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[Yoshichan]

what a time to be alive

This is literally the time to be alive - to the point where whenever something bad happens to me, I think of this game as a reality. Suddenly, happiness.

 

[entremet]

This is why I don't envy square.

No matter what there will be a ton of butthurt people over any choice they make with this game.

good luck

Even those disappointed will buy this game, so SE made the right call.

They'll get the nostalgic fans and newcomers since it's action based.

 

[Wazzy]

...For real?

E3 discounts. I put in before obviously seeing updates like this. I could remove but don't know how it would affect my discounts.

 

[Asd202]

Yeah I noticed that.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Yeah, a product with no voice acting, PS4 textures and environments, and the additions this remake will surely have. That's totally what me and a bunch of other people have been asking for for a decade.

Well clearly you're being unreasonable if you want it to be explicitly turn-based and can't accept a deviation in game play. And as someone who vastly prefers turn-based as well, I see no problem with the footage shown. It seems that you only wanted a makeover and not a remake.

Quite frankly, to play Final Fantasy VII again with only improved graphics and voice acting would be fucking boring. So once again I say, if you aren't going to appreciate the middle ground approach they are taking with this game to remain faithful to the original's universe while also keeping it fresh and updating its combat, then you're going to have to continue playing the old game.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

 

[ackl]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed this. lol

 

[Meccanical]

That's Junon in the original FF7 pic, not Midgar.

Isn't that Midgar after they moved the Sister Ray?

 

[Arkeband]

Loving the salt from the old superfans.

"NO, I DON'T WANT DIFFERENCES FOR A REIMAGINING. JUST KEEP GIVING ME THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN"

Remake != Reimagining

Also no one is saying this, don't be a dick.

 

[raven777]

yea I kinda loled when I watched this part.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

"who wants a remake to be the same gameplay?! play the original!"

most acclaimed, successful remakes:

Resident Evil

Metroid: Zero Mission

Final Fantasy 4 DS

Dragon Quest 4, 5, 6, 7

*none of which dramatically changed the gameplay *

Have there been any remakes which dramatically changed the gameplay to this degree? Reboots, sure, but remakes, with the same story/characters etc?

 

[DXLelouch153]

what is with everyones hatred for action rpgs?
did Action RPGs kill your parents or something?

 

[RevolverRoden]

lol @ asshurt purists
And im not even talking about this thread or neogaf
I was just on some FF7 forums and it was waaaayyyy worse than here.
"The game lost it's soul."
"Dumbed down for new audiences"
"Looks like Cloud is whiny again"
"Barret looks like Mr. T" (lol)

hahahahahahahahahahahahah

 

[thebigmanjosh]

"While the game will be more action oriented, it will retain the strategic elements of planning your attacks, magic, abilities. We want to make the two complimentary."

"Our goal from the beginning, our starting point, was to have graphics (specifically mentioning characters) similar to the movie Advent Children in real time, which was only possible on PS4."

There was FF7R segment on the live stream and Kitase talked about the remake and what their goal was for the game. Those quotes aren't word for word but that's the general idea. The way he put it it sounds like they're still trying to retain the feel of ATB while keeping the flow more in line with real-time action. That said, he also mentioned switching weapons as a point of keeping strategy in the game so who knows.

 

[Prompto]

I was gonna say Barret looks ridiculous with sunglasses on but then I remembered he's a man with a machine gun for a hand next to a skinny guy in a purple suit with a ridiculously over sized sword.

 

[brainchild]

I need this game, like, right now.

 

[CielTynave]

Definitely glad that it's action based rather than turn based, tbh I probably would have stopped caring if they showed it was turn based.

Not saying that I don't enjoy turn based at all, but Action is pretty much what SE (and Nomura games in particular) excel at over pretty much every other ARPG in the industry (not straight up action games like DMC or Platinum games though). Whereas there's pretty much always been better and more interesting turn based combat from other companies, and even themselves from series besides FF.

Also this already looks like what Nomura wanted Versus/XV to be originally, so I already have more faith in this than what XV is coming out as now.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Wait, this is the Smash design?

What's with the eyeliner?

 

[Icyflamez96]

I was waiting for someone to make this

 

[x3sphere]

I'm floored by how good this looks. Glad the battle system is getting a complete overhaul too, change is good.

 

[Coffee Dog]

"They have entirely changed most of the gameplay". Yes, that is the whole point of the remake to BEGIN WITH.

I agree! That's why they've changed it from the original FF7. It's a new game wearing the face of an old one. That's why people are upset.

 

[Giever]

That's Junon in the original FF7 pic, not Midgar.

Is it? Whoops, I searched Midgar. Oh well.

 

[chozen]

The part where cloud crawls under the rubble is also in XV as well.

This is okay though, the animations are top notch no need to waste time on remaking those.

 

[Nickle]

Is this coming to PC too? Looks pretty great.

 

[entremet]

what is with everyones hatred for action rpgs?
did Action RPGs kill your parents or something?

It's mostly because people want the game have some semblance to the original and the battle system is a big part of that.

I don't think people out and out action RPGs. I mean Souls is huge here.

 

[illmatic22]

1997

2005

2015

Best FF protagonist. Come at me. Terra can kiss the ring.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Pretty cool shit guys.

 

[careksims]

1997

2005

2015

Damn so good.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

Im really not feeling the linear looking tomb raider type stuff.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Have there been any remakes which dramatically changed the gameplay to this degree? Reboots, sure, but remakes, with the same story/characters etc?

