Final Fantasy 7 Remake Announced (First on PS4)

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I'm too aware of how much smoke and mirror world-maps in FFs were anyway to really care if they scrap it or not. Many of my favorite JRPGs, like Shadow Hearts or Baten Kaitos, only have a menu-based world-map, too, and I love them.

If they do a full-scale world-map for FFVIIR they'd have go ALL OUT. No oldschool one, no DQVIII one, but FFXV. And if they do that, then even UE4 won't magically make them finish the game before 2019. Though, maybe I overestimate the size. FFXV would probably still be equal or bigger than FFVIIR with a similar scale (huge zones with loading inbetween new regions - unless FFXV will be completely seamless open-world, which would be crazy).
I'm curious: can you seamlessly traverse the ocean in Witcher 3 to get to other land masses? Is the world seamless or are there loading transitions between zones?
 
I'm not getting back into this whole Tifa vs Aeris thingy.

I'm not doing this... Not doing this...






Obviously it's Tifa. I think at the end of AC Cloud, Tifa and the kids go out for a picnic? Or was that an ausio file from the DC version?

I feel the anti CloudxTifa people are working five times harder than the supporters to disprove anything.

It also doesn't help that there is a clear showing of bias, particularly a certain someone who states their utter dislike of the character.
 
Might as well just make him an orphan. Wouldn't affect the story much at all. >.>
I love the sequence where Cloud come home in the Nibelheim flashback. It's one of the scenes from a game that I could really closely identify with once I replayed it as an adult, where I realized how awkward homecomings can be when you mostly remember being around your parents as a child and haven't seen them in a while, and they still treat you like you are a child.
 
I'm too aware of how much smoke and mirror world-maps in FFs were anyway to really care if they scrap it or not. Many of my favorite JRPGs, like Shadow Hearts or Baten Kaitos, only have a menu-based world-map, too, and I love them.

If they do a full-scale world-map for FFVIIR they'd have go ALL OUT. No oldschool one, no DQVIII one, but FFXV. And if they do that, then even UE4 won't magically make them finish the game before 2019. Though, maybe I overestimate the size. FFXV would probably still be equal or bigger than FFVIIR with a similar scale (huge zones with loading inbetween new regions - unless FFXV will be completely seamless open-world, which would be crazy).
I'm curious: can you seamlessly traverse the ocean in Witcher 3 to get to other land masses? Is the world seamless or are there loading transitions between zones?

The Witcher 3 is split into zones, it's not a seamless world.

However, all of these zones are fucking huge.

The Skellige Isles alone are larger than most open worlds.
 
The Witcher 3 is split into zones, it's not a seamless world.

However, all of these zones are fucking huge.

The Skellige Isles alone are larger than most open worlds.

I see. Probably what FFXV will do, too.
What if you want to sail between two seperate zones? Pop-up asking if you want to leave the current zone?
 
I see. Probably what FFXV will do, too.
What if you want to sail between two seperate zones? Pop-up asking if you want to leave the current zone?

To travel between zones, you must find a signpost and use it to choose the region you want to go to.

The only regions that are connected are Novigrad and Velen, but Novigrad is mostly a city, not a region.
 
Loading screens in the world map would cripple the satisfaction of the highwind. They are likely going to build the game from the ground up to support a seamless open world.
 
I feel the anti CloudxTifa people are working five times harder than the supporters to disprove anything.

It also doesn't help that there is a clear showing of bias, particularly a certain someone who states their utter dislike of the character.
Says the person with a biased for the character.

Do I dislike Tifa? Sure, but I've never posted anything false regarding my comments on Cloud/Tifa and Cloud/Aeris. I've posted quotes with sources from the creators and novels all of which you've once again ignored(Ryn, this is the kind of thing I was referring to) unlike you who has posted nothing but personal interpretations.

You jumped into this thread and made a big claim while being dismissive of any discussion against you and then when proven wrong, you ignore the responses.
 
People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"
 
I agree.I don't need a game where it takes you 20 minutes to traverse from Midgar to Kalm. It's impossible to make such a game without a crazy (even for AAA games)budget and not have the other locations suffer.

One of the best things about these old jrpgs like ff7 was the variety of unique and memorable dungeons,caves and villages.

The world map was a basic 3d plain + sea,forests with some simple climate variations.It was fun traversing it and it gave a sense of exploration(especially when you got the submarine and later the Highwind) but not to the point of getting lost in it like say a Bestheda game.

I'd prefer the developers focused more on recreating and expanding all the unique locations in full 3d while keeping the world map more simple than spending all their time and budget on having generic area 14 be 03 km2 and excruciatingly detailed.
Was thinking about this the other day and fully agree. I haven't really played any open-world games lately to see how it's being done as of today but I thought FF12 balanced this relatively well.
I'm just more glad we won't be seeing random battles again.

I feel the anti CloudxTifa people are working five times harder than the supporters to disprove anything.

