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Final Fantasy Brave Exvius |OT3| A How To Guide Of Pulling Out To Avoid Bediles
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Lyrian
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Worldwide release on Feb 2, iOS + Android.
That's what Ziss said about dark fina 😂
Andvary
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Broseybrose
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This is so long overdue!
So happy to be using him again.
I still need to level Lid and Nichol to 5*max.
So happy to be using him again.
I still need to level Lid and Nichol to 5*max.
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
I love the new avatar!
And yes, I don't know if I can handle a new gacha game. At least Record Keeper is super low maintenance, and Brave Exvius is starting to get that way...
By the way, I have tomorrow night already planned: Ariana on repeat, and then I'm going to level her to 100 and get all her exclusive items. Then, I will outfit the best arena team ever
for dance-offs
indigo-cyclops
Member
I just want 6* Firion at this point! He's been at max for me for a while.
Set your expectation low, my friend.
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
So, with the recent story update...
You know, I don't think it'd be a bad idea to include a Story recap in the spreadsheet or in the OP. So much of this game is released in chunks that people are bound to forget important plot points, especially with no way to re-view cutscenes.
Can someone remind me what happened to the crystals? I know Earth is destroyed in the beginning of the game and Jake destroys Fire. What happens to the Wind Crystal and Water Crystals? I remember Luka going underwater to cleanse the seas, but I can't recall whether the crystal itself survived.
Similarly, can we get a recap of who the Veritas are (and who we think they are), as well as their general personalities? I know there's Dark, Heavens, and Flame. I also completely forgot Waters existed: what did she do?
Also, Lasswell should've been the one to get the 6* evolution.
Similarly, can we get a recap of who the Veritas are (and who we think they are), as well as their general personalities? I know there's Dark, Heavens, and Flame. I also completely forgot Waters existed: what did she do?
Also, Lasswell should've been the one to get the 6* evolution.
You know, I don't think it'd be a bad idea to include a Story recap in the spreadsheet or in the OP. So much of this game is released in chunks that people are bound to forget important plot points, especially with no way to re-view cutscenes.
Hippopuncher12
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Ziss will pull until he gets him soooooo who knows. I originally was going to whale for him but I doubt I will now.
Advocatus Diaboli
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I'm headed out on another business trip this weekend and may dedicate the per diem to Orlandu. We'll see.
OH HEY MY FIRST DOUBLE POPCORN EVER.
THANKS TREY FOR PROVOKING LOLOLOL.
Lyrian
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No crystals have survived to date. The fire crystal was the first one that Rain and company actually successfully saved, only for Jake to blow it up right in their faces. The Veritases (if that is a word) destroyed Earth, Wind, and Water crystals previously.
Wind: Rain and company were too slow, Veritas of Heavens beat them there (airships and all that).
Water: Distraction with Rain's power being uncontrollable enabled Waters to beat them to the crystal again. Elle was there to defend the crystal, but couldn't solo Waters.
JP players who want to spoil the identities of the Veritas could be given as the story arc is now complete. On global, there are lots of holes still and no one has been formally revealed yet to the party.
Dark: Heavily hinted at to be Sir Raegan, Rain's father.
Heavens: The first Cid of the FFBE world.
Waters: ??
Fire: ?? A blacksmith, created Purple Lightning, whom Sir Raegan gifted to Lasswell for an currently unknown reason.
Wind: Rain and company were too slow, Veritas of Heavens beat them there (airships and all that).
Water: Distraction with Rain's power being uncontrollable enabled Waters to beat them to the crystal again. Elle was there to defend the crystal, but couldn't solo Waters.
JP players who want to spoil the identities of the Veritas could be given as the story arc is now complete. On global, there are lots of holes still and no one has been formally revealed yet to the party.
Dark: Heavily hinted at to be Sir Raegan, Rain's father.
Heavens: The first Cid of the FFBE world.
Waters: ??
Fire: ?? A blacksmith, created Purple Lightning, whom Sir Raegan gifted to Lasswell for an currently unknown reason.
Lyrian
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Reddit has been trying to document all the cutscenes in the game because of this. I'll see if I can find the threads in question.
Olderion 2
Zoldaad 1
Zoldaad 2
Can't find the older threads on Reddit :/
Advocatus Diaboli
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Thanks, Lyrian! I thoroughly enjoy the writing and presentation of the story, if not the actual story itself, and wish they'd have an "event viewer" like FFX did.
I recall two or three of those threads, and I agree: they were exceptionally helpful. I just don't know if whoever committed to that endeavor is planning on continuing.
I recall two or three of those threads, and I agree: they were exceptionally helpful. I just don't know if whoever committed to that endeavor is planning on continuing.
PantherLotus
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uhhh, no
It took twice as that to get Noctis lol.
Interested to see how a Nintendo ran Gacha game will be like. Go for the throat in regards to summon rates or be accommodating and casual friendly.
PantherLotus
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Did everyone clear out what they wanted from Akademia's grind?
