The question is whether its mental weakness or just dislike of the game. They are old - oldheads tend to not like new things.
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The question is whether its mental weakness or just dislike of the game. They are old - oldheads tend to not like new things.
It's a little thing, but still makes me scrunch my face up in disapproval to no one in particular. Set > Games/Matches > Rounds
Parallax Scroll
Banned
It's a holdover from esports broadcasting. In starcraft if they play best 2 out of 3 games, they refer to the games as set 1, set 2, and set 3.
Professor Beef
Banned
Which means he'd make a decent MKX player tbh. The game is all about rushdown and bulldogging people, and most of the cast have a way around zoning.
Lostconfused
Member
Learning fighting games is hard, maybe I should just play some regular old games.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
But spamming is a cheap move.
GAF:
Talk dirty to me about Rival Schools.
I missed out entirely on this franchise back in the day. I sadly didn't get into fighting games hard until vanilla SF4.
Some old school recommendations I have a lot of love for. (SF3, Dark Stalkers, Garou,etc)
It's remembered fondly, cool and large number of characters, 3D. Tardy counters were busted, made game dumb.
irfaanator
Banned
chick with the volleyball is cheap too
I'm gonna do that, I'm really liking the big guy with the little gremlin and Liu Kang. Gonna have to stop playing +R on my Vita to learn more about MKX ;_;
Professor Beef
Banned
I love MKX, but that damn block button is a pain to have to remember lol
GAF:
Talk dirty to me about Rival Schools.
I missed out entirely on this franchise back in the day. I sadly didn't get into fighting games hard until vanilla SF4.
Some old school recommendations I have a lot of love for. (SF3, Dark Stalkers, Garou,etc)
I don't think the actual gameplay is as cool as the premise/aesthetic but I'm no expert on it. I think Anne is into project justice.
https://youtu.be/9cFcRefKaWs?t=1956
Here's a video of me participating as the anchor in a Hawaii Smash 4 crew battle. Brought out my Duck Hunt.
Here's a video of me participating as the anchor in a Hawaii Smash 4 crew battle. Brought out my Duck Hunt.
Juicebox_FGC
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Immortal Technique
Member
Sonic Fox vs. REO starting now!
result:
result:
Sonic Fox 3-0, wins Week 1
You just spamming projectives, breh. That's cheap. ;phttps://youtu.be/9cFcRefKaWs?t=1956
Here's a video of me participating as the anchor in a Hawaii Smash 4 crew battle. Brought out my Duck Hunt.
But seriously, gj! Duck Hunt is underrepresented in competitive smash and projectile zoning can be interesting to watch (doing it and evading it). Last time I saw a good one was at APEX 2015. I'm confused about something though: why did your first opponent SD?
It was a crew battle, he lost a stock against the previous person up. So it's important not to just knock the other person's stocks, but to do so without losing any of your own so you have more room to breathe.
I dunno if this was posted already but I enjoyed their entry into the world of MKX online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aYaFwYLW9g
Yo lmfao!!!!!
KidA Seven
Member
I don't understand why they call commentators, "casters." Why not just call them commentators?
I rewatched the first episode of marvelous adventures and they were a lot better prepared. I just think their whole approach in mkx was weird, like they knew how much damage good players were doing, knew they should've spent more time in training mode, and knew they were getting smashed by bad players. They just kept being convinced they knew enough to get wins, from random frame data numbers on small chains, ignoring like... everything else. Its hard to tell if they were trying prove a point about bad players or it was just how it happened.
In raw. it's a bloodbath.
Smug, when he's on, is one of the most entertaining players to watch.
A big fat lol at that. Seeing them lose a bunch and being completely out of their element is hilarious, so they badmouthed Mortal Kombat X in the most gentle way possible, so what? Their own expectations or aspirations were instantly crushed and they vented.
They played like scrubs, but people getting butthurt over the last two videos come of overly sensitive Mortal Kombat fans.
Kalamari
Member
About incentivizing fighting game players, I originally had some thoughts, but then I realized the incentive from playing the game should be the enjoyment of the game itself, not some stupid arbitrary reward.
As far as motivating players to improve, nothing motivates more effectively than money. Maybe some Chinese developer will come up with an ftp fg and pump millions of dollars into a championship series and pray it gets people interested in buying character dlc.
As far as motivating players to improve, nothing motivates more effectively than money. Maybe some Chinese developer will come up with an ftp fg and pump millions of dollars into a championship series and pray it gets people interested in buying character dlc.
Does any one know how many games Ono is working on? His LinkedIn only said one exclusive PS4 game but I'm sure he's heading the helm with other initiatives since DIMPS is doing a lot of the grunt work for SFV. Of course he's leading design but he must have time to start working on another fighting game now... Mahvel 4 pls
The answer to a successful game, I'm surprised no one has the answer cause if we did, we'd be rich from making games lol
Gootecks forgot about the block button? Lol, I can't tell, either that or the high low game was too much for poor gooey
I guess its more about getting a bigger influx of players to stay playing the game. A revamped tutorial system with a very detailed trial mode for beginners would sound great. Then there would be a trial mode for actual optimized combos, hell have a currency system in the game that people can get without any "paying 4.99" BS to get a bunch of it to get colors, costumes, little accessories like headbands, hair style, etc. Trying to get them to stick to the game as long as possible. Possibly feature a bulletin that shows the latest tournaments that's integrated with twitch archives or ads for upcoming tournaments to get them into the scene. Other than that, pumping in money and continually updates/patches when needed would greatly aid the longevity of a title.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
For some people the arbitrary reward is what they enjoy about the game (see Call of Duty). I don't know if those are the type of players you want to court for long-term success though.
