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Wesker (and Taskmaster) are the true, honest Ryu type characters of MVC3.
Karsticles
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I think he likes Viper last because of YOLO EX moves.
also add shogun and those are the 3 i'm thinking of (i forgot about wentinel)
and in terms of competitive viability he's pretty bad imo- it's not a matter of straight tiering as he's strong against much of the cast but rather tournament tiering as you're extremely likely to run into all of the best chars very often in tournaments- especially the best chars played by the best players in a major setting
also lol at wesker being honest, he's still really silly and dumb but that's what makes him fun in the first place.
honestly if you wanna talk about 'strangely absent good/formerly common characters' i think phoenix is my choice. she adds a massive dynamic to your team that is really draining to everyone who isn't absolutely a top8 contender. not just in the sense of dark phoenix, but also in the sense of bizarrely good she is as an anchor and how it forces players into an offensive role
Time to trade him for Viper. We can make things right, there's still time.
biosnake20
Member
Hey remember when yipes was considered a god in mvc3? Yeah, good times.
when the hell was this?
Wesker is a FAIR AND HONEST character!
XF3 Wesker still dumb though.
No it's him, RayRay and Cosmos as best in the Northeast. There's no undisputed king of the Northeast.
There are more good Phoenix players than Wesker players these days. There will always be a Phoenix in top 8 because of FChamp.
Phoenix requires that you actually know how to play Phoenix without Dark Phoenix these days which is why someone like Neo can't get top 8 at EVO with him. Phoenix was common when you could get cheap anchor wins with her without much thought or skill. Now those players have migrated to Vergil as their go to cheap win condition.
Phoenix's main problem is that Vergil is a better Phoenix in most situations. I say most because there are certainly quite a few situations where it's preferable to have Phoenix but overall you are just better off using Vergil (until it's get to the point where everyone is running Zero/Wolverine/Firebrand).
Reposting from the Ultra Street Fighter IV OT. I will try giving the Shoryuken ebook in the OP a read.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Haven't watched marvel much in recent months, is this what the metagame has devolved into? I blow up all sorts of competitive puzzle games for the same reason and marvel dying due to no patch gets put into perspective when you say it like that.
notworksafe
Member
many moon ago
That's what I thought, but Honzo made it seem like he was.
biosnake20
Member
When he won like winger brawl or some shit and was actually doing well for like half a year. Pretty sure a bunch of people had him in their top 5. And the top 5 back then were the "gods".
Eh Yipes was never god status... the 5 gods have always been Justin, ChrisG, FChamp, Flocker and PRRog. Yipes was always that guy you could debate for 6th place as being near god but never true god status.
i mean, it's always been like that? i dunno how much it's really devolved as the entire nature of marvel 3 is that things snowball like crazy off solid hits
defining 'fucking up and then losing' is a bit rough in this case 'cuz all games have that at every level (even the top) so ????
hell, i'd love for folks to define what 'outplaying' in marvel is to them anyhow
biosnake20
Member
There was a time where flocker was mostly forgotten by people until he actually showed up to a tournament. During that time yipes was considered a god by many. Especially because no one was giving Chris real trouble except for Yipes and maybe Justin and champ. It wasn't for long but he had his time. I guess you could also say we had a looser definition for god back then.
Karsticles
Member
You're right that Flocker wasn't always one of the gods, but I don't think Yipes ever was. He was always a fan favorite. Early on, people didn't even use the phrase widely. Viscant, for example, was never one of "the gods" despite winning Evo. It took a few Evos before people started talking about a dominant 4, and by then Yipes wasn't a top contender.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
The earliest "gods" I remember people talking about in umvc3 were Chris, Justin, Champ, Rog, and Yipes.
This is back when Yipes ran Dante/Vergil/Magneto.
This is back when Yipes ran Dante/Vergil/Magneto.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Yipes' "god" period (according to fans back then) was before either Flocker or Nemo had really made a name for themselves in Ultimate yet. In the US anyway, in Nemo's case.
Wow... I wonder who will win this time! lolAlso heads up for those heading to EVO, gaf member Rotanibor is hosting the Vampire Savior side tourney again this year!
At this pace, it's looking to be the biggest VSav tourney outside of Japan. I'll be playing and so will Haitani and a bunch of other killers (Note: I am not a killer). Also shoutouts to Mad Catz for hosting the finals stream!
