Crispy Gamer
Member
It's time for this Takashi guy to become a meme 
what's the story with this guy and Sony?!
what's the story with this guy and Sony?!
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Final Fantasy 16 sales results were in the range of their expectations, feel the penetration of PS5 performance was quite good.
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Mr Moose
Member
Ken Kutaragi slept with his wife.It's time for this Takashi guy to become a meme
squidilix
Member
Only on PS4 and One. The report says that 79% of all sales of Final Fantasy XV on UK were on the PS4, meaning just 21% of sales was for the Xbox One.
Even if we have only PS5 / Series release, the game maybe sales lower than 500k on Xbox. IDK why people thinking 16 sales more with releasing on all consoles.
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Astray
Member
This latest gaffe of Takashi's gets even funnier when you sit down and realize that:
- Square underperformance was directly mentioned to be a result of underperforming past titles, meaning stuff like Forspoken and Harvestella (which still have sales forecasts and promo plans even after we forgot about them).
- Square actually plans to have more AAA titles than AA ones (I.e. you are actually gonna get more titles like FF16 and less like Harvestella or Diofield Chronicles).
How can a guy be this outright dumb and still work at Bloomberg?
- Square underperformance was directly mentioned to be a result of underperforming past titles, meaning stuff like Forspoken and Harvestella (which still have sales forecasts and promo plans even after we forgot about them).
- Square actually plans to have more AAA titles than AA ones (I.e. you are actually gonna get more titles like FF16 and less like Harvestella or Diofield Chronicles).
How can a guy be this outright dumb and still work at Bloomberg?
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
All I can say is they missed on on selling it to me and my brother and a few of our friends who main Xbox so I don't feel bad for them. 
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
My opinion is that if people wanted this game to sell you’d have all the PS5 owners buying copies out their ears. It “flopped” because it was an easy to glance over action based Final Fantasy. Not a lot of replay value and not a lot of side content that was worth sharing with friends. I don’t think it could have saved the game. The hype was kinda over a week or two later. It was streamlined for some new audience. I don’t think this has anything to do with platform. If this was Sakaguchi level of Final Fantasy, it would have probably sold more. It didn’t touch their watered down fan base. Unless I’m baseless and my love of Square is completely out of touch.
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Chukhopops
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I don’t think it flopped and I don’t think it was a big success either, especially in Japan. I think, ironically, that it was saved by being one of the two big Sony exclusives this year.
But it’s deeply ironic they are going to get their ass whipped, on their main platform, by a turn-based, party-based CRPG with D&D ruleset when they insisted so much on turn-based and party management being outdated and nobody wanting those in the younger generations. It’s poetic justice and I hope it really stings lmao.
But it’s deeply ironic they are going to get their ass whipped, on their main platform, by a turn-based, party-based CRPG with D&D ruleset when they insisted so much on turn-based and party management being outdated and nobody wanting those in the younger generations. It’s poetic justice and I hope it really stings lmao.
Mister Wolf
Member
The price for prostituting themselves to Sony. Staggering the PC release is idiotic.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Mochizuki source, definitely not gonna buy it
ShadyAcshuns
Member
- should have been multiplat from the go
- should have been a traditional FF title
Ar¢tos
Member
Harvestella?
- Release game on Switch + PC only
- Don't promote it at all
- ???
- Complain it didn't sell nearly enough
Buggy Loop
Member
Exclusive to one platform
Moves away from everything that made FF
Square-Enix :
Poor Eidos who got dragged into this piss poor management for so many years.
Moves away from everything that made FF
Square-Enix :
Poor Eidos who got dragged into this piss poor management for so many years.
Fbh
Member
Some people seem obsessed with seeing this game fail.
Well it also depends on how much Sony paid them, maybe it was enough to cover 35% lower sales than expected.
Also 3 million isn't as bad as people make it sound (plus while sales have slowed down it's not like it stopped selling).
Re4 Remake, the remake of one of the most beloved games from the Ps2/GC generation which launched to universal critical acclaim (93 metascore) has sold 5 million in 4 months while releasing on Ps4, ps5, SX, SS and PC.
Well it also depends on how much Sony paid them, maybe it was enough to cover 35% lower sales than expected.
Also 3 million isn't as bad as people make it sound (plus while sales have slowed down it's not like it stopped selling).
