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[robotuw]

Everybody, I want to know what you really think about the current rates though.

Like seriously, are you happy with them?

Are you going to be playing a year from now if they never give us better rates? Are you going to keep spending money on Lapis at these rates?

I've been lucky in the past so I think even getting a "standard" rate this coming week would be a disappointment for me. I'm going to spend a lot of resources so we'll see how it goes.

I think Gumi is planning to make all future banners have two 5* units (with maybe a few exceptions to drum up excitement) and they will hold off on the 3% rate so we appreciate it more when it does happen. In the mean time people will strongly resent them, including myself. I've bought two bundles in this game so far and I won't be buying the reruns that are coming in a week.

Whether I'm playing in a year depends more on luck than Gumi's decisions, but if I get to a point where I can't beat most of the content I will stop. Right now I'm a minnow/sardine who can clear basically everything (didn't do Aigaon but only because I haven't tried). The lapis rates have always been shit and even with the "half-price" bundles I've been reluctant to buy them. I get them more to reward Gumi for the time I spent than the direct lapis I get from them.

 

[tuffymon]

Everybody, I want to know what you really think about the current rates though.

Like seriously, are you happy with them?

Are you going to be playing a year from now if they never give us better rates? Are you going to keep spending money on Lapis at these rates?

Not pleased with it, but I know it gets adjusted later to 3%... I'll just do like I am now, hoarding to pick and choose banners... I don't think we have any of the other real collabs coming our way (Grande doesn't count). Imo, dropping on a collab is great, I'll pick up all sorts of units that I skipped out on before, and we all know off banner rainbows happen as well. I don't buy lapis per say, but I have bought most of the bundles, they are actually a much higher value. What's odd is after Nier, I don't have a specific unit that I'd like to hoard / chase for..., that doesn't mean I don't find some units to be awesome, just I'm indifferent on whether I get them or not?

 

[Squall ASF]

I've been hoarding crysts too. I'm namely waiting on Tidus and WoL while looking forward to seeing what Noctis' will be when it hits Japan.

Glad that Nier is hitting this week as I'm tired of seeing another game constantly mentioned in a thread for this game ;p Hurry up and get this banner over with so we can get back to more FF talk ;p So we assume OK is coming soon with Ariana's crap being this month too. There's still room to get Ayaka in but I won't be surprised if she's pushed back to next month. Everyone wants Nier and OK, just give me Ayaka please, Gummi.

I agree that this story event is the lamest one thus far which is a shame because I was way more interested din these characters going into it than the past two. Although I'm only on dungeon 8 so hopefully the final boss battle will be interesting. Would be cool to have a reverse ES battle. In any case, the rewards feel fantastic, so many crysts! Also, no stupid mission objectives! I've been able to use my main team through out which is awesome. Hopefully story events will be in a consistent rotation as they are a great source for crysts. I imagine they will be from what Shouta used to say about them being the primary source for most of the crysts. He wasn't kidding.

As an aside, I cracked up when I saw I was in the top 30k for Arena last week considering I only did 5 runs a day for the daily rewards haha I'm sure most of you were in the same boat.

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

I'm not saying "Hate this game forever and stop playing."

I'm saying that right now, as it currently is, spending money on this game is a massive waste of money, because the larger than small chance that you will get absolutely nothing for it.

And I want everyone to realize that until the rates improve, the odds are really, really against you.

Still a fun time-waste, when you're bored.

But as a collection-hobby, oh jeez not even in the ballpark of reason.

Thing is, I'm so invested now I most likely won't stop until the server's die.

OR if I feel like everything I've spent so much time and money on quickly becomes obsolete. Like what happened with Record Keeper. Fuck that game so hard.

 

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Thing is, I'm so invested now I most likely won't stop until the server's die.

OR if I feel like everything I've spent so much time and money on quickly becomes obsolete. Like what happened with Record Keeper. Fuck that game so hard.

Yeah, Record Keeper fell off hard for me. I basically made the conscious decision to only touch that game briefly twice a week, do some (but not all) of the content, and just collect rewards. Same with Fire Emblem Heroes: I love the game, but I don't have enough time or energy to worry about how to mix and match skills and the various meta-elements, and I never will.

I'm too invested in FFBE, and that's fine, considering I buy maybe two other games during an entire year. Hell, this year, until I picked up a Switch, it was JUST Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia for 3DS.