[x] 30k moogle
[x] all the tickets
[x] wind dagger
[x] gigantuars -- maxed Chizuru to 100, got Luka up to 5* - 61
[x] sacred crystals -- you know Luka takes *15* to wake up to 5*?!)
[x] 6* materia -- not buying backups, but i have enough to wake up Luka to 6*
[ ] remaining star quartz (2,700)
[ ] speed materia (4,800)
[ ] megacites (15,000)
[ ] 70k moogle (70,000)
Still thinking about the speed/dodge materia and whether I want to bother to grind for the megacites. Unless something changes there's no way I'm trying for the 2nd moogle.
[x] 30k moogle
[x] all the tickets
[x] wind dagger
[x] gigantuars -- maxed Chizuru to 100, got Luka up to 5* - 61
[x] sacred crystals -- you know Luka takes *15* to wake up to 5*?!)
[x] 6* materia -- not buying backups, but i have enough to wake up Luka to 6*
[ ] remaining star quartz (2,700)
[ ] speed materia (4,800)
[ ] megacites (15,000)
[ ] 70k moogle (70,000)
Still thinking about the speed/dodge materia and whether I want to bother to grind for the megacites. Unless something changes there's no way I'm trying for the 2nd moogle.
I'm still at 5k orbs and I need 30k to get all the 6 star awakening mats and the gigantaurs. Probably wont be able to grind enough for all of it tbh
greyshark
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Am I wrong about the rate? You do get a slight bonus for the guatanteed gold in an 11 pull, but it's not that much better is it?
PantherLotus
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Advocatus Diaboli
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Getting there. I don't need awakening mats because Rain was awakened cheaply, though I might top off one or two. I've got most of the megacites, the speed materia, and the HP/wind dagger. In the process of getting tickets. I don't care about Star Quartz because arena; same goes for the 70k moogle. Might get the 30k moogle, but I'm not stressing about it.
I will probably get gigantuars for the inevitable Ariana grind to 100.
Muku
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PantherLotus
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the rate up on 11 pulls is only on the last crystal, it's for 4*s and up, and it's only to 5%,
to get a target banner rainbow unit with a rate of 0.5%, you have to know first that the rainbow pool is up to 68 units now (?). The rate to pull a rainbow is around 1%, or one in every hundred pulls. So when you pull a rainbow, you then have a one in sixty-eight (1.5%) chance of getting the rainbow you want.
So just on a single pull your chance of pulling the exact rainbow banner unit you want is 1.5% of 1%, or .015%, or basically one in a thousand pulls.
The math for 11 pulls is slightly different since the pool for gold crystals (or better) is different than only rainbows, but it's similarly terrible. And it's only one one unit for each of those 11 pulls.
Shorter version: nobody is approaching 65% chances of pulling anything.
greyshark
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Isn't that the off banner 5* rate? I would think on banner 5* has a better chance of being pulled given a single rainbow.
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
I thought it was 1% rainbow, then a 50% chance of being the designated on-banner 5* and 50% of being an off-banner 5*, which could be anything from Alma to Zidane (and Noctis in between).
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Yes the 1/1000 bit is for a specific off banner 5* base unit.
let me pull up some evidence for on-banner units. one sec!
let me pull up some evidence for on-banner units. one sec!
greyshark
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That was my impression as well - which would give you a 0.5% rate.
Advocatus Diaboli
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I don't think there's enough evidence to assess this, but I really wonder whether there's any math behind off-banner rainbows. And by that, I mean if there's any skew in the distribution towards certain bases (or characters) at all.
We've all read horror stories about Troll Galufs, and I'm just about ready to break out my Troll Gilbert for my Arena Band (so he's useful after all!), but I wonder if there's any sorting that occurs. Like, we know On-Banner vs. Off-Banner is the decision point. Let's take the latter.
Does it go Rainbow (Off-Banner) -> Entire Pool of Possible 5*-Awakened Units, or does it go Rainbow (Off-Banner) -> Initial Base Calculation -> Smaller Pool of 5*-Awakened Units?
I have no idea, and hopefully the point's moot with the crystal change coming "soon," but I've basically got a 50/50 split between shit-tier and awesome off-banner rainbows, so it makes me curious.
We've all read horror stories about Troll Galufs, and I'm just about ready to break out my Troll Gilbert for my Arena Band (so he's useful after all!), but I wonder if there's any sorting that occurs. Like, we know On-Banner vs. Off-Banner is the decision point. Let's take the latter.
Does it go Rainbow (Off-Banner) -> Entire Pool of Possible 5*-Awakened Units, or does it go Rainbow (Off-Banner) -> Initial Base Calculation -> Smaller Pool of 5*-Awakened Units?
I have no idea, and hopefully the point's moot with the crystal change coming "soon," but I've basically got a 50/50 split between shit-tier and awesome off-banner rainbows, so it makes me curious.
