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Fighting Games Weekly | 4/20-26 | Beowulf Wrasslin', Mewtwo Smashin', Netkode Krashin
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MiniBossBattle
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Gushers are gross but I love Swedish fish. FGC needs to eat better.
I am just glad MK is scaring the anime away.
I am just glad MK is scaring the anime away.
Holy Order Sol
Member
yea, I'm not being speaking figuratively or overreacting or anything, but yea, I think this just shifted my whole view on SF4. Or at least added a new perspective.
EDIT:
especially this:
also
THE KING!!!
Im surprised Kbrad even got a new contract with EG. He barely changed anything about his play ever since AE2014 shit edition died out.
But ya, SFIV was always about dealing with the bullshit. The game has tons of it. I mean the whole vortex era was anti street fighter. Didn't matter if you were a good player or not, if you got knocked down, it was almost certain death.
Every time I watched Juice play against Rufus I know apart of him dies on the inside.
But ya, SFIV was always about dealing with the bullshit. The game has tons of it. I mean the whole vortex era was anti street fighter. Didn't matter if you were a good player or not, if you got knocked down, it was almost certain death.
Every time I watched Juice play against Rufus I know apart of him dies on the inside.
MiniBossBattle
Member
Kbrad is the most interesting personality on EG. He has me cheering for Cammy and this is from a Sim player.
He's a good personality, has a lot to do with it imo.
That's been the case for over a year now and has been argued as well.
SF4 has a bigger player base and a new version of the game is not even a year old. Despite being an old game it's not a matured game which means players haven't exactly "settled" in yet because of the updates. You will not see consistency in results until the game has been untouched by Capcom for 3-4 years.
LMAO!
I love Juicebox real talk sessions. Needs to put all this thoughts on youtube and put all the players on blast. Guaranteed 50K views.
KidA Seven
Member
A lot of players don't focus on Marvel. Justin doesn't really practice Marvel. SF has far more competition thanks to the overseas players. I think American SF would have the same consistency in placings if there were no overseas players. Players like Snake, Justin, and Dieminion would constantly make top 8.
Holy Order Sol
Member
disable comments tho
theprodigy
Member
Smash 4 hasn't even been out for a year and it's got the most consistent top 1 of any game already
Kappa
This has been true for years now.
3 of 5 and being able to consistently leverage small skill advantages helps.
SF4 being 2 of 3, and a much larger top pool of players makes it less consistent.
Games with smaller pools of top players tend to have more consistent winners as there are fewer folks to push the top dog.
I do think read-heavy games also produce more inconsistency in results. You are going to make wrong reads on occasion.
He's a great personality, each time the dude talks, I wanna listen cause its hilarious.
Yeah, when you have teams that completely shut down other teams, it gets like that. Justin Wong is an anomaly though, dude can download someone instantly and body them. He plays Storm as a second, you'd think she's really good but Justin just makes her look good.
You need to explain this part. The rest of the post is accurate but I am confused as to what you mean by this.
Well, some games, if you just outclass the opponent enough- you can win on autopilot. I think Marvel is really like that. That's a huge plus in a tourney setting if you can progress through the earlier parts of the bracket without having to spend any mental energy.
I think the skill gap in anime-style games (such as Marvel, SG, GG) is very strict, and you can crush a lot more easily. SF4 it's easier for an inferior player to get lucky- and get a person to the point they have to start concentrating/thinking about what the other guy is going to do. It's harder to crush folks. (VF, KOF, and SamSho are also like this)
I don't know man.. some top players would disagree with that. There's always a dark Vergil in the pool that can ruin a top player's run or a Zero player. There are always some crazy team combinations in pools that you have probably never played before.
Pool play has actually been pretty vicious for Marvel lately and lots of body bags have been put out. That's because the player base is more concentrated now... there are less players playing the game but those who still play are all killers. So you have to be on point even in pools.
I think what top players have over other near top players in Marvel is experience. They travel a lot, they have seen a lot and thus are more equipped to handle all the various combinations that you might see in pools. I know people see the same Doom/Vergil stuff on stream but the reality is that there's still enough of crazy shenanigans going on in pools like a Wolverine player backed up with Bolts that can give even Justin Wong trouble if he's not seen it before.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Satyamdas has been saying this stuff for years between bouts of profanity but he's banned so nobody could hear him say the truth.
Free Saty.
Da Juice Is Loose!
I guess that conversation is over my head.
The only way an opinion like that could make a difference is if it came from a proven top player like he said. If Momochi/Daigo/Tokido etc said what he said, then people would listen more...maybe.
Coming from Juice the trolls will just point to "you haven't won shit. gtfo here."
I guess that conversation is over my head.
The only way an opinion like that could make a difference is if it came from a proven top player like he said. If Momochi/Daigo/Tokido etc said what he said, then people would listen more...maybe.