I wish the rates were different and/or we had some kind of trade-in available. I mentioned this in the Discord chat the other night, but I used the Expedition ticket on the Veritas banner and got... a dupe Tidus. It's actually comical at this point: the game will not give me DV, even though I'd probably cash in five 5*s for him.

 

[Euphoria14]

I absolutely hate the rates.

There was a point in time where everything seemed to improve, shortly after the crystal change. If I hoarded for a particular banner, chances were that I would no doubt get the 4* in the batch.

For the last 2 months though? Omg, it's terrible. I'm getting tons and tons of launch era 3* and 4* units, like Rosa, Charlotte and Ludmille.

Yeah I mistakenly paid $25 into the game a week or so back, but that won't keep me invested in this game.

I have a great team right now, with 2x Orlandeau, Tilith, Rikku and WoL, but I'm still constantly on the fence.

I know eventually my team will be obsolete. I can't continue with rates where it takes 3x 10-pulls and 20 tickets just to get he banner 4*. That was for Rikku.

After I finally pulled her I've gotten 2 more. Figures, right?

If I end up spending my 10,000 Lapis and (56) tickets and somehow manage to not walk away with a 9S or two, that would probably be it, because hoarded all those resources for months and ending up empty?


That's just straight up BS. What sucks more is that it's entirely possible.

 

[Hippopuncher12]

Everybody, I want to know what you really think about the current rates though.

Like seriously, are you happy with them?

Are you going to be playing a year from now if they never give us better rates? Are you going to keep spending money on Lapis at these rates?

The rates are absolute shit. I have played quite a few "gacha" games in the last year or so, and this one has without a doubt the worst rates of any of them I have played. FE:H, FFRK, Tales of Link (This one is pretty bad also), Brave Frontier (Probably the best overall rates, and the shit is also a Gumi game), Puzzle and Dragons (This one isn't good either, but I don't know if has "banners" I didn't really play that often), Tales of Rays, Kingdom Hearts (This one actually might be worse now that I think of it, fuck this game with the force of a thousand suns). Anywho as someone who chases units pretty regularly it's ridiculous that someone would have to pay hundreds of dollars for a single unit. The 3% rate will help, but that is still not high enough in my opinion. Should be 5%. I won't quit or anything, but you can be sure as shit I won't be chasing double 5* banners very often.

 

[Shouta]

I thought everyone agreed not to be chasing rainbows already.

 

[Broseybrose]

Everybody, I want to know what you really think about the current rates though.

Like seriously, are you happy with them?

Are you going to be playing a year from now if they never give us better rates? Are you going to keep spending money on Lapis at these rates?

I am absolutely not happy at all with the rates in this game.

Ive pulled exactly 5 rainbows in the year Ive been playing. And one of those was a guaranteed 5* ticket, so only 4 really.

But I cant say whether Ill still be playing a year from now.

 

[Euphoria14]

I thought everyone agreed not to be chasing rainbows already.

If they did then Gumi would have increased Rainbow rate by now.

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

Yeah, Record Keeper fell off hard for me. I basically made the conscious decision to only touch that game briefly twice a week, do some (but not all) of the content, and just collect rewards. Same with Fire Emblem Heroes: I love the game, but I don't have enough time or energy to worry about how to mix and match skills and the various meta-elements, and I never will.

I'm too invested in FFBE, and that's fine, considering I buy maybe two other games during an entire year. Hell, this year, until I picked up a Switch, it was JUST Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia for 3DS.

I wish the rates were different and/or we had some kind of trade-in available. I mentioned this in the Discord chat the other night, but I used the Expedition ticket on the Veritas banner and got... a dupe Tidus. It's actually comical at this point: the game will not give me DV, even though I'd probably cash in five 5*s for him.

Yeah man, the power creep was ABSURD in record keeper. You could visibly watch that shit move every single month. I had to give it up.
I'm still pretty into fire emblem but I'll admit I've had insanely good luck with my pulls in that game. It's the only other mobile title I'm into besides Exvius.

That sucks you can't get DV, but seriously if you can chain with double Tidus(Android magnify option setting) it's actually incredibly good. I have two of him and I don't want to bother with any other damage dealers.

