so basically only TFC and NEC?
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Well, if you wanna include game specific tournaments:
November 2nd Mastercup 7 TTT2 Tournament in Japan, 900+ competitors already.
DryEyeRelief
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theprodigy
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if we're including game-specific tournaments there's also The Big House 4 (Melee/PM)
also damn 900+?
also damn 900+?
irfaanator
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nobody is your age young'in
edit: Also I definitely want to watch the tekken stream. Want to check out if I should get it. Got ttt2 but never played it
MasterCup 6 had 750 entrants total
MasterCup 5 had 625 entrants total
MasterCup 5, 6, and now 7 all featured TTT2.
Plus, TTT2 also has had all these other events in Japan (Matador Cup, Double Cup, Sugamo Cup, etc).
There's so much that can happen, and has already happened internally at Capcom between SFxTK and SF5, I think they pretty much bear no weight on each other. You have to have some next level grudge-retaining tech for that to be the case.
The only legitimate worry is if Ono is leading the project (which can go either way, I think Ono has too much on his plate) because he's had a pretty rocky record when it comes to SF4 updates and SFxTK, but even still, new game, new plate, and he doesn't have to keep reusing so many resources.
Holy Order Sol
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why are you wasting your time talking to alstein about combos
Enzo, I guess you can add to the OP that Namco will partially stream some of the Tekken 7 location test footage on niconico this weekend:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=905270
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=905270
idk holy order made me think of incandescence.
Happy Birthday, Q
My mistake for misunderstanding what you were saying then! I'll blame the late night browsing.
WesternHeretic
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Someone need to teach me the fancy Dante combos this way pls.
Rice-Eater
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I quoted this just to correct you by saying you meant for the last one to be Capcom Cup, right?
The Taito National tournament is Japan's only CPT Premiere Event and it will be on during the same weekend as TFC. Dreamhack Winter will be the final CPT Premiere event so that's also a big one. Neither are in the US/NA so I guess that's why you didn't list them.
And man it always blows my mind how big those arcade tourney's are in Japan. Those big SF4 team tournaments always draws in like 300+ players. It doesn't surprise me to see that Tekken is much larger.
Professor Beef
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Should've never gotten rid of Gon. Should've made Snoop Lion playable. Namco hires idiots, but we knew that.
RockTurtle
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tekken 3 was a major part of my young childhood. it seemed as big as sf, if not bigger, at one point.
something happened between t3 and tekken tag tournament that just made me drop the series.
Osu 16 Bit
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Midwest needs a major this time of the year. Only thing that sucks about being banned from Big E events is that TFC and NEC are it for the rest of the year. I'd like to go to one more major in 2014.
Midwest really does need one.
Osu 16 Bit
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2 years ago we had UFGT, Powerup and Season's Beatings. Perfect. I'm sure Combo Breaker will be great but the other two are sorely missed. Frosty Faustings was scheduled to be close to KIT so that hurts the chances of it taking off too.
irfaanator
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ghaleon just held a small tourney in cleveland, doubt sb is coming back at all. Power up won't come back unless AL gets a sponsor to help out so all we got ufgt, and I guess KiT
Where is my HnK2?
irfaanator
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oh man tokido lol
Them banning you was the last straw and I decided not to go to TFC at all due to that. I don't get many weekends off so it does kinda hurt, but I don't want to support substandard TO's.
If he was, singing is not one of his talents lol
Its kinda the same challenge that MKX has, how do you top the last game that had basically everything? Except Dimps has had another go at a SF game since 4 and everyone hated it. MKX is also judged by different standards, a lot of its audience will play it as a single player game, but absolutely nobody is going to do that with SF5. Add more problems for the competitive community if SF5 isn't cross-generation. A lot of potential problems, pretty bad track record the last few years, and I think the path of least resistance has a high chance of being SF fans sticking with 4 over 5. It's not even a grudge or anything, I just have low expectations. I'm picturing a game with a different artsyle, smaller roster, SF fundamentals but no focus attack... what can they add to make it better than 4?
