Hated by the community. Ps3 port got destroyed by a patch. People just pushed for st in the end.
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Fighting Games Weekly | June 1-7 | QAisTopTier
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Shouta
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The problem I have with ASW games is that they put a lot of systems on top of airdasher fundamentals and crazy move sets/designs. It's juggling a lot of things at the same time, making it harder for folks that just don't click with it. While KI has a lot of systems, it's grounded and has a very street fighter-esque design to normals, making it easier to jump into.
It's actually why I'm a litle sad that Persona wasn't balanced better throughout it's lifespan as it's basically an ASW game that's largely been trimmed. There are still some stupid normals in it but it's easily the most approachable despite having just as many systems as BB or GG.
It's actually why I'm a litle sad that Persona wasn't balanced better throughout it's lifespan as it's basically an ASW game that's largely been trimmed. There are still some stupid normals in it but it's easily the most approachable despite having just as many systems as BB or GG.
Chun Li's stats seem to be much better overall than Nash's.
Uh. I have no idea. Eryu? Akuma? Nobody's quite the same as Ken
The Lone Dragon
Member
Suplex animation ISN'T Guile's, BTW. If you look at them side by side, this one is a totally different animation.
I enjoy pointing that out. A new game filled will new animations. The way it should be.
You mean you have to jump through hoops to use an incompatible, old stick from a totally different console on PS4. That's not Capcom's issue. Are you going to blame global warming and the dying bees on Capcom, too? They're a software company, not a hardware company. Go whine to Sony and MS about that.
And, "it's Capcom"...compared to what, exactly? NRS online has way worse than Capcom's. And, you have to just through the same hoops to use incompatible sticks in MKX. Heck, you can't even USE PS3 sticks in GGXrd at all.
Sony should really get that shit sorted at system level.
Karsticles
Member
She isn't Platinum, so praise the Muses.
Every game needs a balance of "unique" and "derivative" characters to appeal to different people. Hell, I would love an entire cast of weird monster creatures for a game, but that game would probably never be made despite repeatedly being teased, or, despite being amazing, with the best feature set of a fighter ever, relatively unloved by the community.
I hope my references are understood.
You need normal characters for normal people.
Coffeeling
Member
The point is that the LabZero driver can function smoothly on a PS4 - use a PS4 controller to boot the game, done. After that generic USB controllers will Just Work(tm).
It's Capcom compared to stuff that's actually available and implementable. Compared to Skullgirls, KI, 3SOE, etc. I mean, good enough is good enough, but it never hurts to demand the best.
For starters, let's remove NRS from the equation here. I don't care what they do. Let's talk about Capcom.
It is 100% Capcom's responsibility and issue to make sure this works. A different, smaller indie team did it for free in a very simple manner and offered the solution to any company for free use. You're making it sound like some monumental deal and trying to deflect responsibility. If this backwards compatibility isn't in SFV then Capcom has failed badly; repeatedly we have been told it is up to the game developer to ensure backwards compatibility with hardware peripherals.
So cut out the strawmans and stand up for yourself as a consumer. And yes, Capcom has a history of fucking up some really simple stuff so it is not at all unreasonable for any consumer to distrust them screwing up something really easy that's been done by the little guys years ahead of them.
Ugh, just reading your post reminds me of all the SFxT apologists and excuses being made. Just the worst when consumers willingly argue towards being exploited by a company.
The Lone Dragon
Member
Both Capcom and NRS tried to use the Skullgirls driver and got the current results.
So, how does that translate to "it's Capcom"?
Why do you people talk like other companies don't exist when you go into criticism mode? As if Capcom is the only company doing these things that you supposedly don't like? SF4 isn't even CLOSE to the first fighting game on next gen. Where was the outrage when all those other games didn't allow old gen sticks?
NO.
Because, to do that is literally missing my ENTIRE POINT.
AND THEY USED IT. Which means the willingness for Capcom to use this functionality is there...which is a 100% good thing.
I don't give a fuck what NRS or any other company does or how they fail. They're not my problem.
All you like to do is pull up comparisons without addressing the actual problem. "This company fucks up, so it doesn't matter if Capcom fucks up" has no meaning to me. All that matters is that Capcom has the huge capability of fucking up, so I fully expect them to fuck up the SFV stick support.
Also FYI, the arcade stick peripheral became popular with the release of SFIV, so no one cared about backwards compat because for the majority 360/PS3 arcade sticks were their first one.
Any more revisionist history and comparisons to other companies you want to use to justify fucking up? I'm here all day.
And they fucked up the implementation!
...QED?
Hell, even if they copied NRS's solution, to me that is still a monumental fuckup. In fact that's even worse when an easier implementation is right in front of you.
Karsticles
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Maybe you aren't aware, but MikeZ put out a video showing the driver properly implemented with zero issues. It's unquestionably the fault of Capcom and NRS.
NRS, ASW, and BAMCO still have better features than any capcom game does. They have have so much to prove. Just because you expect something from them doesn't mean I should. I expected SFXT to be a good game, and not a fucking garbage pay to win shit show with dlc on the disc. I expect bare minimum, safe as hell capcom as usual.
All parties involved are at fault. Just because Capcom and NRS are software companies doesn't mean they should be ignorant of what the hardware is capable of. They were given an easy option to deal with it, but they chose the hoop option.
Used it wrong.
So I just got home from work and saw it, and I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but JUST IN CASE no one has said anything:
Skullgirls is 80% off on Steam at the moment. Brings it down to $3. Characters are also 80% off, which makes them a buck each.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/245170/?snr=1_4_4__40
Oh, and it's free to play through Sunday.
Skullgirls is 80% off on Steam at the moment. Brings it down to $3. Characters are also 80% off, which makes them a buck each.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/245170/?snr=1_4_4__40
Oh, and it's free to play through Sunday.