Lostconfused
Member
Sure you do. It will keep up the numbers up in at the bottom end of the experience pool.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Also I've been thinking about why there's such a stigma against habdouken spammers / cheesers, but then they turn right around and go "yeah it's totally okay for me to abuse this NPC's leash zone in Bloodborne". Not sure how to correct that mindset.
It's ok to cheese against AI but not against human players. There's no honor with the AI.
People don't know how to combat against it so they get frustrated. Instead of blaming themselves on their own shortcomings, they blame the opponent, hence the vicious cycle of a hive mentality in that "oh that player's just spamming, has no skill whatsoever" instead of actually thinking and saying "what could I do to make that move less effective and punish the opponent from spamming it"
I don't know about Bloodborne since I haven't played it yet but sometimes these stigmas are in the right since balances need to be made for overpowered moves. This isn't the case for hadoukens in SF.
Edit:
Seems like the direction you were heading in flew over my head lol
QisTopTier
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Those players are so shit i'm better off playing the AI
Slamtastic
Member
the AI is cheap too, all it does is read your input and counter you perfectly (unless it chooses to go easy on you and be dumb)
MisterLuffy
Member
lol
link?
call_kotaku
Member
A lot of people want challenge and real accomplishment, it doesn't mean they want competition. Losing 50 times in a row to an AI-controlled werewolf monster is different from losing 50 times in a row to a human being.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, and for a lot of people challenge and competition aren't at all connected, even if it's natural for people who play multiplayer games or sports very seriously.
Kalamari
Member
I agree, more players playing the game is always good, but it's tough to keep them playing. I am not even sure an in-game incentive system would be successful.
Tutorials can only teach so much, the pressure of a real match multiplies difficulty, there's no way to duplicate this without practice unfortunately. The best tutorials would help players get over the first humps of execution and strategy.
An opposing character tutorial might be good, something that gives players an idea of how to play against other characters. Not matchup specific tutorials, but just an opposing character tutorial where you can play any character against them. For example, the tutorial goal might be to successfully defend against a bnb, and then react with an combo that does a certain % of damage, something that requires some experimentation on the part of the player.
Or, maybe even a practice mode tutorial which shows players how to recreate different scenarios to practice against.
Fighting games in general don't have a golden carrot nor a freebie carrot at the end of the stick for non tournament play. You either play casually with friends or strangers and experiment, or you play to win and rub someone's face in the dirt.
Take games that are team based or where other people are playing towards a similar goal. In Call of Duty getting 55 kills and dying 4 times will be gratifying and satisfying, even though your team still ended up losing in a objective game type. In DOTA 2 there will be players that rake in a ton of kills but in the end their team loses. Even in defeat, you can feel some sense of accomplishment.
Which is why I love the ranking and XP system in VF5:FS and hate the point system in SF4. Even if you lose to somebody with a shit ton of experience and points in VF5, you gain some XP for your effort. Even if its a pittance, it doesn't feel like you're being penalized for being less experienced. Whereas every SF4 loss either feels like nothing happened or your experience was robbed.
Take games that are team based or where other people are playing towards a similar goal. In Call of Duty getting 55 kills and dying 4 times will be gratifying and satisfying, even though your team still ended up losing in a objective game type. In DOTA 2 there will be players that rake in a ton of kills but in the end their team loses. Even in defeat, you can feel some sense of accomplishment.
Which is why I love the ranking and XP system in VF5:FS and hate the point system in SF4. Even if you lose to somebody with a shit ton of experience and points in VF5, you gain some XP for your effort. Even if its a pittance, it doesn't feel like you're being penalized for being less experienced. Whereas every SF4 loss either feels like nothing happened or your experience was robbed.
AI in fighting games are the worst. Obviously the main appeal is playing against human opponents, but it's like there has been zero improvement in designing smarter\less cheap CPU opponents . "Higher difficulty" shouldn't mean an increase in the chances of reading your inputs or "reacting" to 3f jabs with dps, lol. And don't you dare try to play footsies. You'll eat an ultra.
This would be pretty awesome.
You just described VF4 Evolution's tutorial.
Link to thread?
SolarKnight
Member
Well that was out of nowhere.
Anyways, correct me if I'm wrong, but in this version Leo got mostly buffs but it's not really anything that actually helps him for the most part is it?
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Speaking of Bloodborne, I've been playing a lot of the PvP since they (kinda) fixed the matchmaking and it's garbage. Risk/reward on dashing and guns is too dumb and those things seem so central to the way the PvE is balanced that I'd be surprised if they really change it. Then there's the issues with lack of variety, etc.
Too bad because Dark Souls 2 PvP is super legit. Bloodborne has some masterful PvE tho. I'll be there day one for any DLC because the PvE is the truth.
Too bad because Dark Souls 2 PvP is super legit. Bloodborne has some masterful PvE tho. I'll be there day one for any DLC because the PvE is the truth.
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