SF5 not being cross-generation is a fair point, just look at KI. However it seems to be more of a problem the game would face if it released into the current environment though.
If the game comes out during a time when platform adoption isn't so much of an issue, it could just end up being a non-factor. I.E: The game just being that far down the line x years away that people will have already comfortably transitioned to ps4/xb1. Or it getting simultaneously PC release, when PC has become the new standard platform, see T7, WNF PC tourneys and the recent Thaigeruppercut that I believe was ran on PC (or the Thai community were playing PC anyway).
I feel as though SFxT was suppose to be next torch bearer for SFIV, but it all just fell flat on its face for a multitude of reasons that we could go on and on about. At the moment SFIV still seems to be going strong so maybe a SF5 isn't warranted just yet until the momentum on IV train starts to die down first, they've still got time to work out the kinks and knots of the game. And at least this time they'll be able to start off with a fresh pallet with experience from SFIV to draw upon, unlike SFxT that tried to mangle SFIV into a new game or making SFIV after losing half their fighting game talents to other companies during Capcoms small fighting drought.
If the game comes out during a time when platform adoption isn't so much of an issue, it could just end up being a non-factor. I.E: The game just being that far down the line x years away that people will have already comfortably transitioned to ps4/xb1. Or it getting simultaneously PC release, when PC has become the new standard platform, see T7, WNF PC tourneys and the recent Thaigeruppercut that I believe was ran on PC (or the Thai community were playing PC anyway).
I feel as though SFxT was suppose to be next torch bearer for SFIV, but it all just fell flat on its face for a multitude of reasons that we could go on and on about. At the moment SFIV still seems to be going strong so maybe a SF5 isn't warranted just yet until the momentum on IV train starts to die down first, they've still got time to work out the kinks and knots of the game. And at least this time they'll be able to start off with a fresh pallet with experience from SFIV to draw upon, unlike SFxT that tried to mangle SFIV into a new game or making SFIV after losing half their fighting game talents to other companies during Capcoms small fighting drought.
May've been misinformation digging further
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=861511
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=861511
BumblebeeCody
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For the Birthday boy, Q.
Ummm
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So you have one too?
The difference with KI is that KI is a Rare property; a company that Microsoft owns. So they have the ability to make KI exclusive. Capcom on the other hand wouldn't really be able to make exclusive console games. Fair enough TvC but I think(think) this is to do with the difference in console power and thus a different game. (See Sonic Unleashed on Wii compared to Xbox 360 and PS3).
Ummm
UMMMMM!
So you have one too?
The difference with KI is that KI is a Rare property; a company that Microsoft owns. So they have the ability to make KI exclusive. Capcom on the other hand wouldn't really be able to make exclusive console games. Fair enough TvC but I think(think) this is to do with the difference in console power and thus a different game. (See Sonic Unleashed on Wii compared to Xbox 360 and PS3).
KI was:
- Exclusive
- Launched on the less popular platform
- Which was $500 at the time
- Wasn't even available outside few countries
- Only available digitally at launch
- Had six characters at launch
- IP was inactive for more than 15 years
- IP wasn't even that popular in the first place
I don't think it's fare to look at KI and say current-gen only fighting games might have problems, especially considering that KI did much better than most people thought it would both in term of sales and active player base.
- Exclusive
- Launched on the less popular platform
- Which was $500 at the time
- Wasn't even available outside few countries
- Only available digitally at launch
- Had six characters at launch
- IP was inactive for more than 15 years
- IP wasn't even that popular in the first place
I don't think it's fare to look at KI and say current-gen only fighting games might have problems, especially considering that KI did much better than most people thought it would both in term of sales and active player base.
Coffeeling
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I don't think it's only poke damage in 13. That plays a factor for sure, and IMO nonconvertable buttons could stand to have their damage increased a bit. But one thing that especially older KOF players tend to underrate IMO is that 13 has way more horizontal movement compared to poke length than, say, 98 has. That is to say that 98 does play horizontally but pokes claim a comparatively much bigger part of the screen and it's harder to get away from them. In 13 it's trivial to be out of poke range, so the game ends up being more about movement and angles than raw space claims like SF and 98 are.
