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Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 29 - Oct 5 | 4th place wins a cake

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oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
Mr. X said:
I wish short combo, high damage fighters were in style.
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Kadey

Mrs. Harvey
Still can't take away from the fact Henry is one of 8 players who got a Golden TE and the only person on the East Coast with one. Not even Justin got one.

Happy Birfday Q Dawg.
 
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enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
vocab said:
I find it funny that there's people who are genuinely upset that mvc3s online is ruined because of the save editing shit. Like it was amazing before that.
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There's a pretty significant difference between the quality of the online there. One is a playable state which at least two EVO champions got most of their matchup experience from, the other is a potential, perpetual waste of time. Nothing silly about that.

Coffeeling said:
People nowadays blame business models way too damn much instead of focusing on the product. To put my example-cat-for-eternity, the Wii, on the table, most of the games industry was super busy figuring out new business models so they could make more money. Nintendo's model with the Wii and the DS was as traditional as possible: Discs and cartridges in a brick and mortar store, and a console that was just a box to play games. The success was all about having a good product, something others neglected. They blamed everything under the Sun and tried to invent new ways to sell their stuff, when the core problem was the stuff they were selling. Yet the product was never blamed.
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I definitely agree. I gets annoying hearing [game I like] didn't do well because [blame other games here] especially. Just comes off as insecure. I have a tendency to try and rationalize things too, but it doesn't always have to require classifying every gamer that didn't support that game as being mentally deficient or something. Sometimes, products have problems. Even my favourite games have some pretty big problems, whether they're immediately apparent or not.

Kimosabae said:
"Everyone" and "always" notwithstanding; I don't think that's naive at all and it's pretty deflating to hear someone in your position articulate this. It's not about getting people to play your game as much as its about getting them to understand it, so they have some appreciation for it. People only attack shit they don't understand. That's what initially inspired me to start FGC threads, here. I saw Smash/3D/2D game players attacking each other because they didn't fundamentally understand each other's games, making the most ignorant of comments. I'd like to think there's been progress on Neogaf (and the scene at large) since then, and I like to think this thread is proof. Hell, even the mods were pretty damned bigoted back then.
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Well, perhaps I should have prefaced those comments by saying I'm a pretty big cynic; I think that's a losing battle that's only really remedied with age/maturity. It's like fighting shitposts, essentially, as people lack humility when they enter the discussions and do not intend to exit them with anything but more people cosigning their opinions. I had a really long discussion with a few of my best friends (who are on GAF as well) on this topic and at least a perceived decline in the quality of internet discussions in big communities, and I think it just comes down to a lot more younger opinions being over the 'net nowadays, as the internet has never been so accessible. That's sort of the idea behind GAF in general, gate out those types of posters, but more will get through nowadays. It is what it is.

I'm not trying to be high and mighty here either, because I contribute to a lot of the same shit I'm criticizing and I'm sure people can pull my card like anyone else's with a quick google. But shit, I try to do what I can to encourage some more of that positive discussion in these threads, especially considering these threads have grown a lot since being a place to talk about Guard Crush. Primarily, trying to make this community less inclusive and less of a haven to shit on people outside of this community by adding resources for new players, as I think that's toxic. I'm not sure what more you can do or other ways there are to promote that understanding and discourage attacking other games, but I'm open ears.

QisTopTier said:
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Nintendo better than FGC confirmed.
Kappa
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Damn WTF, I thought Q was like my age or something. Happy Birthday homie!

CPS2 said:
I can see Kimo's point but I think its actually one of the worst things that tournament players unconsiously do. Like for the bigger games they naturally have their community built up, strong players emerge, tournaments have interesting finals and there's a period of time where people care about who the best players are. And you have a chance to get to the top while the game is still relevant. But while I like SF4 and still play a lot, I really don't think it should be where it is at tournaments as a main event.

With some games you can just tell its not gonna happen and they won't be close to the top spot, so if you're competitive and dont want to be a big fish in a small pond, you can tell which games are a waste of time. But there's some that should be way more popular than they are, and for me thats pretty frustrating to see. Like I think Marvel should've been way more popular in Aus and Tekken should've been way more popular in the US.

The reason why I say this, is that the worst possible thing that could happen to the "FGC" is rejecting Capcom's next game and sticking with SF4. And I actually think there's a good chance that this will happen. That's why their next fighter shouldn't be SF5, it should be Capcom Allstars and play like Marvel because I think that game won't be rejected. But... Dimps is working on the next fighter so I think there's a high chance we're going to see another SFxT. And considering that, imo its probably better to move on to Xrd (series) or something else that looks like it could have a better future.
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Yeah.. you are absolutely crazy if you think anyone will stick with SF4 when SF5 comes out. I don't see what Dimps has to do with it either. Like others have said, the game could be straight caca and it will replace it.

SFxTK was only supposed to replace SF4 if you had a Mike Ross shrine in your closet and bought Cross Counter's digital content to put in your porn folder.
 
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SixMachine

Member
Mr. X said:
I wish short combo, high damage fighters were in style.
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Usually pokes are more better in these types of fighters too. Like in KOF13, you can poke but it takes so much to win off it and converting into a combo is so much better. I remember reading on SRK where people having some discussions about how pokes and fireballs have relatively done less damage over time for games like Street Fighter and KOF. Like Benimaru in the old KOFs usually had a very good poking game, he still does in KOF13, it's just that the difference between a combo conversion and a poke is quite a lot, that I doubt you would see someone win off just his pokes alone, because it would take about at least 10-12 pokes to win.
 
