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[Dahbomb]

Tier lists are fun when you're discussing them with intelligent people. The problem with that is that tier discussions often take place on the internet.


I've always preferred character matchup charts, myself. Matchup discussion is way more productive (and foundational for tier lists) than pure tier talk.

Well some fighting games don't have single character match ups (MVC2, Skullgirls, MVC3) so having a match up chart for those games is a bit unrealistic. You can't chart out every single team in UMVC3 and make match up charts out of it.

I would even contest that except in very extreme cases team match ups are very fluid in these games. A good match up can turn into a bad match at almost the drop of the hat when a character dies (ie. Full Wolverine team loses against a full Zero team but if Zero dies then the Wolverine team has an immense match up advantage).

This is why in a game like DOTA 2 match ups aren't factored in. It's not irrelevant because match ups in Mid heroes is very important but they are a small factor in the whole dynamic of a match. You could lose mid badly and still win the game... likewise you can lose the point war horribly in MVC3 and still win the game.

 

[atomic moth]

I can't find it anymore but Nohoho used to have a blog that had an amazing ST tier list compiled from the weighted opinions of recognized players using their mains. No old characters though except for possibly Old Sagat.

Edit: http://www.strevival.com/strategy/rankingchart2013/

 

[isamu]

In case everyone isn't aware, Justin Wong now streams on TwitchTV:

http://www.twitch.tv/eg_jwong

I have to say I really respect this guy more now, after watching his stream over the past week. He comes off as really down to earth and genuine. He also plays Street Fighter IV and MVC3 *with* his stream audience which is mega cool, and talks and interacts with them all the time while playing. Also plays different games in fact he was just playing Shovel Knights last night.

Gotta give props to Mr Wong. For a huge E-celebrity like him he really seems like a cool, down to earth dude.

Now if only we could get Daigo to stream

 

[Kimosabae]

Well, I obviously wasn't thinking of team based games when I made that post. But yeah, I think you can have a matchup chart based on established competitive teams.

 

[Ragingnight]

In case everyone isn't aware, Justin Wong now streams on TwitchTV:

http://www.twitch.tv/eg_jwong

I have to say I really respect this guy more now, after watching his stream over the past week. He comes off as really down to earth and genuine. He also plays Street Fighter IV and MVC3 *with* his stream audience which is mega cool, and talks and interacts with them all the time while playing. Also plays different games in fact he was just playing Shovel Knights last night.

Gotta give props to Mr Wong. For a huge E-celebrity like him he really seems like a cool, down to earth dude.

Now if only we could get Daigo to stream

wong is pretty humble for the most part. He was like that at FFA when I met him for FFA last day.

 

[xezuru]

Now if only we could get Daigo to stream

Exclusive 24/7 Daigo Cam Live Beta Footage

 

[Flying High]

If anyone is interested, there is a sale on PSN for capcom games, and it has fighting games mixed in too https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/capcom-sale/cid=STORE-MSF77008-9_CAPCOMSALE

 

[isamu]

wong is pretty humble for the most part. He was like that at FFA when I met him for FFA last day.

How do you know he is being humble? Or are you being sarcastic? And what do you mean by FFA? He doesn't play Final Fantasy Arealm reborn.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I would compare destiny to PSO or Diablo before I compared it to what people think when they hear mmo.

I heard people call pso a MMO. That is when I put them in the box.

 

[mbpm1]

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[atomic moth]

CFE is 5 bucks

 

[Ragingnight]

How do you know he is being humble? Or are you being sarcastic? And what do you mean by FFA? He doesn't play Final Fantasy Arealm reborn.

Family Fun Arcade. Also you can tell by how he was talking to randoms and giving tips.

 

[isamu]

Family Fun Arcade. Also you can tell by how he was talking to randoms and giving tips.

Ahhh I see, my bad,

Justin just told us he is going to Japan tomorrow. I wonder if it's for a tournament? If so, maybe he'll fight against daigo?

 

[xiceman191]

Just how bad is the cvs2 on psn cause I want it but i heard it isn't perfect. Also thinking about okami, d&d, and RE4

 

[Beckx]

Justin just told us he is going to Japan tomorrow. I wonder if it's for a tournament? If so, maybe he'll fight against daigo?

Who's gonna tell him?

 

[jbug617]

Ahhh I see, my bad,

Justin just told us he is going to Japan tomorrow. I wonder if it's for a tournament? If so, maybe he'll fight against daigo?

yeah he is playing Daigo in a exhibition this weekend. It's going to be streamed on twitch.tv/madcatz

 

[NEO0MJ]

Just how bad is the cvs2 on psn cause I want it but i heard it isn't perfect. Also thinking about okami, d&d, and RE4

If you haven't played Okami or Resident Evil 4 I suggest you play those first. Okami especially, it's a pretty unique game.

 

[Shouta]

Ahhh I see, my bad,

Justin just told us he is going to Japan tomorrow. I wonder if it's for a tournament? If so, maybe he'll fight against daigo?

You've been taking your sedatives, haven't you?

 

[Kumubou]

The anime and video game club at my college was like this. They started to only Tekken because none of the serious people played it.