It's still 10 or maybe a 100 times easier to do a multihit Benimaru juggle combo in KOF13 than it is to do a single damn SPD with Gedo in V Special ;P
...that's just Gedo though, thankfully. Both in the "only one character" sense and the "dear god an easy Gedo would be awful" sense.
VSav has the additional bonus of being able to antiair people with ribs. Can't underestimate that.
I have a Smash background and ended up loving KOF13 and VSav to bits. Just something about the movement in those games that feels good. Helps that Zabel's IAD buttons act much like hops do in KOF/Smash.
Good taste
Commiserations on having had to watch American Digimon, though. Nippon music is much better in that series. American thing had some weird rap thing as an opener and tried to play really serious fateful music in battle scenes. Japanese version's battle scenes have these amazing rock tunes playing in the background that are energetic and upbeat, more "let's go" vibe than "the fateful hour is at hand" style stuff, yet have a wistful quality to them.
It could just be my nostalgia speaking though.
Also Darkwing Duck, Ducktales, Chip 'n Dale <3
poopninjamvc3mk
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Thank god for Dolphin emulator, otherwise my copy would be a paperweight
Will try to find time this evening, if not, tomorrow.
I would call the KI IP popular, but you're forgetting another big bullet point: the entire damn thing went from conception to release in something like 9 months. That's absolutely ridiculous.
I think a good way of approaching it is part exactly how they handled SF4, and part being fundamentally different.
I've pondered the same thing about where they go gameplay wise from here. SF4 was just a creative extension of SF3 as far as it's defining mechanic goes (parries to focus attacks), so even mechanically, on top of already being a best-of roster wise, it sort of mushes together elements of it's predecessors. So does SF5 iterate/refine the focus attack or try to do something different entirely? And what could that even be? I think most would prefer the latter. I get what you're saying though, if it just ends up being more similar then people will compare it as such, but it will still be that new shit that people will want to play anyways.
Something I do hope they repeat from SF5/MvC3 is the balance between returning (2/3) and new (1/3) characters, which I hope this time extends through DLC/updates as well. I think that's the perfect balance, really.
Cosmo Clock 21
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BumblebeeCody
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Mechanically I still consider it to be better than TvC. Someone posted something interesting earlier in this thread (I don't have time to look through now) which I disagree with (on the topic of character roster). Basically saying how it's a diverse combo system and such. Compared to TvC it's far from diverse. Even based on it's own merits the entire character roster in a nutshell is:
LMHS > MMHS > OTG> Super or a slight variation on that.
I prefer the cast of MvC more because I love Capcom and Marvel but that combo system, as fun and complex it can be,it is also the most basic in any fighting game.
Yeah, I don't mind long combos if they're difficult (because you can count on them being dropped once in a while or being impressed by their completion) or if characters actually have life. As others have said: as long as it doesn't become a 1 player game.
Also, as others have said: I'm more partial to short combos that provide higher damage (hopefully, they require execution). Short combo strings but with a large ceiling in terms of the variety of ways moves can combo. SC2, Melee and Guilty Gear XX series are great with that.
I know outside NA(and maybe Europe), the series was less popular than MK, SF, VF, Tekken, SC(Soul Edge at the time), KoF and even Samurai Shodown. My cousin had KI on the SNES, but I literally know no one else who had or even knew the game!
How popular would you say it was before the X1 version in NA?
Smooth Operator
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BumblebeeCody
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Thanks to the c-c-c-combo breaker meme I think it lived on in spirit.
Yoshi....Mitsu?
sixteen-bit
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FF15 is a legit action game?
I don't know if I want a 45 hour action game, but I'll definitely try it.
sixteen-bit
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alpha doesn't have dashes though, and lets you block in the air
I know but what I wrote is like 75% Alpha series features. Remove air block, add dashes, remove CC, add 3s throws.