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alstein

Member
QisTopTier said:
Because most people in threads like that are casuals, more than fighting game fans buy fighting games as weird as that seems.


Also I feel like shit and want someone to take a shotgun to the side of my face *not really*
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Or they like the parts of fighting games they consider more fun. Give me a low combo game like a KOF98 or a SSVSP over an anime game every day of the week.

I really think the time spent on learning combos is the most unfun part of fighting games. I'd rather be in Elo SF4 ranked mode Hell playing Blankas all day than do that, and I use Hawk.
 
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xiceman191

Banned
alstein said:
Or they like the parts of fighting games they consider more fun. Give me a low combo game like a KOF98 or a SSVSP over an anime game every day of the week.

I really think the time spent on learning combos is the most unfun part of fighting games. I'd rather be in Elo SF4 ranked mode Hell playing Blankas all day than do that, and I use Hawk.
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I find practicing combos is just like practicing your jump shots. People tend to over exaggerate the amount of time it takes to learn a combo. People act like it takes weeks or months to learn combos but usually if you have a good understanding of the combo system and a good sense of timing you can learn most combos fairly quickly.
 
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CPS2

Member
enzo_gt said:
Yeah.. you are absolutely crazy if you think anyone will stick with SF4 when SF5 comes out. I don't see what Dimps has to do with it either. Like others have said, the game could be straight caca and it will replace it.

SFxTK was only supposed to replace SF4 if you had a Mike Ross shrine in your closet and bought Cross Counter's digital content to put in your porn folder.
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A lot of you seem to agree so I won't argue but, it should've become irrelevant by now imo. And not by SFxT, SFxT just makes me think people won't like SF5.
 
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Azure J

Member
All I want from my fighting games are a wacky cast with cool movesets, good movement options and a snappy pace. It's really the reason why I constantly champion Smash (Melee/Project M specifically) and feel as though Vampire Saviour is the best game of the 2D mold despite it's age.
 
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QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
I love combos, it's a fun flashy reward for opening your opponent up and even better when they lead to different set ups at the end. You can have all the other crazy things about fighters while having pretty long combos look at gg or bbcp. Many casual players want instant gratification. They will cry about shit regardless, if there are no long combos they will cry about a character or move spam they can't beat.

I mean shit if you can't take a few hours to learn a few bnb just play something more simple. Like dive kick or something because almost every fighting game has combos.

Also bringing up sf4 in combo talk as a goid example never makes any sense to me as it has tons of super strict combos
mbpm1 said:
I thought Q was a teenager. Wat
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Wut
 
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alstein

Member
xiceman191 said:
I find practicing combos is just like practicing your jump shots. People tend to over exaggerate the amount of time it takes to learn a combo. People act like it takes weeks or months to learn combos but usually if you have a good understanding of the combo system and a good sense of timing you can learn most combos fairly quickly.
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It's different for different folks, just like learning how to play neutral is different for different folks.

Also as you age you get less tolerance for grinding combos.

As for SF5, I said it wouldn't as successful as SF4 because history tells us the followups to the most loved games of a series (SF3, SF Alpha, SamSho3, KOF99, Tekken 4, KOF2k3) often end up falling short as series. It's possible Capcom bucks this trend, but we're talking Capcom here. They don't exactly have the most stellar rep these days.
 
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Retro_

Unconfirmed Member
I think the common complaints about long combos just stem from how people tend to overvalue neutral game and undervalue the strategy and decision making behind the combo aspects of most modern fighting games.
 
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oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
Mr. X said:
I got CH with that in VF5FS and I'm positive I lost that much health.

Luckily the damage is high enough that coming back from such a blow is possible.
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Yeah it's filthy, especially on side turned counterhit. something like 70% dmg, although i don't have the exact amount handy.
 
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DryEyeRelief

Member
CPS2 said:
A lot of you seem to agree so I won't argue but, it should've become irrelevant by now imo. And not by SFxT, SFxT just makes me think people won't like SF5.
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Oh, so that's what you meant. I considered that but I guess I jumped the gun with how everyone else responded to you.

Yeah I can see that possibility.
 
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Karsticles

Member
Retro_ said:
I think the common complaints about long combos just stem from how people tend to overvalue neutral game and undervalue the strategy and decision making behind the combo aspects of most modern fighting games.
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Long combos suck in a lot of ways:
1) Training mode to master input sequences instead of playing.

2) Impedes learning new characters.

3) Takes a 2-player game and reduces it to 1 for a while.

4) Increases predictability once a character is hit.
 
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Azure J

Member
smurf over here running through the entire Disney Afternoon roster and making me fiend for some Ducktales, TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck and Rescue Rangers. Would also love some Goof Troop.
 
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smurfx

get some go again
has there been less events lately compared to last year? feels like the after evo drought never ended.
 
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QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
I'm so damn hungry right now, but still bleeding a lot... think I gotta hold off on even drinking an ensure til the morning :(

Ugh I hate this helpless feeling
 
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Kumubou

Member
smurfx said:
has there been less events lately compared to last year? feels like the after evo drought never ended.
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Well this part of the year is usually pretty slow, that and the couple of events that used to happen (Canada Cup, Season's Beatings) don't happen anymore (although The Fall Classic is next weekend). Once NEC and the Evo lineup roll around business will pick up as usual.
 
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