We had a similar problem with the videogame club I was a part of in college... mainly because regardless of what fighting game someone picked, there was always 1-2 people who would just destroy everyone else. We ended up intentionally going with a game no one was familiar with... GGXX!!! It actually ended up working out rather well, in the end.

You've been taking your sedatives, haven't you?

It's only Street Fighter, it's not like we got him talking about Ridge Rac--oops :dead:

 

[foxuzamaki]

Fuck the 3DS version

 

[Uraizen]

A 3S player doesn't like SF4.

This is new.

Don't worry, they'll make SFV with 3s players in mind.

Spoiler

lol

Sounds kinda like Blazblue, where you literally cannot play ca character other than the way the developer intended you to if you want to win.

Yeah, like how Izayoi is meant to be easy to use and intended for beginners.

Next level anime trolling

My hero.

 

[isamu]

yeah he is playing Daigo in a exhibition this weekend. It's going to be streamed on twitch.tv/madcatz

Very nice jbug, thanks for the heads up and the link bro! Will be tuning in for sure!

 

[isamu]

You've been taking your sedatives, haven't you?

does it seem that way?

 

[Kimosabae]

Fuck the 3DS version

you broke your stick, didn't you?

 

[Fiktion]

you broke your stick, didn't you?

He mad because Ice Climbers.

 

[Kimosabae]

He mad because Ice Climbers.

He would've broke his stick Wobbling. Sak did him a favor.

 

[Karsticles]

"No cheap bullshit throws, okay?" - My brother on Soul Calibur II

"Yeah you can play. You're not a wavedasher are you?"

"You aren't one of those people who uses cheap unblockables with Firebrand to 300% a team off of one hit, are you?"

Scrubs.

 

[Sigmaah]

"You play Zero? what a cheap/scrubby character you're not good if you use him" -GAF

 

[Kadey]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Next level anime trolling

does susumu play xrd?

 

[Jazz-ism]

shouta you gonna be at TGS this wknd?

 

[RockTurtle]

You have the best Guy i've ever seen - Justin Wong 2014

 

[theprodigy]

"You are Zero? what a boring style you're playing, I feel like I'm about to fall asleep" -me

dunno seems accurate

 

[vulva]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

My best wishes with you and their family

 

[petghost]

Sounds kinda like Blazblue, where you literally cannot play ca character other than the way the developer intended you to if you want to win.

Maybe it's my ignorance but I kinda agree with this. The character designs themselves are so creative but also very very specific and I think this encourages really flowchart play. In gear you got guys who are some of the best at their characters while having really strange quirks that would seem counter to the intent of the character design ie DC the Johnny who gets rid of all his coins in like 10 seconds. The designs are open enough to allow vastly different styles of play while still being successful.

 

[Dlent]

Capcom sale right as Jojo is removed from the store; coincidence? I THINK NOT!

 

[Passive Assassin]

Capcom sale right as Jojo is removed from the store; coincidence? I THINK NOT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70utG1L5bfU

 

[Sigmaah]

dunno seems accurate

U buggin bruh let a nigga play his character in peace

 

[casperOne]

Ahhh I see, my bad,

Justin just told us he is going to Japan tomorrow. I wonder if it's for a tournament? If so, maybe he'll fight against daigo?

 

[Professor Beef]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

My condolences.

 

[The Last Emperor]

In case everyone isn't aware, Justin Wong now streams on TwitchTV:

http://www.twitch.tv/eg_jwong

I have to say I really respect this guy more now, after watching his stream over the past week. He comes off as really down to earth and genuine. He also plays Street Fighter IV and MVC3 *with* his stream audience which is mega cool, and talks and interacts with them all the time while playing. Also plays different games in fact he was just playing Shovel Knights last night.

Gotta give props to Mr Wong. For a huge E-celebrity like him he really seems like a cool, down to earth dude.

Now if only we could get Daigo to stream

Lmao how much he pay you?

 

[QisTopTier]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

 

[BakedYams]

Exclusive 24/7 Daigo Cam Live Beta Footage

Mind games.

Additional footage

He doesn't care.

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

It ain't easy, its really difficult. You have my condolences.

 

[SloaneRisette]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

My condolences Kadey, really sorry to hear that

 

[irfaanator]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

 

[Astarte]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

Oh christ I'm so sorry. It's hard, it really is.

 

[GeoNeo]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

My condolences.

 

[.la1n]

Nothing is worse than sitting around waiting, watching the last hours of someone dear to you. I don't think I'll catch TGS this week but I hope the U.S boys do good.

I know the feeling and all I can say I am sorry.

Capcom sale right as Jojo is removed from the store; coincidence? I THINK NOT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfALC7tdCAY

 

[Dahbomb]

"You play Zero? what a cheap/scrubby character you're not good if you use him" -GAF

Top tier complex.

Kadey you have my condolences. I have been in that situation many times so I can feel the heart ache.

 

[Kimosabae]

Turning the corner on 30 and I've been fortunate enough not to lose anyone close to me. Good luck, Kadey. My condolences.