 

[Zera_Bloodwinter]

The rates are absolute shit. I have played quite a few "gacha" games in the last year or so, and this one has without a doubt the worst rates of any of them I have played. FE:H, FFRK, Tales of Link (This one is pretty bad also), Brave Frontier (Probably the best overall rates, and the shit is also a Gumi game), Puzzle and Dragons (This one isn't good either, but I don't know if has "banners" I didn't really play that often), Tales of Rays, Kingdom Hearts (This one actually might be worse now that I think of it, fuck this game with the force of a thousand suns). Anywho as someone who chases units pretty regularly it's ridiculous that someone would have to pay hundreds of dollars for a single unit. The 3% rate will help, but that is still not high enough in my opinion. Should be 5%. I won't quit or anything, but you can be sure as shit I won't be chasing double 5* banners very often.

P&D was my first gatcha years ago. Rates were fucking horrible and I don't think I've spent as much here as I did there. I still play FE:H and the rates are much better there than here. I enjoy FE:H a lot but FFBE has more to do so I devote more time to it. I'm not going to quit and I know I've said this in the past but I really need to stop spending large sums of money on this god damn game. I should have never pulled for Dark Veritas. I didn't need him but seeing all your uber ass DV's made me weak and I paid the iron price. Would have rather took those resources and spent on Nier like I had planned to.

 

[Chinner]

I thought everyone agreed not to be chasing rainbows already.

It's getting to the point where it's almost pointless to be chasing golds too.

 

[Euphoria14]

I'm aggravated about Ramza too.

He was pulled so long ago. He released in October 2016 damnit!


They release so many new units while ignoring old.

Where the hell are he upgrades to 4* max units in the pool? Why is Shadow, Edgar, Cyan, etc in there if they never plan to upgrade them already?

So long overdue.

 

[Celegus]

I thought everyone agreed not to be chasing rainbows already.

Haven't done so yet! Don't chase rainbows kids!

Everybody, I want to know what you really think about the current rates though.

Like seriously, are you happy with them?

Are you going to be playing a year from now if they never give us better rates? Are you going to keep spending money on Lapis at these rates?

I don't spend money purely because the rates are so bad. I'll get what I get for free (or the really cheap bundles, I've spent a grand total of $13). Spending $50 and getting nothing for it would leave such a yucky taste in my mouth. I love the game to pieces, but the monetary side of it is a complete rip-off.

 

[Euphoria14]

It's getting to the point where it's almost pointless to be chasing golds too.

I agree with you and it doesn't help when Gumi knows how anticipated a unit like 9S is. She what do they do?

They create a new 4* just to dilute the pool.


This is why I don't put money into the game. If I did I would be so upset right now after investing so much, just to get treated with "Hey, now you have to spend even more now!".



I really hope I'm proven wrong on this banner. Gilgamesh banner almost wrecked me back in the day.

The rates were terrible back then too.

 

[StrikeNinja24]

I was as well. But I sucked it up and followed the guide. It's really simple and then I cleansed all traces of it ever being downloaded lol

Where's that guide again?

 

[Celegus]

I agree with you and it doesn't help when Gumi knows how anticipated a unit like 9S is. She what do they do?

They create a new 4* just to dilute the pool.


This is why I don't put money into the game. If I did I would be so upset right now after investing so much, just to get treated with "Hey, now you have to spend even more now!".



I really hope I'm proven wrong on this banner. Gilgamesh banner almost wrecked me back in the day.

The rates were terrible back then too.

At least the literal troll golds/rainbows are gone. Now we just have Hope and Lightning.

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

Where's that guide again?

https://exvius.gamepedia.com/Installing_from_ONE_store

 

[Euphoria14]

At least the literal troll golds/rainbows are gone. Now we just have Hope and Lightning.

Anniversary Guaranteed 5*?

They gave me Lightning, lol. My first one.

 

[Syntsui]

The rates will be good in 2-3 years, relax.

 

[Broseybrose]

Anniversary Guaranteed 5*?

They gave me Lightning, lol. My first one.

Same here. 6 months late, but hey I got a Lightning!

If theyre going to be doing these double rainbow banners, the rate should be at least 5%-6%. That is what I think a fair compromise would be. It's not generous at all, but a compromise.

 

[Euphoria14]

Same here. 6 months late, but hey I got a Lightning!

If theyre going to be doing these double rainbow banners, the rate should be at least 5%-6%. That is what I think a fair compromise would be. It's not generous at all, but a compromise.

I just want better rates for banner units in general.

I pull so many off banner golds, it's ridiculous.

 

[Zera_Bloodwinter]

Anniversary Guaranteed 5*?

They gave me Lightning, lol. My first one.

Lightning for everyone. That was my 3rd one.