It also doesn't help that there is a clear showing of bias, particularly a certain someone who states their utter dislike of the character.
I would sooner call someone who claims others are heavily delusional over an open-ended pairing war biased than someone who has been doing nothing but citing and posting sources (even to some of your claims which, by the way, when people called you out on your sources for your original post, you conveniently back-pedaled with "eh who gives about sources?").

Believe what you want, that's all well and good since at the end of the day the whole point is that all options are equally viable and open enough to different interpretations. Just stop insulting people's intelligence if they don't agree with yours.
 
People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"

Yas, Barett!

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I feel the anti CloudxTifa people are working five times harder than the supporters to disprove anything.

It also doesn't help that there is a clear showing of bias, particularly a certain someone who states their utter dislike of the character.
Look SOLDIER I think Tifa is pretty rad too but Wazzy has been doing a good job of making an argument that there is some ambiguity to how the CloudxTifa thing is or will end up and has been citing sources and quotes to back it up.

People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"
lmao
 
People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"

Holy shit that is fucking hilarious.

Stuff like this needs to be in ff7.
 
People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"
Best post.
 
People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"
:O
 
People, people, whether or not Cloud and Tifa had sex
of course they did
, everyone knows that the only true scenario is Cloud x Barett. English translations was terrible, so fixed it:

(Hotel)
Barett: "Cloud, you awake?"
Cloud: "What's up?
Barett: "Well, I was thinkin' about going on a walk."
Cloud: "The two of us?!"
Barett: "Come on, why not! All right, stop yacking and let's go!"
(Theater)
Staff: "Congratulations! It looks like you're our 100th couple today....oh, maybe not. Sorry."
(Exit theater, to the ride)
Barett: "All right, let's go somewhere where we can have a quiet talk."
Barett: "Woah, two guys getting on a ride? Ah, why not... Gimme two tickets!"
(Ride: no romantic music, just Barett's theme)
Barett: "Hey man. You having fun here, looking at fireworks with me?"
Cloud: "You think it's fun?"
Barett: "Then you should've asked one of them, man!"
Cloud: "One of them?"
Barett: "Isn't it obvious?! Tifa or Aerith. ...oh, maybe Yuffie?"
Cloud: (Oh man...)
Barett: "What's that supposed to mean? ...wait, you can't mean Marin? Hell no! I wouldn't have Marin with a clueless moron like you! She's my treasure."
(Fireworks)
Barett: "Marin...I wish I could've shown her these fireworks. Why the hell am I with you? Damn it...I'm getting pissed. These fireworks are too damn loud."
Barett: (gun firing) "Shuuuut upppp"
Fuck this is good.
 
I legit took the Barret x Cloud date as a *wink wink* gay date scene.

I mean, this game and it's level of fidelity already had one implied "oops I had a gay experience?" scene, so why not two?
 
I think it'll be a mix between a fully fleshed out world map, and cities that you load into that are divided into a series of large areas(KH3 style).

I guess that would make it a bit like Skyrim.

As long as i can fly around in the highwind without having to go to a loading screen im happy. That's my #1 request for the game.
 
This thread, is so glorious...
You think this is glorious, wait until they release a dramatic trailer with gameplay ending with Cloud and Tifa looking deeply into each others eyes as the scene fades to black, followed by Aeriths looking into the flames stuff.

Now that I think about it I can't wait to see how the intimate moments of the game are done. Like camera angles and the expressions of the characters. Gonna be amazing!

As long as i can fly around in the highwind without having to go to a loading screen im happy. That's my #1 request for the game.
No loading screens would be so awesome. I really hope we don't have to deal with them...
 
A realistic overworld seems impossible based on the advancement of tech. You could do it in Ni no Kuni because of the light hearted nature of the world, but having a Chibi cloud run around like that in realistic graphics just seems strange
 
Just to let everyone know that scene IS actually in the game
Oh, sure, that's why the original scene in Japanese is linked above together with a proper translation. This official version is pretty sad---Mr. T edition aside, it's great how they botched it into making Barett seem to be talking about whether he preferred Tifa or Aerith.

I wish more Cloud x Yuffie people would show up in this thread. :3
 
Imagine Hashimoto on PS Experience stage once again and this time actually delivering the goods. A brand new FFVII remake gameplay trailer.

Please be excited.
 
Well, sure that's why the original scene in Japanese is linked above together with a proper translation. This official version is pretty sad---Mr. T edition aside, it's great how they botched it into making Barett seem to be talking about whether he preferred Tifa or Aerith.

I wish more Cloud x Yuffie people would show up in this thread. :3
That's why the Reunion patch is so great.

Is that what your translation is from, by the way?
 
RE: world map

I remember reading that Nomura looked at avatar based world maps for FF15 and canned it, citing that he felt it didn't match up to the expectations of a modern game.

Note how Crisis Core had no world map.