The Lone Dragon
Member
Wow, and people call me a "blind Capcom lover."
This makes you a "blind Capcom hater", then.
Like, you literally only focus on the issues of one single company, without any consideration of the overall gaming environment beyond Capcom's walls. As if Capcom lives in a vacuum.
They don't.
What a ridiculous approach to...anything.
?
But, NRS, ASW, and BAMCO have ALL ALSO had on dis-
You know what. Nevermind. Nyoro's post has opened my eyes. I now understand the mindset around here a little more.
While it goes against the GG mythos/design to do so, I'm totally cool with this. MJ inspired characters never fail to be fun to watch.
Nice work at avoiding everyone's counterpoints and accuse me of being company-biased like a true slimeball. If that's all you've got then typing to you was a waste of time. Go improve your career in politics where another company screwing up somehow absolves Capcom of also screwing up.
ASW doesn't get a free pass because they release the same game over and over till they have all your money. They are no different than capcom. The only difference is ASW is more upfront with what you pay for. Just because Leo and Elphelt is on the disc doesn't mean I'm entitled to them. The SFXT shit was purposely held back content so they can sell them to you in a pack later. It isn't just one or two characters IT WAS 12. That is huge in a fighting game.
NRS and Bamco at least give a lot of free things to the consumers. TT2 as a complete package was amazing.
ShinMaruku
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『Inaba Resident』;166170056 said:
Almost every match is an uphill battle, but god dammit, I'm sticking with him
Great points. And interesting character choices. I think too often some people don't understand the play style that speaks to them the most and they hurt their growth.
The Lone Dragon
Member
These sentences are all over the place.
the driver situation is just odd because I have never ever seen another example of having a peripheral (fighting stick) linked to another peripheral(DS4). Even if the object is to link it to a PSN account, I'm wondering why that is necessary in the first place.
It was just plug and play, and I don't link it to an account, what is the big deal?
It was just plug and play, and I don't link it to an account, what is the big deal?
I'm losing my shit for this E3 with all these rumors...
Lol, I have an eye for rush down.
Someone hold me.
Lol, I have an eye for rush down.
I don't understand how SFxT characters on disc is any different from Leo and Elphelt, other than timing. If you don't think you're entitled to Leo/Elphelt, why would you feel you are entitled to the SFxT characters?
What rumors?
I don't. It's different because capcom never sold characters as dlc before. SFXT was a rush job, and them being on the disc just made the problem with the game and the pay to win gems even worse.
Two characters don't change the game that much, but 12 is an entirely different game.
Dark Souls 3... I'm losing it.
We gotta wait for the details. After DS2 I'm feeling pretty mellow.
Dark Souls is a fighting game so it's OK to discuss in FGW. It has pretty interesting footsies
Eh, guess it depends on who you play. I pretty much play Leo exclusively, so one character is a huge change, especially in a game with far less characters than what SFxT launched with.
sixteen-bit
Member
Is Capcom usually hella leaky? No new chars for E3?
Professor Beef
Banned
Well people DID stop buying the games. I wonder what the digital numbers were like for the Virtual Console releases on 3DS? That would probably tell you how popular he still is.
No new kings field. Forever sad.
Define normal in both instances.
CSEX was a grand disaster; at least people expected CPEX and it comes with more than CSEX.
As has been explained and, in fact, repeatedly demonstrated by Lab Zero, if you just straight up integrate the driver all you need to do is plug in the stick and it just works.
Everything that's happening with Capcom and NRS's implementations is because they decided they didn't want to allow people to play without also having PS4 controllers plugged in for each player for profile-related reasons, and specifically added a layer for that, but that's not an actual requirement of the PS3 stick driver.
SquirrelSoup
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Having three DLC characters (one unlockable in game, one free the first weeks and one paid for) is pretty different from having -twelve- DLC characters (all paid) in my opinion.
That said, ASW is still pretty terrible with DLC and releases.
Juicebox_FGC
Member
I'm gonna have a seizure. Screen shaking and flashing like crazy.
Shouta
Member
Karsticles
Member
They stopped buying them because Capcom was treating the franchise poorly. They were basically using Mr. X's suggested strategy of "let Capcom know we won't take low quality crap", but it killed the franchise.
No.
And didn't that 100k for MML3 on Facebook only get like 50k likes? lol
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Seemed to be a whole lot of new mega man fans after capcom "killed" it
/shrug
If it weren't on disc and was presented as just an update, it would have pretty much been "Super SFxT." The issue argument stems from the perception that "on disc is mine."
Really just a matter of degree for what you find tolerable. I have no problem with either approach.
I played hours of the Virtua Fighter one In yakuza 4 just trying to figure out how to actually win rounds. I couldn't imagine paying real money for that experience.
Professor Beef
Banned
How were they treating the franchise poorly? They were releasing games until the DS versions of Mega Man stopped selling because of franchise fatigue, and then it was cameos from there on out.
This too, LMAO
I doubt even half of that 50k would've actually bought the game if it ever came out.
"I'VE ALWAYS LOVED MEGA MAN...NO I DIDN'T BUY THAT ONE...OR THAT ONE...OR THAT ONE...YES I'M A FAN, WHY DO YOU ASK"
We gotta wait for the details. After DS2 I'm feeling pretty mellow.
Dark Souls is a fighting game so it's OK to discuss in FGW. It has pretty interesting footsies
That's probably the best way to approach it, I honestly feel like the enemy AI is really lacking sometimes since you can just circle around them... The footsies and reads are everything in PvP though.
I gotta play Kings Field so I can see what the hype is about lol, Dark Cloud too.
lol
The problem I had was that they held back complete characters for the Vita release. That part was particularly annoying for me.
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