in the Middle East.
The USF4 community here in Pakistan was pretty solid, but SFV shit the bed. A lot of it is also just people growing up and leaving the country, having kids, etc, etc but I'm not gonna pretend like SFV being a bad game didn't have an effect. I can literally count on one hand the people that I can say still try to actively play SFV.
UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia are all crazy about Tekken. It's the biggest fighting game in the region.
What's your agenda? Kappa
lucebuce12
Member
Am I a shill for SFV or not, make up your mind!
Yeah, It's been a lot of fun playing with these guys. Played a Heihachi player recently that was doing consistent perfect godfists and such incredible freaking movement. Really opened my eyes to what truly good Tekken looks like. I mean I've seen competitive play but to actually play against someone like that was an eyeopener.
Surprisingly enough, Tekken isn't that hot here. The best player that I've faced here is someone who just does gimmicks with a lot of characters and tends to fall apart when they stop working. Almost surprised that person doesn't play SF.
New Rivals of Aether Reveals
New character Ranno, the Poisonous Pacifist was announced. Also the Xbox One version of the game has a release date now: August 23rd. That's also the day that Ori and Sein become available for purchase on both versions of the game.
They had a 30 minute panel at Super Smash Con and I'm not sure what else they talked about there, but that's the big stuff. Ranno looks great. I hope we get him and the other new fighters by the end of the year.
EDIT: Just watched the whole panel. Ranno and three more original characters are planned for simultaneous release by the end of the year. A second guest character is planned for Early 2018, and they haven't finalized who that character is going to be yet. They're currently in talks with indie game studios to see which would be the best decision for their game, and are open to suggestions from fans. After that they'll be done with characters and work towards a "Definitive Edition" release of the game, with a final roster of 14 playable characters.
New character Ranno, the Poisonous Pacifist was announced. Also the Xbox One version of the game has a release date now: August 23rd. That's also the day that Ori and Sein become available for purchase on both versions of the game.
They had a 30 minute panel at Super Smash Con and I'm not sure what else they talked about there, but that's the big stuff. Ranno looks great. I hope we get him and the other new fighters by the end of the year.
EDIT: Just watched the whole panel. Ranno and three more original characters are planned for simultaneous release by the end of the year. A second guest character is planned for Early 2018, and they haven't finalized who that character is going to be yet. They're currently in talks with indie game studios to see which would be the best decision for their game, and are open to suggestions from fans. After that they'll be done with characters and work towards a "Definitive Edition" release of the game, with a final roster of 14 playable characters.
CommandThrower
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Very nice! I'm glad to see that Rivals of Aether is continuing to expand and have new content.
From what I can tell, he's more pro Tekken than SFV, atpRtsd4
I think there are like 3/4 CPT events this weekend so the numbers are likely to be spread out. I'm not surprised T7 and Injustice are doing good as they recently came out however next year will be a different case, especially for Injustice. Viewers I'm not really fussed about as it seems SFV is still at the top judging by the record breaking numbers at EVO.
I believe there's a player from Lahore named Awais who is considered the best in Pakistan during the Tag2 era (surprise: he uses Jack). Not sure if he still plays for T7 since it has been nearly 5 years since TTT2's console release. Not sure at all about Karachi, last I heard Karachi was the KOF haven.
There's also a Pakistani player named DietyDevil. He's more of a combo maker than a competitor but his skill in execution is legendary. Some of the greatest Mishima combo discoveries are originated from him.
lucebuce12
Member
Hmm, haven't seen or heard of those two players around here. Like I said before, a lot of the "old guard" has left the country, or generally stopped playing that much.
My guess is that they probably moved somewhere else. Anyone that has any semblance of aspirations for their future does just that.
And yes, KoF is massive here in Karachi. They have monthlys, and have held tournaments that even SNK officially sponsored.
ShinMaruku
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One of the best characters in the game with a unique set up. He is all about guard breaks so if you block, he will kill you, his momentum is fucking insane.
Weight classes is the best thing, it makes you have to adjust your strings and combos, you have to know what your different launcher strenths are at and when to use a wall. You don't have to do a long combo to do the same damage, you send the heavy fucker into out the wall or through the ground, it's all pretty well thought out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6adhcUNxXw
Check out this combo, I maxed out hits and damage with all wiegh classes I just adjust my launchers and it fits everybody, this is on the heaviest character in the game.
Shame you said never DOA when part of the vf team is on Team Ninja and it's the only 3d fighting game where you will get their style because good luck getting Sega to make another VF, they probably don't see the margin it it.
Namco is already on track to meet their year end forecast for Tekken 7 worldwide. Pretty good summary they released themselves, WHOO
Gotta get that final push from KOIFT 2017 TWT finale.
Gotta get that final push from KOIFT 2017 TWT finale.
The Lone Dragon
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Gfinity EU event is live:
https://www.twitch.tv/gfinitytv
https://www.twitch.tv/gfinitytv
Good numbers
The Lone Dragon
Member
I mean, it's really just slightly more than SF5 over a similar period of time (considering it was released on one more console).
1.4 million on PC/PS4 over 1.5 months vs 1.66 million on PC/PS4/XB over 1 month.
Turbanator
Member
Not a fan at all of the direction Tekken has gone post-T5 but if this is what gets sales then good for them.
I'm laughing at the guy who said this game would outsell T3.
lucebuce12
Member
Shouldn't we be left behind?
katsubento
Member
So it's a reverse Marvel Infinite thing...except with guys...
lucebuce12
Member
In the event that you didn't get the joke, here's the list of guys and girls in DoA5LR
Akira, Bass, Bayman, Brad Wong, Ein, Elliot, Gen Fu, Hayate, Jacky Bryant, Jan Lee, Leon, Raidou, Rig, Ryu Hayabusa and Zack.
Alpha-152, Ayane, Christie, Helena, Hitomi, Honkers, Kasumi, Kokoro, Leifang, Lisa/La Mariposa, Mai, Jailbait, Mila, Momoji, Naotora Li, Nyotengu, Pai Chan, Phase-4, Rachel (best girl), Sarah Bryant and Tina Armstrong.