Re4 Remake, the remake of one of the most beloved games from the Ps2/GC generation which launched to universal critical acclaim (93 metascore) has sold 5 million in 4 months while releasing on Ps4, ps5, SX, SS and PC.
Astray
Member
AA games in general don't get as much marketing as AAA.
I think Square was ultra dumb in how they shipped and released a lot of titles this past year and it's caught up with them now.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
erf... stop posting viral shit source...
Because the source of the Eurogamer news is ....
Written by...
When once (again) misinterpreted...
This is the same guys saying PSVR2 flopping hard or Sony failed some report, because people buy less PS5 game
NGL, mods should close this thread then. Bloomberg Takashi has such an obvious fanboy hateboner against PlayStation, it bleeds through in every single one of his mentions and reports regarding the platform and its exclusive games.
There's nothing of substance to discuss here. Shut it down. Back to lurking.
Orbital2060
Member
Yep. The real issue here is the company needs new leadership that have a genuine compassion and vision for all of these great IPs, instead of chasing trends or selling out to stupid shit like NFTs.Exclusive to one platform
Moves away from everything that made FF
Square-Enix :
Poor Eidos who got dragged into this piss poor management for so many years.
aliadiere25
Member
That's good for me. I'm waiting for it to go on sale.... so it might be on sale sooner.
diffusionx
Gold Member
They should have released a RPG.
Astray
Member
It's a mix of people who don't want a non-turn-based FF to succeed (and thus influence future FF titles in a direction they don't like), and weirdo Xbox influencers who want to gloat over Sony failing at something.
It's actually selling quite well, not reaching the ceiling of your estimates means that you still hit your estimates and are profitable (it's actually been mentioned as a bright spot in their earnings call iirc), now they can start doing promo plans like DLCs/Sales plus release on other platforms after the exclusivity period ends to keep making money on the title.
Company leadership has changed v.recently, the new management's plans are just starting.
least credible "journalist" on the net.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
If they weren’t happy with Tomb Raider selling over 3 million copies, then they’re not going to be happy with Final Fantasy’s lackluster sales either.
Pikmin 4 even outsold it in Japan.
Pikmin 4 even outsold it in Japan.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Roses are red, they grow on plantations,
Square Enix's games sell below expectations
Square Enix's games sell below expectations
Deerock71
Member
They're unhappy PS5 isn't at current Switch levels.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I remember when the 2013 reboot Tomb Raider sold almost 10 million copies and SE said it underperformed. I think SE are crazy.
I think the turn based nonsense is mostly an excuse to complain in a somewhat believable critical way about a highly rated game. Especially as some of those same people use FF15 as the best performing FF, not turn based either. Some truly actually prefer turn based, I understand, but it reminds me of the "corridor racer" slights against another game as if there is something intrinsically wrong with what the game is. There isn't anything wrong with an action RPG, I bet they play a lot of those too.
MasterCornholio
Member
To be fair
adamsapple
needs to include the original source in the OP.
adamsapple
needs to include the original source in the OP.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Next FF should just be Squares take on open world Zelda. Make it more gameplay centric and less story heavy. Then they have a shot at 20 million in sales
Solidus_T
Banned
He didn't because the source is not from SE. Square Enix called the game an "extreme success" and the sales were within the upper bound of its expectations.To be fair
Astray
Member
As someone who considers FF9 to be the best one overall (about to start playing modded FF7 on Steam soon tho so that can change!), I can't say I completely agree with you.
But I think I accepted that Final Fantasy is now a "pick-and-choose" series since 13 (my god was that awful as fuck! I don't think I hated a game as much as I did with FF13 at the time).
I was eh on 15, but 16 has appealed to me as an action RPG, let's see what 17 brings up.
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MasterCornholio
Member
I just believe it would be the correct thing to do. Then let people decide if it's valid or not.
I do wonder how difficult it would be to have a choice of turn based or action in the battle system of one release to appease both audiences.
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Hudo
Member
Because they do. Square Enix, for some weird reason, always have outrageous sales expectations for their titles.
Edit: But I do agree with the sentiment that this should've been a multiplatform title from day one. Doesn't make sense for Square to act as a second-party when there's more money to be made by being third-party.
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LordBlodgett
Member
I feel like I hear this about nearly ever SE game ever. Seriously how many times have they uttered this exact phrase?