DryEyeRelief
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Momochi and Tokido were among the best in SFxT as a console exclusive so there's that.
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Fighting Games Weekly | June 15-21 | 16 is barely okay
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They're not CHing the jab, if they were doing that then the throw would be unbreakable. They input the jab at a timing that you would be in throw tech state, then once the jab is out of start up (3~ frames I'm guessing) you input throw, and throw whiff can't come out so a button is there. Apparently the system that buffers throw doesn't extend to infinity too, so if you do it early enough the throw shouldn't come out.
Basing this off what Nerdjosh was saying.
TRM as a rule would do it, but that's unintuitive and excessive.
Juicebox_FGC
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I dont know why they dont just disallow inputs during startup, active, and recovery frames (except directional buffer of course).
If I press a button, I shouldn't be able to tech a throw until that action is fully complete. That's how risk is created. That's why we wanna know if things are slow to recover or minus on block and whatnot. Jabs and shorts need to carry that slight risk too.
If I made a fighting game, you wouldn't be able to tech a throw unless you locked that action in (like Killer Instinct, a game that has a lot of good decisions outside of the combo system)
If I press a button, I shouldn't be able to tech a throw until that action is fully complete. That's how risk is created. That's why we wanna know if things are slow to recover or minus on block and whatnot. Jabs and shorts need to carry that slight risk too.
If I made a fighting game, you wouldn't be able to tech a throw unless you locked that action in (like Killer Instinct, a game that has a lot of good decisions outside of the combo system)
Well if you do this particular OS the jab doesn't exist in the throw situation, they would need the engine to recognize "jab was hit, disallow non-directional inputs for x frames" which might be a bit weird.
From what I understand of the OS, they aren't in startup, active, or recovery frames when they're in a throw tech state and that's when the jab is being pressed. Maybe the issue is that you can press a button during a throw tech window that isn't a throw and still tech afterwards lol.
They should just make the throw tech window 2f. :V
Coulda been worse. Coulda been Busch Gardens or some other struggle ass shit.
Juicebox_FGC
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The way I see it, you shouldn't get a throw tech window at all if you are grabbed during startup, active, or recovery frames.
You get that window if and only if you were grabbed while not in blockstun and while in a zero-input grounded state.
Perhaps what's going on here is that the initial button (crLP) is being pressed -immediately after- being thrown, then you time a crLK with just the right timing for the game to (somehow) recognize a throw input, which grants the tech. If no throw was initially attempted, the timing of the crLP and crLK inputs is such that the crLK is pressed during the crLP's recovery frames, preventing a throw attempt.
You get that window if and only if you were grabbed while not in blockstun and while in a zero-input grounded state.
Perhaps what's going on here is that the initial button (crLP) is being pressed -immediately after- being thrown, then you time a crLK with just the right timing for the game to (somehow) recognize a throw input, which grants the tech. If no throw was initially attempted, the timing of the crLP and crLK inputs is such that the crLK is pressed during the crLP's recovery frames, preventing a throw attempt.
Next one will be Seaworld, with a water stage showed off at the new demo.
KidA Seven
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Only nemo said that he didn't like Birdie looking very strong, but it was in a joking way.
Yeah, they're in a 0 input state when they get grabbed, then the jab input happens while in throw tech state, then the tech input happens while they're still in throw tech state. Since the jab can't exist due to being in throw tech state, the tech input happens and they break the grab.
Juicebox_FGC
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lol I JUST thought of that and edited my last post
But seriously, shrink that window or remove this crap, capcom plz
Bring up the crouch tech issue with Combofiend pls
Will do tomorrow
NerdJosh been going ham on the testing.
https://twitter.com/NerdJosh
Regarding the crouch tech. This is why it's working at the moment
Also
Awesome that all this shit will get fixed before final release.
https://twitter.com/NerdJosh
Regarding the crouch tech. This is why it's working at the moment
Also
Awesome that all this shit will get fixed before final release.
He probably already knows by now. Let's hope it's not meant to be there
It's not. I talked with Peter earlier and he said he wants an honest fighting game that's heavy on fundamentals not tech.
I specifically mentioned liking that crouch techs were out and he agreed to preferring that
Juicebox_FGC
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Actually, let me rephrase what I said:
I'm OK with late teching being a thing. But there needs to be a penalty of some kind.
In Yatagarasu a throw tech leaves you at a neutral state, but a -late- tech leaves you at disadvantage, similar to Soul Calibur 5 (without the tiny bit of damage). Also that game has a UOH you can easily combo off of, so anyone crouch teching too much -in any way- will get blown up with a simple mixup, no super-tight frame trap timing required.
Since SFV doesn't have a UOH (so far), there needs to be something there to even out the "advantage" that a late tech can give, or they need to remove late teching entirely. Make it a 4f or 5f window and that's it.
I'm OK with late teching being a thing. But there needs to be a penalty of some kind.
In Yatagarasu a throw tech leaves you at a neutral state, but a -late- tech leaves you at disadvantage, similar to Soul Calibur 5 (without the tiny bit of damage). Also that game has a UOH you can easily combo off of, so anyone crouch teching too much -in any way- will get blown up with a simple mixup, no super-tight frame trap timing required.
Since SFV doesn't have a UOH (so far), there needs to be something there to even out the "advantage" that a late tech can give, or they need to remove late teching entirely. Make it a 4f or 5f window and that's it.
It really looks like he's leading the development of this game, and this is fantastic! I love you Peter Rosas, please have my children
Obviously the best
why wait till tomorrow :X
E3 is over for today. You here btw?
This doesn't address the logistics of hosting gatherings in coffin-sized apartment spaces.
<3 come back to Toronto soonNo, I'm at work, and message has already been delivered to the people who need to know
QisTopTier
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Vulva teach me how to SF5 at EVO
Can't argue with that
Capcom used to do this back during 3. A little disappointed that they removed this from SF4.
Where's that comic of PerfectSalt complaining about other players getting more views than him when you need it...
another thing added to my list of questionable things Kimo does
Vulva, did you ask them my two questions? ;_;
another thing added to my list of questionable things Kimo does
Vulva, did you ask them my two questions? ;_;
why would one ruin coffee with cinnamon
Ily
Why would I jump down a few floors?
Your down-going is your ascension.
cant tonight, got some business to attend to and im waiting on it now lol
yo damn...
CountBlack
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You know, so long as I have the support of my people, I can bend FGW to my will and make this so.
#TeamDictator #TeamBisonFallBack
CountBlack
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Onemic, you learn how to jab lynx tail yet?
nope, Im still getting used to c.mp xx lynx tail. I can get it consistent in training mode now, but I tend to mess up in a real match.
c.lp lynx tail seems next to impossible lol
CountBlack
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ah, its free once you get it down. I think I gotta start using l. lynx tail now tho.. people have been catching onto how to punish m.Lynx