 

[Broseybrose]

I just want better rates for banner units in general.

I pull so many off banner golds, it's ridiculous.

That would be fair as well. There are many ways Gumi can do this if they wanted to.

The EX points are an example, but that doesnt help much because the rates are so bad.

 

[evangd007]

- on enhancements - I enhanced Mercedes for her 100% ATK buff and that carried me through so much content until I nabbed Orlandu off banner. I think that's the only Purecryst I've used. The rest were small stuff that costs 1 Gigancryst max like Chizuru's Molt +1. I have a spreadsheet tracking my Gigancrysts and Purecrysts for Power, Support, and Guard to make sure I have enough for the enhancements I want in the future.

- on gacha rates: 5* - I work on 2 assumptions with respect to 5* rates. 1 - I spend very little money on this game. An occasional buyer of a heavily discounted bundle, never an outright buyer of lapis bundles. Ergo, my resources are limited and must be strictly rationed. 2 - 5* rates are trash. 1% overall, 0.5% banner means that I have absolutely no expectation of success. Ergo, I have no expectation of getting a 5* at all. If I do land one, it's a goddamn miracle.

- So, in a way, I recognize that the gacha rate is trash, but pay little mind to it. This runs contra to the way I feel in other gacha games. FEH? 6% rate! 3% banner! With a pity counter! Chasing should be easy! 200 orbs later, I either didn't get what I wanted, or got it, but -spd or -atk. FFRK? This banner has 4 items I want, 3 items I'd be satisfied with, and 1 whammy. I can't lose! *pull* 1/11 - whammy. In those games the salt flows because of expectation. In FFBE, I have no expectations.

- on gacha rates: 4* - On the other hand, I do get salty with 4* rates. I spent 40 tickets on FFT0-1 looking for Seven and didn't get her. She isn't even that great, just a nice-to-have for utility and mog king bonus %. Lesson learned. That is when I stopped pulling for the majority of banner 4*s and doing dailies every day. It made me over-cautious on spending, likely the reason why I have so much saved tickets and lapis. I'd argue that 4* banner rates are an issue, especially as we are getting more double 4* banners. It's not as much of a problem for units added to the general pool, but is an issue for time limited units. Yes, I'm talking about you, Tilith and Ling. And you're on the list too, 9S.

 

[Euphoria14]

You're all going to be in big trouble down the line.

In Brave Frontier Alim/Gumi made limited time units left and right.

Expect that soon.

 

[Hippopuncher12]

You're all going to be in big trouble down the line.

In Brave Frontier Alim/Gumi made limited time units left and right.

Expect that soon.

Yes, but the rates are generally much better in BF. At least now, not sure how they were a year after the game came out. They also have ticket bundles constantly.

 

[Pejo]

Despite me constantly changing my mind, the only enhancements I've made so far have been all 3 of Ace's skills and Cecil's best stuff. I want to enhance some damage dealers, but it's so hard to pick and they all use either Support or Power. Plus I haven't needed them to clear content yet, so it's definitely a "wait and see" approach.

I still really like the idea of a dark imperil team since I have by far the most good dark weapons out of any element, but then I'd need to enhance DK Cecil or Elza, or get Dark Veritas (which was why I went in on this past banner).

For dark weapons, there's: Moonblade (I have 3 Delita), Demon Scythe (I have 1 Elza), Deathbringer (I have one DKC). Those are a total of 5 weapons of 100+dmg with built in dark element, and compatible with one or more masteries once Wind Veritas is released.

Does any other element have that kind of coverage?

 

[tuffymon]

P&D was my first gatcha years ago. Rates were fucking horrible and I don't think I've spent as much here as I did there. I still play FE:H and the rates are much better there than here. I enjoy FE:H a lot but FFBE has more to do so I devote more time to it. I'm not going to quit and I know I've said this in the past but I really need to stop spending large sums of money on this god damn game. I should have never pulled for Dark Veritas. I didn't need him but seeing all your uber ass DV's made me weak and I paid the iron price. Would have rather took those resources and spent on Nier like I had planned to.

Man, lately I'd argue the other way, for feh, 160 orbs without a 5 star is nuts, im up to a 10% chance now...

I still feel like some people don't understand that... in the end this is a Gacha game... the carrot will only get dangled just close enough that you'll want to make a grab at it. Without a lot of money, you won't get every unit you desire... I have a ton saved for Nier and I may still not get a 5* or even a banner 5* with 200~ pulls...

