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~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
i have no problems with XFactor conceptually
change it per character, but its part of the game
change it per character, but its part of the game
atomic moth
Member
Everyone should just play Hokuto
Yes, resets are a better option, but you're not trying to nerf TACs by making the entire mechanic pointless and make everyone use resets instead. That isn't balance, and balance is hard to hinge on how reactable a TAC is unless you've got some millisecond numbers to throw out that are tried and true. As an additional option that you still want to make viable, the TAC changes do not solve one of the biggest issues of the current TACs and introduce a new one.
I do agree they need to be actually reactable, but that doesn't really solve the rest of the issues immediately when you do get a successful TAC.
Yeah, ideally it's more of a roman cancel + custom combo kind of thing than a straight damage thing, but I personally think the damage bonuses are fine. Maybe slightly reduced (I'm with the 15-20% reduction), but when you do that you have to take into account individual bonuses characters get.
Jesus christ man... the changes don't introduce any new problem. Plus TACs are still useful for a hail mary tag out option if you need it and is usually a safer option than a reset (you might get happy birthday'd from a reset).
Shouta
Member
You mean it isn't already? Serious talk, UMVC3 already has so many cross/mix-ups and ways to bork open folks along with the damage that if you did no chip, it'd probably not big that big of a change. I actually like the no death on chip thing from P4A (I think it had it right?).
At least, if the game renamed the same as it is right now. If they did other changes, then it'd be just fucked up, lol.
matty2Dfraud
Banned
only thing i think they need to change is giving a full punish when breaking TACs. I want them to keep the infinites.
Oh, and of course tweaks to any character that can get a one touch kill... zero, vergil etc.
Oh, and of course tweaks to any character that can get a one touch kill... zero, vergil etc.
matty2Dfraud
Banned
If you're blocking you're losing. a good defense can't last forever in marvel. i'm fine with this.
I don't know why they aren't addressing the utility hyper + X factor stacking issue. I mean they did address it for a bit but they didn't come up with a suggested change for it. I mean clearly they recognize that Vergil getting 200% damage boost with both those buffs is a huge problem.
Magus continuously dropping brain cells... "please no more brain dead invincible alpha counters" lololol
Magus continuously dropping brain cells... "please no more brain dead invincible alpha counters" lololol
Parallax Scroll
Banned
nerf alpha counter
we should also get rid of hsien-ko gold armored assist. that shit is broken
we should also get rid of hsien-ko gold armored assist. that shit is broken
Hey if you like dying 100% from chip damage then by all means leave that shit in. I said either or. It's Marvel fuck balance.
It already is the funniest fucking game. You can 100% kill someone in like 3-6 hits in lvl 3 xfactor.
You know theres games with no chip damage, and significant low chip damage right?
It already is the funniest fucking game. You can 100% kill someone in like 3-6 hits in lvl 3 xfactor.
You know theres games with no chip damage, and significant low chip damage right?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I don't that's why I do it to other people. Make you feel like shit
That's a problem with specific characters like MorriDoom not the overall game.
Man that Vajra nerf is brutal but I like it. Add more recovery after block so it's easier to punish him but it's the same overall.
I like the changes to Strider, make him a more point-centric character over XF3 derp anchor.
Master Milk
Member
Not being able to die from chip damage would work instead of no chip outright.
what
I'm so glad I'm not watching this, and instead just living vicariously through the thread.
Successful TAC allows you to get a free extra combo which you can then use to set up another TAC into a potential infinite loop. This is a problem any way you look at it for promoting the overlow of meter in the economy and having a potential infinite consisting of a series of semi-reactable rock, paper, scissors. Okay maybe not entirely new but it's easier because of reset hitstun than the current TACs, and it's still an unresolved issue from the changes.
I'm saying get rid of this. Maybe compensate for scaling by increasing up TACs damage bonus, but otherwise all it does is promote the same excessive meter gain even AFTER you've reaped the rewards of the TAC itself. You should get a tag with a chance to complete whatever combo you have or TAC for a final time and that's it. That and limit the number of TACs per combo to 2.
