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Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 1-7 | Opponent-Based Action Games Weekly
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The ax kick? I think it's just to build meter.
Watching it right now and holy shit. I thought the set would be 9 minutes long because of the video, but it was only 6 minutes for 3 games lmao. It's crazy how well Daigo shut down Adon's st.HK lol. That focus dash. x__x
Interesting. Guess I'm going to have to see how it all plays out then.
SloaneRisette
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That was painful
I also forgot to mention that rolls are supposedly really good, but I still have yet to hear how they're good beyond "oh they move faster now".
Less variety in move options = Less variety in match playstyle compared to other anime games.
Seemed like a reasonable statement to me although that was supposed to be the whole point of Persona to begin as people were getting a bit too overwhelmed with the crazy options in games like Persona.
Karsticles
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Sakurai is giving kill moves more lag. It makes perfect sense.
Yeah, coming from Brawl.
I want some video of a person just showing things like how fast shield rolls are now.
CountBlack
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lmao
To be fair, playing a fighting game is more like a job.
sixteen-bit
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shoutouts to smash bros
Shouta
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fell asleep before the ending because I thought it'd be going on tonight as well ffff
Evil Nemo rises
Oooh, Akutagawa is there. He's that Dudley I played at the Taito Station. He's SICK. Has the combos but his play is so damn clean and sharp. He made Nemo hate Dudley and impressed Tokido a whole lot by bopping him in 3/5 round matches, lol.
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RockTurtle
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
When is this? There are a lot of players listed that I want to see. :O
Shouta
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9/25 apparently
Oh yeah it says on the graphic. My bad, I didn't see it.
sixteen-bit
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DryEyeRelief
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There's no context to what he said. Matches in P4A tended to go pretty linearly because damage output and of lack of good defensive options, not the lack of them entirely due to simplification.
Also an issue with homogeneity doesn't really fit in line with the original topic which was about the game being "busted".
This is wildly inaccurate in so many ways lol. A lot of people misunderstand P4U, it's pretty nutty. Like, the game does have the "Oh shit, I randomly died" factor and I understand people not liking that, but like everything else people say about it is horribly uninformed.
Stabby McSter
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D WADE KNEES
Modern banlist discussions made me pick up quick hints to just ignore-list people. "Oh, you think SFM is a reasonable card?" This has actually become a handy tool for quick-sorting online social media and dating profiles.
The game essentially having only two "normal" buttons (+ the command DPs and such) made matchups blur together a lot, even when different players were involved, because the options weren't as diverse overall in most other titles. It was one of the natural consequences of making the game hyper-beginner-friendly and isn't inherently a bad thing given that they need to make it approachable to FG/Airdasher newcomers coming in from the Persona games.
Well, I think they just stopped trying to contain the nutty and just let it go nuts because they have Xrd/BB which do try to contain the nutty, so they let this audience have P4A.
They weren't DLC, nor were they console exclusives either.
Do you actually play the game, or just watch specific videos of it/listen to what outspoken people say about it?
I don't get this. Are Persona normals not normals? Why are they excluded?
Like, the idea that the MUs are linear because of lack of options is entirely false. There are plenty of options and MUs develop in interesting ways. The limiting factor in the first game was actually more about setplay being so prominent than anything else, that was kind of the oops of the first one(even then ways to mitigate setplay and approach the MU with that in mind happened). Setplay has been removed and MUs have developed a lot differently, just pressure and damage went up so sometimes that creeps in in a somewhat similar way, but it's not nearly the picture you paint it to be.
In this game, they actually went and heavily toned down/removed setplay like we all wanted. They added more options, chars, mechanics etc to make the game more interesting. The only real drawback is that they went too ham giving everybody stuff and now the game has a lot of nuts in it, but some people like that kinda nuts the same way some people like nutty shit in plenty of other games.
This is the kind of misinformation and crap that makes people make assumptions and dismiss a game. Please be more informed on something like this before you go on about it.
And then the game developed and Slab ended up going from bottom to top 5 over the span of the game.
I played P4A at the beginning, it was super-easy to pick up and play, I definitely saw my sister and her friends at least being able to play at a basic level (they liked the Persona IP) so I think it definitely succeeded at letting that audience access the game. It got boring for me to watch after a while in a way that BB/Xrd didn't, and that's my explanation for what I think is going on in terms of it not being the best spectator game.
What did they do to change that- I could have definitely mis-attributed the linearity to the wrong thing, at least I wasn't crazy for seeing it.
(I feel like we agree re: linearity/nuttiness, actually.) I'm negative not to be a Deckard Cain and fling crap just for the sake of it, it's just that we're getting a crazy amount of games competing for people's time and money right now.IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That was interesting read so I really hope that people will find out more things about Smash 4 tonight. It's last day of demo then we wouldn't hear more about the game until release date unless the store decided to break the release date.