If you wanna join in or want more info, hit up Roty over twitter by responding to this: https://twitter.com/ROTANIBOR/status/620678249593466880
biosnake20
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I think before yipes won a tournament he was considered really good but not god status. People would always say he's just not good in tournament but a god in casuals. Then when he won like two tournaments people put him in the god list for a while but he eventually dropped off because he couldn't produce results anymore. Him doing so good against Chris also impressed a lot of people because it seemed like no one could stop him at the time. Then he dropped off and flocker started winning more consistently and graduated to god.
No problems with JWongg, Chris G, F. Champ being the 3 dieties of Marvel 3.
I always considered PR Rog a step below Justin and F. Champ, but I can still see him be a god.
Flocker though? I was present at Evo 2013 and Flocker winning was such a hype killer that I even forgot why Flocker was on stage in the post event signing session. Tbh I haven't really followed the scene since 2013 and I don't know if Flocker's won majors since then. If he has, then I'm wrong and he deserves the god status too.
I always considered PR Rog a step below Justin and F. Champ, but I can still see him be a god.
Flocker though? I was present at Evo 2013 and Flocker winning was such a hype killer that I even forgot why Flocker was on stage in the post event signing session. Tbh I haven't really followed the scene since 2013 and I don't know if Flocker's won majors since then. If he has, then I'm wrong and he deserves the god status too.
So around the time he won summer jam against chrisg then? Man its hard trying to think that far back lol getting stuff confused. I was thinking around Capcom Cup 2013 for my previous post.
Out of the characters you like Hugo is the most conventional and you'd probably be forced to learn a lot about spacing, pokes, punishing and execution through him. El Fuerte's style is very much unlike any other characters and Gen's two different styles can be complicated for the vast majority of player, at all levels. Huge has some difficult combos and terrible matchups though. On the positive having to play against strong zoning characters as Hugo will force you to learn how to be patient and look for openings. On the negative side it will force you to get zoned out for 60 seconds and then pushed away once you get close while you learn what to look for and do in certain situations.
A lot of people would also suggest learning one of the more fundamental focused characters like Ryu, Chun-Li or Balrog. They tend to be very well rounded and are more "honest" than a lot of the cast so you won't have too many crutches to fall back on. You can also see the results of improving your execution rather quickly with them which is really satisfying. Since you like Fuerte's speed maybe you'd enjoy someone like Cammy as well.
Karsticles
Member
Clockwork 2014 article is a fun flashback:
http://www.brokentier.com/blogs/news/13326705-marvel-gods-a-breakdown-by-clockw0rk
Yipes was always around the same level as Fanatiq, and Fanatiq was never one of the gods.
http://www.brokentier.com/blogs/news/13326705-marvel-gods-a-breakdown-by-clockw0rk
Yipes was always around the same level as Fanatiq, and Fanatiq was never one of the gods.
AH, now this I can agree with. Everyone talked about Yipes' play at his house, and how it was night and day in performance. Hahaha, that's a great memory. I don't recall him ever being called a tournament level god, though, and I don't think I ever placed him there.
Flocker won the beach right over winning EVO and was still a dominant player until EVO 2014. Then in post EVO 2014 and until EVO 2015 he basically just disappeared only to appear in the last two majors (in one he got bodied and in the other he made top 8).
He obviously hasn't been keeping up.
He obviously hasn't been keeping up.
Aside from the Flocker/PRRog stuff, this article is more relevant today than it was last year simply because what Clockwork said here is now more true.. the gap between the gods and the next batch of player is not that big anymore. This is why I am personally excited for this year's EVO, there will be some god slaying to be seen.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Speaking of players rising and falling... It's funny that when they did that Season's Beatings East vs West 5v5 in vanilla, ChrisG didn't even make the cut for team East Coast.
Karsticles
Member
I wonder if him quitting EMP had anything to do with his practice rate.