Don't worry I am filtering out the random knee jerk suggestions.
Strider's Vajra should cause a STAGGER!
Everyone else = LOLOLOLOLOL
Oh you are asking for a limit on TAC exchanges. That's fine, I am cool with it.
matty2Dfraud
Banned
most of these changes sound retarded. make TACs fully punishable. tweak zero, vergil etc so they can't get one touch kills. tweak meter gain during morrigan's super so she can't chip to death as easily. that's it.
If they mess with the game too much it won't end well. everyone crying for changes will just bitch and not want to play the game anymore... when they get what they asked for.
If they mess with the game too much it won't end well. everyone crying for changes will just bitch and not want to play the game anymore... when they get what they asked for.
toddhunter
Member
I don't like these designations that characters HAVE to fit a mold between point/assist/anchor. Why not just make them good characters?
On another note, what's the best way to send suggestions since I know the Hsien-Ko portion could use it.
Edit: Dah, what was the Vajra change?
On another note, what's the best way to send suggestions since I know the Hsien-Ko portion could use it.
Edit: Dah, what was the Vajra change?
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
lol people keep ragequitting on Floe in Injustice.
Either Twitter or Stream monster it up.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
'We have to nerf him"
smh...
smh...
ViewtifulJC
Banned
ya'll niggas stay talking about these pie in the sky marvel updates
ya'll niggas stay talking about these pie in the sky marvel updates
ya'll niggas stay talking about these pie in the sky marvel updates
I entertain the discussions because I like knowing the process of design for fighters as a developer in progress. Nothing more, nothing less.
Karsticles
Member
The big problem I can see coming with "no chip damage deaths" is that character could raw tag out for free, and characters like Hawkeye, Morrigan, and Arthur would be mega ass as anchors. It would take a huge amount of rebalancing to make that rule okay.
This is exactly it. If I cared enough to argue with FGTV, I would spend all of my time arguing for 3 good assists per character. Every character has it in them!
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Guys who dont play any other characters talking like they know...
Getting rid of quick work assist for a beam SMH
Man Champ letting his bias getting to his judgment. There is no fucking way he should be getting a hard knockdown after his 3 teleports.
The assist change is what everyone wanted so that's good.
The assist change is what everyone wanted so that's good.
That's not the change, they are changing UP guns for straight guns. Everyone who plays DP wants this change.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
That's what everyone does for everything ever.
SolarPowered
Member
Sounds like the stream needs some Z balancing.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Deadpool's zoning is fine
the gun assist thing is so obvious, like day one shit.
the gun assist thing is so obvious, like day one shit.
This I am okay with. I thought Magus just said they were replacing that assist for another guns assist.
EDIT: HSIEN-KO IS UP
Karsticles
Member
I'd like for it to be a level 1, personally.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
....magus
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I liked the idea of delaying DP's level 3 super flash until it hits. Makes it sneakier and harder to react to.
Gotta admit, minion-ness aside, I really really prefer Mike Z's approach to characters just from a "reading on paper" standpoint. (Then again, I did kneejerk 'nope' when I first heard of the headless Ms. Fortune air dash nerf).
OMG they got one of her buffs right!
SolarPowered
Member
I hate watching this.
Fuck Capcom and all the clueless people
COME AT ME, MR.PUPPY! BibleThump
Fuck Capcom and all the clueless people
COME AT ME, MR.PUPPY! BibleThump
Mike gave her extra damage on useful normals and changed up her light punch DP to be a bit more useful. Also, he is reducing the chances of her head getting knocked off and he made the head recall like 2x faster. At least it's not like Capcom where they take away good shit and give you fucking new items for a toss. /salt
"God's Beard!"
Member
Get rid of the malfunction altogether. DIO BRANDO RETURNS
Yeah, I sat down and digested the change and realized it was really really good, especially if you think of Fortune as a stance type character.