Not really applicable. Deciding world maps don't work and going open-world for a game you're designing from scratch is fine, since you can then design the story around an open-world by setting it in a relatively small patch of land, which is what was done with FFXV. FFVIIR does not offer this luxury - it's already established as being set over a whole planet, requiring the use of a world map or just skipping from location to location via loading screen jumps.
 
That's why the Reunion patch is so great.

Is that what your translation is from, by the way?
Nah, I just looked at the video and took a minute or two to translate as I watched. That's nice that some fans did a full retranslation (assuming that it's good (they usually aren't, for various reasons)).
 
Oh, sure, that's why the original scene in Japanese is linked above together with a proper translation. This official version is pretty sad---Mr. T edition aside, it's great how they botched it into making Barett seem to be talking about whether he preferred Tifa or Aerith.

I wish more Cloud x Yuffie people would show up in this thread. :3

He's way too immature for her. Best girl in VII, so she deserves better.
 
Was browsing for some Cluffie fanart and came across this gem

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Took me a second to realize it wasn't Cloud.

Cloud and Barret are VII's real OTP. They've had sexual tension from the very beginning.
"Don't forget that your skinny ass's workin' for AVALANCHE now!
B-Baka!
"
 
Are we still on this topic??

Look, we already know Tifa and Cloud are not brother and sister in any sense of the word. Can we leave it at that?

I personally see Cloti is an inevitable end game based on my experience with the FF7 world and characters, but its a debate that'll go on forever i'm sure for supporters and detractors, and it has no need clogging up every debate.

My point is, there's a lot more to talk about in regards to this remake than the pairing drama for sure
 
I'm still waiting for that minute to pass btw.

Ah I apologize. I forgot about your post due to the previous discussion taking place and it didn't help I was at work with a low amount of sleep, heh.

As for why they're not a definite couple, the first two quotes I provided earlier already show the creators intentions. First they refuse to acknowledge them as a couple and even comment saying that it's up to the player to interpret a relationship or not. The second quote was about them having issues without the events of AC causing them and how things might not work out between the two. Then you have things like the VII-AC relationship charts showing how things have progressed but Tifa and Cloud are still listed as childhood friends(The FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania) which could imply they haven't gotten into a relationship. If they're supposed to be romantically involved you would think they would be listed as something other than childhood friends.

The creators purposely have left it ambiguous and up to people to decide if they stayed friends or became more which is exactly why they aren't a couple but could become one. This is because they believe both Aeris and Tifa are legitimate romantic options and they don't want to choose a side, even if sometimes it seems they are pushing one more.

There's nothing that states Cloud and Tifa are in a relationship and most of it is personal interpretation which is fair but not fact.

Are we still on this topic??

Look, we already know Tifa and Cloud are not brother and sister in any sense of the word. Can we leave it at that?

I personally see Cloti is an inevitable end game based on my experience with the FF7 world and characters, but its a debate that'll go on forever i'm sure for supporters and detractors, and it has no need clogging up every debate.

My point is, there's a lot more to talk about in regards to this remake than the pairing drama for sure

Ehhhhh I have to be fair and respond. I promised I would so I owe the poster that.

Anyway people can feel free to debate this with me since I don't think it's that big of a deal but the point of this debate is to show both sides are legitimate options for Cloud. You have every right to interpret Cloti over Cleris and vice versa for the Cloud and Aeris fans.

Personally I would love to move back to my OTP Barret x Cloud.
 
How old is Yuffie in game? I never knew that, but 5 years prior, she seemed a bit young if you get my meaning.

Is it even right for Cloud to have an option for her if you get my meaning? Atleast i understand Barret, but he's a grown adult
 
How old is Yuffie in game? I never knew that, but 5 years prior, she seemed a bit young if you get my meaning.

Is it even right for Cloud to have an option for her if you get my meaning? Atleast i understand Barret, but he's a grown adult
Yuffie and Cloud is fucking gross and I would hope no one literally supports them since Cloud is an adult while she is a teenager.
 
I want a twist that Cloud's an autosexual complete with a Buffalo Bill(Silence of the Lambs) esque scene.

Imagine Hashimoto on PS Experience stage once again and this time actually delivering the goods. A brand new FFVII remake gameplay trailer.

Please be excited.

If only. I'm not expecting anything until around January-February.
 
Had to fix the quote for yah. ;)
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Yuffie and Cloud is fucking gross and I would hope no one literally supports them since Cloud is an adult while she is a teenager.
She's an adult by the time of AC

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I will say I find that kind of stuff adorable. Young girls crush on older dudes all the time anyway. Though I think it's safe to say Cloud is shall we say, not interested..
 
If it was up to me, there'd be some fun hallucinatory conversations between Cloud and Sephiroth.

He can get in Cloud's head. I'd want to play with that.
 
Yuffie and Cloud is fucking gross and I would hope no one literally supports them since Cloud is an adult while she is a teenager.
Cloud is mentally a teenager, anyway. His mental faculties and growth was practically stunted for 5 years straight.

And a hypothetical relationship between them would be both legal and common in my country so I don't really think about it much.
 
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