Coming from Juice the trolls will just point to "you haven't won shit. gtfo here."
WesternHeretic
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It's hard to get lucky 3 times out of 5 games though if you're an inferior players. Dark Vergil/Zero can only get you so far that's why Marvel went away from 2/3. I think we can all agree that the shorter the set the higher the chance for the underdog to win.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Everybody knows he's a beast at SF4, though.
Exactly this, seeing a Hulk/Shuma player in my pool freaked me out. I had experience against hulk but never with both of them together. Its frightening to see a combination you haven't faced before. I'm honestly surprised people aren't rocking Mag and Strange together, there was this one player in Bum's house that was using the team and by god was the level of swagnus so high.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Marvel is FT3 because its fast enough for tournaments to allow it. Has nothing to do with the format of the game. People didn't quietly critique marvel from afar and said that the game needed longer sets. They were just copying Yipes...like pretty much the majority of Marvel's entire competitive culture.
People trying to commentate or speak on forums by using lingo relating to food got annoying real fast.
That's a thing I like about marvel- there is always a chance you run into something you haven't seen before and you are forced to adapt on the fly. It's happened to me a couple times (getting blown up by Haggar with log trap assist haunts me to this day
).Side note: I keep hoping the era of Doom subsides a little because I've always believed he's the second best assist for a bunch of the cast, but everybody picked him because they were too lazy to learn the more optimal team. Nova/Spencer/Doom is straight up inferior to team Nemo but people still run it. A guy here used to run Nova/Doom/Vergil, but recently swapped Doom for Strange on that team and I think it's quite possibly a better team. Unibeam is a great assist, but people are too lazy to learn Iron Meng, etc. etc.
Many many players requested FT3 marvel. It wasn't just parroting Yipes. It also doesn't change my mind or address my point about marvel being more consistent than sf4 despite having fewer 'rounds.'
SloaneRisette
Member
West Coast tournaments generally stink for me because all the good stuff starts happening right when I have to eat dinner generally and school the next day and having to wake up at 6 am stinks
Professor Beef
Banned
It should be said that the majority of people just wanted "more marvel" as opposed to what actual top players wanted.
Karsticles
Member
Like I always say, Street Fighter is way more random than Marvel.
SloaneRisette
Member
Marvel is just chaotic
Lol
Juice, what about SF4 makes it like that where spastic players get far even though they maybe bad at "SF" but good at "SF4"? What would Capcom need to do so this does not happen in SF5?
This is true- players wanted FT3 as they believed it a superior tournament format, but stream monsters (in the 'when's marvel?!' era at least) just wanted more marvel period, so everyone's interests aligned and we got the better format. An instance of stream monsters (accidentally?) being a force for good in the world?
True- I beat Sako that one time!
@Smed: Don't agree that marvel is chaotic. I think 'punishing' is the better word. Small mistakes/miscalculations cost you matches very easily. At low level play, both players make lots of mistakes, so at that level can indeed be chaotic. Very high level play is anything but- for example, if somebody thinks Justin's matches over Chris G for the evo championship were chaotic, they just didn't understand what's going on.
CountBlack
Member
You're one of the good ones Kadey.
Juicebox_FGC
Member
Character select screen.
If I'm the best Dhalsim in the world and you're an average Yun, the game practically encourages you to not give a fuck about any of the decisions I make. Our skill gap is irrelevant. The game is completely different if it's Dhalsim vs Bison, Dhalsim vs Ryu, etc.
In order to make this not happen, they have two choices:
1) better character balance (lol)
2) Have more universal movement and close range options that allow tactics to be covered in multiple ways, encouraging a more thoughtful approach. (aka turn it into KOF)
The big thing with SF5 is going to be toxicity, especially with PC players mixing in with console players.
If I were Capcom, I'd disable voice chat while playing and design the game so autofire/macros have no impact, just like how Skullgirls does. I think that would be necessary to reduce the negativity. I hope Sony lets Capcom do that.
as for above post:
Could option #2 be done while still keeping it SF enough to not turn people on the game? SFA and SF3 both were very controversial in their day.
I do think you're hitting on something, in that oki is too risk-free in general. I don't think there should be situations where you get highly effective and free pressure. Highly skewed risk-reward in the attacker's favor is good, but it shouldn't be zero risk. Defender needs to be able to mixup as well on wakeup, and delayed wakeup isn't sufficient mixup.
Professor Beef
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"God's Beard!"
Member
One of the things that attracted me to KOFXIII was the pace of play and movement being similar to Jojo's, but I really missed the craziness from all the extra game systems.
SF4 is already a slow and defensive game though. It's already 'the life lead alone is a weapon' the game sometimes.
Somewhere God's Beard is nodding and agreeing with what you're saying in a non-ironic way.