That said, Yipes isn't even my personal "people's champ" anymore. That title goes to Clockwork, and it has for some time.
you a crazy amigo, wesker is silly as hell- he's just really straightforward in the application of his silliness. he's like wolverine levels of 'fair/honest', just with significantly less relevant tools vs. the best chars. and wolverine is stupid as shit once he's in a favorable position
also yeah, what i'm saying is 'i wish more people played/used anchor regular phoenix because boy howdy she is really good'- i used to play her for awhile but my char loyalty basically makes it so that i can't have a team that actually supports the ideal gameplan i'd want out of having her on my team so it was never as fun with that in the back of my mind. as folks get more competent at the game and incoming mixups become grosser and grosser, phoenix's free-ish escape is an insanely underrated tool given how strong she is as an anchor character otherwise.
and pr rog definitely isn't a "god" and probably never was (at least, to me)- he was good but never 'untouchable' in terms of a johnny doughnuts like myself potentially beating him. when you fight those guys who are just that good you really get a feel of just being massively outplayed at every second and that wasn't the case for me vs rog. if he's a god of anything, it's the god of turning fuckups into victories but that's not really the same thing as the other 3 guys imo
soulsynapse
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/r/StreetFighter tournament sign ups are up again
hurting for sign ups before evo, who knew? http://redditfighting.challonge.com/nae14
hurting for sign ups before evo, who knew? http://redditfighting.challonge.com/nae14
biosnake20
Member
Man ChrisG's vanilla team was straight butt cheeks. Wasn't it like ryu/wesker/ammy or some shit like that? Way too fair of a team in that game and he still produced results with it. He won a tournament and got plenty of top 8's with it.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I think it was even earlier than that. 2012 maybe?
Capcom Cup was the last really awesome performance by Yipes, I think.
Karsticles
Member
Names from this that I really want to see on stream (besides the gods and Clockwork):
Persia
LLND
Nemo
Frutsy
Abegen
Angelic
JJJ
NoahTheProdigy
Kinderparty
JEO
*remembers numerous people dying to jump Tatsu L + Wesker assist "unblockable"*
Shouta
Member
Fucking up, even a little bit, hurts a lot more in Marvel since combos can lead to death even at high health. Where choking it up in say, SF for example, has a much lower chance of causing you to lose the round/match except in specific situations. At the very minimum, it usually costs you a ton of place, way more than other games.
Getting outplayed would entail not being able to answer what your opponent is doing offensively and defensively, It boils down to whether you are are at their mercy not when it comes to those choices, I think. This doesn't quite as often in Marvel because of the death combos but the best example off the top of my head would be when Fchamp plays against any Haggar and is just zipping around the screen with Mags to avoid pressure and to deal damage that Haggar can't do anything. That's getting outplayed, to me.Not the joke outplayed but an actual outplayed, lol
rare footage of poongko not angry and is actually grooving
http://www.twitch.tv/poongkotv
http://www.twitch.tv/poongkotv
i'm not poongko
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Yeah, Chris was good enough at that point that him not making the team was controversial. Despite his kind of crappy team he was already the king of air throws IIRC. People were asking why he wasn't included when this "Flocker" guy no one had heard of made the team instead. And then Flocker demolished the west coast team and Noel (team captain) took credit for scouting him out.
Karsticles
Member
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I'd say he's at least outplaying them at the strategic level. That includes character selection.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
that's correct, Dahbomb
In some cases yes, in some cases no.
IMO winning a 9-1 match up isn't out playing, it's playing on par.
You could make the case that character selection plays a part in out playing of course.
IMO out playing in Marvel is where you get beaten in the space control warfare and then be read like a book. To me every time Justin Wong is whooping on a Zero team, he's thoroughly out playing them even though to the untrained it looks like Wolverine doing what Wolverine does best. Jan beating Full Schedule in the first set was Jan thoroughly out playing Full Schedule and then when FS beat him, it was the opposite.
Karsticles
Member
It's only a 9-1 matchup because of the decisions being made.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Yipes, Flocker, PR Rog were always below the top 3 because they didn't travel as much and were more inconsistent. Time tells a different story because Rog and Flocker had periods of time where they were on FIRE, and times when they were fumbling or not as engaged in the game. Yipes had a ton of great performances marred by a ton of tournaments where he was in hangover mode clearly. This is part of the reason why Flocker and even to some extent Rog and Yipes don't get the respect for their skill.
I think you can make just as good of a case for Combofiend in those ranks. Overall the God thing is a bit forced like it needs to be like it was in the MvC2 era which was much different and longer.
I think you can make just as good of a case for Combofiend in those ranks. Overall the God thing is a bit forced like it needs to be like it was in the MvC2 era which was much different and longer.