It would work if the message didn't pop up until they woke up. Right now it looks like one can setplay and beat both options.
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Fighting Games Weekly | April 14-20 | Some Permutation of "Daigo is Da Bess"
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It would work if the message didn't pop up until they woke up. Right now it looks like one can setplay and beat both options.
Oh hey, just realised I'll be able to watch NCR finals, thanks for Monday being a holiday!
I'm both happy to see Makoto getting ranked so high for the moment, and a bit disappointed: this won't motivate me to change main to Poison or Decapre.
I still wonder how the change to IAT now being -3 on block makes her now, though, as it was a damn good (and fun) pressure tool...
I'm both happy to see Makoto getting ranked so high for the moment, and a bit disappointed: this won't motivate me to change main to Poison or Decapre.
I still wonder how the change to IAT now being -3 on block makes her now, though, as it was a damn good (and fun) pressure tool...
Doesn't seem like that's the case. The technical message to me looks like it pops up when the character is getting off their back. It's too late by then to make a decision to cover the options.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Are you seriously complaining about one of the worst characters in the game getting a few small buffs?
Big Band has some of the coolest animations I've seen of any fighting game character.
Will jump back into SG for this even though I hate charge characters.
More or less. Characters with good setplay tools I listed are going to be able to adjust on the fly. We've already seen footage of Ibuki doing this. The big people getting hit are characters who weren't intended to have strong setplay tools. Like with Sakura, I can't adjust an unblock or meatie fireball set up on the fly. Her setplay took a big hit. Similar thing goes for characters who can't alter set ups once they've jumped or committed to an option.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Pretty much & delay wake up completely fucked his already mediocre mix up game.
Why do you think the persona 1.1 patch is disappointing? What are the real issues with the game that arcsys should be addressing?
I don't like how nuts the damage and pressure get and the disparity between the top tiers. Like, just going off this list, Narukami got a slap on the wrist. His nerfs will change some things, but it will hardly affect what he's doing to people. Same thing with Aigis. They made it so CH DP doesn't turn into a safe jump and nerfed SP Spear. Cool, I agree with that. It still doesn't change anything about any of her MUs, she still has the best mobility and mix up and still deals too much damage. SLab is a mess of a character and she barely got touched at all. I agree with a lot of the nerfs they've got, but I feel like they are just giving them easily noticeable nerfs without actually addressing the problem.
As far as damage goes, there are just too many "make one mistake and die" situations that keep happening. Once any character gets meter, you're just going to die if you get hit. The top tiers especially do this, and they're still going to be doing this with the same neutral as before. I wanna see less dominance and damage, less just straight up super powerful options and kuso stuff happening.
Vanilla was a pretty good game, the only real problem I have with it is setplay. Well, they removed the setplay but then just gave characters absolutely ridiculous tools and damage. Now you don't even get setplayed, you just eat something and die.
That's odd, I wonder why I couldn't find it. Thanks though.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Why do you care so much about the balance of a license Kusoge fighting game? What, are you going to start complaining about imbalance in Naruto UNS & Fist of the North Star next?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Just like Marvel
Deckard Cain
Banned
Niether is Marvel. How's it feel?
It feels fine. But for those games that are getting one merits discussion on it.
UltraDavid
Member
i dunno why people refer to patches to arcsys games as balance patches. they never seem like balance patches, they're just change patches
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I honestly blame P4U for kokonoe being a busted piece of shit. Her power levels are the same exact type of dumb shit you expect from that game. Thankfully she's just dumb in 1.1
Wut
This is true. In fairness, I'd say a good chunk of the decisions they made aren't bad balance decisions. I just feel like they didn't do enough.
So thats how lawyers confuse the fuck out of the jury.
sixteen-bit
Member
maybe search is on a delayed refresh?
I've had it happen where I search the forum and the newest posts don't appear
UltraDavid
Member
they seem to just nerf some stuff and ignore some stuff and buff some stuff without an eye to actually balancing things out. or if they're trying to balance, i dunno, maybe their bb and p4 teams are just bad at it? anyway a "balance" patch is a misnomer imo
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
They are pretty bad at it honestly. They do a better job when they just throw shit in the kettle and see how things rock.
Like I have no clue why the hell Tager and Makoto got any nerfs outside of them nerfing them for low level play reasons. Which is honestly stupid. But for the most part in 1.1 a lot of the top characters did get slapped. The problem is a lot of them just have naturally strong toolsets where the only way to stop them from being really good *not that they should* is to nerf their damage into nothingness and such.
"shit game"
Marvel
Deckard Cain
Banned
Shit
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
That's silly, but how often are you actually blocking her 5b standing in 1.1? Her lows are crazy and she lost her instant overhead j.C right?
Means shit game.
Garbage game. Kusoru is famous for playing those.
True, I'm just doing it for comedic timing. It's even in the description that it's not super great. She still is going to be the best character and crap on everything and be way too strong, but it's better than her being a giant wet fart sound.
OldKingDoran
Banned
Its time
Maybe they were secretly good, and so needed secret nerfs.
Reminds me of those secret Jill nerfs.
When you play against tager you are no longer playing BB.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Mak was good in the sense that she hit you once and it became a guessing game and you got 2 or 3 guesses wrong you lost. Tager sorta the same I guess?
Which is frustrating for low level players. There have been plenty of matches where I just get one hit with Mak and just keep going. Problem is in 1.1 her damage is getting slapped on the guessing game part so they get more guesses. It's already hard for her to get that one good hit in to start up the guessing game. Giving them more chances to get out sucks.
Also Valk, Tao, and Litchi all did the Guessing Game thing better and Koko well you didn't even get to play the guessing game
So honestly the only reason I can see for her nerfs is her ease of use as well as players being frustrated at the hit into orb stuff.Vigilant Gambit
Member
I thought that was revealed to be a level 3 super infinite?
Ragingnight
Member
I wonder what the whole alpha counter being nerfed to 2 frame was all about. Probably the whole zero/Jill/X-23 and etc getting a full combo off of it but nobody uses it really.
yeah. silky question, where was that girl from with your previous avatars?
Pretty much. P4U2 changes are at least evident of this.
That was actually an intentional part of their assist design. I thought we did eventually figure out an answer or were told what it was, though.