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
6*-capable Full Breaker with Cheerga. He's got low stats and can't really deal much damage, though. He's also useful for the upcoming Greg trial (
because, with Dual Wield and the Wind Dagger and a holy-element sword equipped, he can hit for 4 elements and seal 4 of Greg's 5 abilities of doom
Plus, we'll be getting story character-only content eventually, which is where Rain will ironically shine.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
1. So judging from the Dark Fina, Noctis, and Elza banner survey results from reddit, the rate for each sits between 1.18% - 1.90%. Or 1-2 every 100 pulls.
2. The 'rainbow rate' for the +1 on a 10 pull sits around 11%-14%. Which means out of 100 11-pulls, 11 of those +1s will be a rainbow. The problem is the pool of rainbows (any unit than reach 5*s) is now at least 68 units. My understanding is that the rate of pulling the unit you want out of this pool is 5%.
3. That said if you pull an 11, I think this is how the math works out. I think.
[1] 1%-2%
[2] 1%-2%
[3] 1%-2%
[4] 1%-2%
[5] 1%-2%
[6] 1%-2%
[7] 1%-2%
[8] 1%-2%
[9] 1%-2%
[10] 1%-2%
[11] 5%
The problem is that you can't really add all these percents together ("i have a 15%-25% chance of pulling the 5* base i want on this banner") because every crystal runs that 1-2-5% rate regardless of what was pulled before it.
So while logic might tell you that if you make 6-7 11-pulls on a specific banner, you'd have a pretty good shot at getting the specific unit you want, your logic is wrong. Also I'm not good with math and don't really know what I'm talking about.
2. The 'rainbow rate' for the +1 on a 10 pull sits around 11%-14%. Which means out of 100 11-pulls, 11 of those +1s will be a rainbow. The problem is the pool of rainbows (any unit than reach 5*s) is now at least 68 units. My understanding is that the rate of pulling the unit you want out of this pool is 5%.
3. That said if you pull an 11, I think this is how the math works out. I think.
[1] 1%-2%
[2] 1%-2%
[3] 1%-2%
[4] 1%-2%
[5] 1%-2%
[6] 1%-2%
[7] 1%-2%
[8] 1%-2%
[9] 1%-2%
[10] 1%-2%
[11] 5%
The problem is that you can't really add all these percents together ("i have a 15%-25% chance of pulling the 5* base i want on this banner") because every crystal runs that 1-2-5% rate regardless of what was pulled before it.
So while logic might tell you that if you make 6-7 11-pulls on a specific banner, you'd have a pretty good shot at getting the specific unit you want, your logic is wrong. Also I'm not good with math and don't really know what I'm talking about.
Tickets, dagger, one copy of Seven's ability, gigantuars, elixirs, phoenix downs, sacreds, all cheap 6* mats, star quartz, all megacites - 99 Vajra kills & 5 Doublicorns. Finished right after maintainence.
70k Moogle is a trap for those who macro, as per usual. 30k Moogle kind of is but I may just roll 3 ELT runs/day which will get me most of the way there, then do a solid day of runs to snag it, or hope on a Doublicorn or two to make up the difference.
The dodge ability is a waste. People put too much effort into Arena, which seems like the only place it'd be relevant. I view the Arena the same as I do Earth Shrine Exploration - something I do a couple times a day for the rewards. It's about equally easy to stay in the top 30k as it is to kill Belmodar.
Hippopuncher12
Member
This is accurate. If you get a rainbow it's a coin flip if it's the on banner unit or units and something off banner base 5* or lower.
Hippopuncher12
Member
Got everything except the 70k Moogle/Materias and the 5* mats. Since I will still do it 3 times a day for the daily I will probably get some of the 5* mats from the excess phantoma I get.
Fair enough
I'll just keep with Agrias. She has better damage abilities, and on hard content I usually in with Refia and Cecil anyways so buffing isn't really an issue
Shouta
Member
70k Moogles are usually a trap if you can't run a full team and your luck with bonus mobs is bad. If you can run a near full team, then I think it's totally worth it even if it's a little off. Being able to store that for Base 5-star TMs is huge.
Edit: JP has recently swapped to 5 1% Moogles at 50,000 for all (so 10k for 1%) instead of the 2nd 70k one so yeah...
Edit: JP has recently swapped to 5 1% Moogles at 50,000 for all (so 10k for 1%) instead of the 2nd 70k one so yeah...
They might as well remove it here then. Why the fuck they would just go and remove one of the best, and already grind as fuck, rewards. And then replace it with the biggest middle finger alternative.
I can't understand this company. Part of me just thinks they purposely sabotage the players because they know most already wasted too much money on this piece of shit.
Shouta
Member
Well, they started giving out 5% moogles with the high level fights during currency events is the big reason. So technically, it's 50k + a challenge fight for 10%. That's less grinding but more difficult for some to get as a result.
So you meant 50k for the whole 5 1% Moogles? That's OK, I understood they were 50k each.
Shouta
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yeah, for a total of 50k, lol
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