I played P4A at the beginning, it was super-easy to pick up and play, I definitely saw my sister and her friends at least being able to play at a basic level (they liked the Persona IP) so I think it definitely succeeded at letting that audience access the game. It got boring for me to watch after a while in a way that BB/Xrd didn't, and that's my explanation for what I think is going on in terms of it not being the best spectator game.
What did they do to change that- I could have definitely mis-attributed the linearity to the wrong thing, at least I wasn't crazy for seeing it.
The big offenders in vanilla were Chie/Narukami. Their D buttons were easy setplay that was strong, so they nerfed those buttons into oblivion. Mitsuru had 50/50 setplay that was directly removed. SLab's hard knockdown options were heavily limited, etc. Again, yeah these made the game sometimes have linear games, but the neutral was so prominent and good and MUs still were interesting. Setplay still exists for some characters, but it's much less prominent and pronounced. Okizeme has moved more to a safejump > reestablish pressure type game.
The thing is, the game actually always has a lot of options made available to the player in a really simple way, people just didn't know all of them. The game has 4 normals (D is usually something not exactly a normal though), a "dust" command, rolls, hops, burst, awakening meta, individual character mechanics, IB, guard cancel, now guard cancel roll, now shadow mode, etc. but people who don't play seriously tend to boil it down to just a couple buttons and DP. So you have all that, then you have a very solid and pronounced neutral game that on top of that.
Over time, all of this developed in a really cool way. Like to mitigate Chie oki, you could hop on wake up and force the Chie to alter her confirm, or you'd eat a small amount of damage and get out of pressure. Mits pressure could be IBed in way that she had to restructure what she wanted to do. Fuzzy jump/throw OS made pressure structure change in a way to deal with it. Aigis 5B blockstring could be IBed, and then fuzzy blocked on top of that. People figured out Teddie's neutral and his MUs got worse over time as a result, meanwhile SLab was becoming optimized and took his spot in top 5.
So, I don't really think the game is linear at all or even all that simple. I just think a large majority of players saw it month one, then didn't learn anything past that and assumed it stayed mostly the same.
P.S. I'm not like upset or anything, I just like explaining this and putting it out there because it's a pretty common thread with P4A. I don't want people to not understand how this game actually goes and then just dismiss it.
But if you don't actually mean the internet apology, what's the point?
I'm totally open to owning up to when I'm wrong and am willing to change my mind when provided with better data/alternate explanations. I trust AnneIFrank on the linearity complaint's origin here because of her experience with the game and genre, for instance.IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
DryEyeRelief
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But if you don't actually mean the internet apology, what's the point?
I think it's more that the onus is on Anne in the first place to clean up for you being completely baseless. You gave a incredibly vague reason for your otherwise preconceived view of a fighting game and are still clutching on to it because AnneIFrank gave you something that slightly resembles what you said before. (Not really)
Already better-implemented with Gems in a way that makes it not-suck in tournaments.
Hopefully it's very quick/easy to play with.
Praise Miyamoto, it doesn't involve Amiibos.
I don't have much confidence that characters won't just have a single "best loadout" when playing competitively.
I found the game really repetitive to watch. I probably ID'd the wrong thing as the culprit. Totally owning up to that.
PA2 appears to have really nutty damage/combos/craziness in general. I don't think that's in dispute.
I don't think people should pick up PA2 if they want to play "what everyone else is going to be playing in 6 months in tournaments" - I still think this. I think you should pick it up if you like Persona, like the game, like the characters, etc. It's also great if you like that type of hyper-over-the top damage/combo system. I'm not saying don't pick it up if you don't like these things- you very much should, this game is for you! But I think for the player who wants to simply be playing and investing training mode time in the game that's being played every week - I suspect this game's going to have trouble competing with the other offerings in its category for people's attention.
Great! This was the one thing I was worried about with custom moves.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
time for five minute character selects
Good. I hope they get used competitively. From a (casual) player standpoint, it'd make mirror matches less annoying to play if your tools aren't exactly the same. As a viewer, it could make certain mirrors not as boring to watch
That's what the Amiibos are for! I could actually see that working out damn well in a tournament setting... just connect the character to the console and it downloads whatever configuration you use.
I thought Amiibos in Smash were purely for your shitty AI friend?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
they're purely for people who have money to blow
Bullshit, there will be at least a few dudes who will end up selling their plasma to afford Amiibos.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Which custom move makes falcon's knee 0 frames recovery?
I actually know somebody who went to sell plasma so they could afford a new stick.
I won't judge, it's how I pay for textbooks I can't borrow from a friend or the library. Struggles being real, povertyGC , etc
Ye, I feel the actual struggle is ;; I do question using that money on gaming controllers though.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
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