Well a question would also be have there been much remake that have to update as much as this game.
They going to have to change everything about it even if the combat system was the same .

 

[HeelPower]

2015

I am struggling to understand how anyone could think Dissidia design looks better than this.

Its far,far too pretty and lacks any of the details that you can see in the awesome remake interpretation.

This is not a soldier who's been through hell and back..Works for a game like dissidia,but not for the proper remake.

 

[Icyflamez96]

I do wonder why Barret has those sunglasses tho

 

[WhiskeyDiver]

This is why I don't envy square.

No matter what there will be a ton of butthurt people over any choice they make with this game.

good luck

Let them be. For those of us that enjoy it despite any minor gripes, it will be all the sweeter every second that we play.

Honestly I think the game will be polished to the max given the monumental task remaking a "no doubt about it" classic.

 

[Coffee Dog]

what is with everyones hatred for action rpgs?
did Action RPGs kill your parents or something?

I don't think people hate RPGs, but this is a remake that is entirely different from the original. Some people liked the original.

 

[DangerMouse]

Looks kinda low res given those steps on the sword and hair.

The hair is probably always going to have steps, S-E and Nomura are insane with that hair detail.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Isn't that Midgar after they moved the Sister Ray?

Actually you might be right, looks like the Diamond Weapon attack cutscence. My bad.

Is it? Whoops, I searched Midgar. Oh well.

Nah, I think it might be correct. Seems is time to replay VII.

Spoiler

Not really, too many games

 

[RevolverRoden]

Wait, this is the Smash design?

What's with the eyeliner?

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

Isn't that Midgar after they moved the Sister Ray?

It IS. Person who thought it was Junon is WRONG.

 

[potatohead]

You guys saying "this is upper Midgar" need to replay through that intro again. Even upper Midgar has its share of poverty and litter. Abandoned turned over cars, trash on the street.

You simply don't know what you are talking about. I've played this game like literally tens of times and you are just making false statements.

We never even explored Upper Midgar in the game. At all. Never.

The only parts we see of Upper Midgar is basically what is around immediately around after the explosion of the Reactor, and when you run out into the European style streets before jumping on the train.

The only other times are like seeing when the Plate falls on Sector 7 you get a brief look at the Upper Plate before it falls and when you invade the Shinra building when you pretty much ONLY explore the Shinra building.

The other time is when you parachute onto Midgar to fight Hojo and Scarlet, and that's again during a major battle and Hojo's madness screwing up the area you are in.

And occasionally when it is looked down upon from the Shinra Building from extremely far away that you basically can't see anything.

That's like literally all the scenes of Upper Midgar in the whole game.

 

[the_sun_king]

Best FF protagonist. Come at me. Terra can kiss the ring.

*comes at you*

 

[Coffee Dog]

Have there been any remakes which dramatically changed the gameplay to this degree? Reboots, sure, but remakes, with the same story/characters etc?

I don't know of any. Most remakes that I can think of don't change genres like this.

 

[Perfect Cha0s]

Loving the salt from the old superfans.

"NO, I DON'T WANT DIFFERENCES FOR A REIMAGINING. JUST KEEP GIVING ME THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN"

It doesn't even phase me that some people are disappointed that it's no longer ATB turn-based, but the few people trying to frame this as a dumbing down (some seemingly skirting around outright saying "FOR TODAY'S A.D.D. KIDDIES AMIRITE?") as though VII's original combat were deep or complex in any way really grinds my gears

 

[Famassu]

"who wants a remake to be the same gameplay?! play the original!"

most acclaimed, successful remakes:

Resident Evil

Metroid: Zero Mission

Final Fantasy 4 DS

Dragon Quest 4, 5, 6, 7

*none of which dramatically changed the gameplay *

I'd hardly even call FFIV DS & DQIV-VII remakes. They are just 3Dfications of the originals while otherwise being pretty much the exact same games. Remakes aren't & shouldn't be limited to just "upgrade visuals, keep everything else exactly the same not to piss off change-resistant fans"

 

[Mr. RHC]

I like how perfectly they got the jump right what used to be a pretty blocky animation in 1997.

laughing out loudly

 

[Garlador]

1997

2005

2015

I love how they preserved the little flip he does off the train. That's some great attention to detail.

 

[mugwhump]

Woah, cool. Like where they're going with the combat.

I do wonder if that's actually ingame or if it's just a gameplay mockup. I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

[Meccanical]

I do wonder why Barret has those sunglasses tho

His vision is augmented.

Also Nomura was probably watching Blade when he designed him.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

works for me.

 

[GrandiaX]

Looks good. Nothing special.

 

[Crash Station]

Well clearly you're being unreasonable if you want it to be explicitly turn-based and can't accept a deviation in game play. And as someone who vastly prefers turn-based as well, I see no problem with the footage shown. It seems that you only wanted a makeover and not a remake.

Quite frankly, to play Final Fantasy VII again with only improved graphics and voice acting would be fucking boring. So once again I say, if you aren't going to appreciate the middle ground approach they are taking with this game to remain faithful to the original's universe while also keeping it fresh and updating its combat, then you're going to have to continue playing the old game.

This isn't a middle ground approach. A middle ground approach would be something like X-2 with attack interruptions, or Grandia/Chrono Trigger with mild positioning aspects.

There are ways to advance the combat without abandoning the genre. The best remake of all time, Resident Evil kept the core gameplay while simultaneously polishing it up and making it acceptable for a newer audience. This isn't doing that, it's throwing the core gameplay out and opting for something new.