So in the end what keeps so many of the fence sitters here? You know over time rates get worse, bigger pools, dual (and god i hope we never see a triple) 5* banner.

 

[Shouta]

It's getting to the point where it's almost pointless to be chasing golds too.

Stop chasing them and they'll come to you!

Or you can save the 4-star guaranteed tickets that'll start coming with every event for them, lol.

 

[Muku]

I just want better rates for banner units in general.

I pull so many off banner golds, it's ridiculous.

Same. But 99% of the time it is a Hope or Garnet. It's not like it even broadens the horizon of Golds it gives me. Someone at Gumi really like Hope and Garnet.

 

[Alkez]

Everybody, I want to know what you really think about the current rates though.

Like seriously, are you happy with them?

Are you going to be playing a year from now if they never give us better rates? Are you going to keep spending money on Lapis at these rates?

I dunno, the rates haven't really changed over the first year outside of fake 4* and 5*s being removed so seeing as I've played this first year I don't see why I wouldn't play the second year because of the rates lol.

The rates of rainbows don't bother me, what bothers me is the rates of on banner golds. Personally I would prefer 50% rather than 25%. But otherwise I knew what I was signing up for so I just don't chase rainbows. I did it once for Aileen, I may do it for A2, and if there's a Kingdom Hearts collab with Aqua I will chase once more. But on a general basis I don't bother. I really wanted DV but I got Victoria with my first ticket and realised there's no point chasing 0.25%

 

[Whales]

Yeah my biggest beef is golds... Getting a gold unit is almost as hard as a rainbow unit for me o.0

 

[DrROBschiz]

it should be

Rainbow 5%

Gold. 25%

Blue 70%

 

[Syntsui]

I hope (lol) you are fusing your Hopes and not selling them like me, it will be a shame if you pull Veritas of Light off banner someday and you don't have his best weapon.

 

[NomarTyme]

Stop chasing them and they'll come to you!

Or you can save the 4-star guaranteed tickets that'll start coming with every event for them, lol.

I agree because I got 4 ashes and 4 Rikkus. Too bad nier banner is limited time banner.

 

[Muku]

it should be

Rainbow 5%

Gold. 25%

Blue 70%

Can't be having it RAIN RAINBOWS ... please understand

 

[NomarTyme]

it should be

Rainbow 5%

Gold. 25%

Blue 70%

This would be awesome.

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

it should be

Rainbow 5%

Gold. 25%

Blue 70%

Yes plz

 

[Vashetti]

it should be

Rainbow 4%

Gold. 25%

Blue 70%

White 1%

Fixed

 

[Kouriozan]

I'm not feeling 9S at all, it'll be like 2.25% chances right?

Edit : with 2 4* it's 2.37%

 

[Muku]

Fixed

STAHP. Do not give them horrible ideas like this. LOL

 

[Euphoria14]

I'm not feeling 9S at all, it'll be like 2.25% chances right?

Edit : with 2 4* it's 2.37%

Ugh...

I'd better get two in my possible 77 pulls.

 

[Lyrian]

I thought everyone agreed not to be chasing rainbows already.

Yup, since OT1, if I remember correctly.

Look how well THAT turned out, roflmao.

It's getting to the point where it's almost pointless to be chasing golds too.

Yup. Gold rates are creeping ever-so-closer to Tilith pull rates. Pulling anything on-banner that isn't the blue consolation prize is starting to get to be rather laughable.


And lololololol at the devs' troll response about Ramza's enhancements. Said it before (as well as others here), and I'll say it again. ZERO chance for Ramza's enhancements before Roy is released + 1 month thereafter minimum.

 

[Muku]

Not going to lie. Liking this story events rewards and requirements better than the last ones.

 

[Lyrian]

I'm not feeling 9S at all, it'll be like 2.25% chances right?

Edit : with 2 4* it's 2.37%

1 in 42 odds. Slowly digest that number and let it sink in a bit.

EDIT: According to the Oddsbitch:

20 Pulls: 38%
30 Pulls: 51%
40 Pulls: 61%
50 Pulls: 70%
60 Pulls: 76%
75 Pulls: 83%
100 Pulls: 91%

It took me 40 to pull Victoria. Not looking forward to that kind of nightmare for 9S. That kind of rarity is just simply not sustainable in the long-run.

EDIT 2: Oddsbitch also agrees that the expected value for ANY on-banner gold crystal to appear even ONCE is 1 every 42 pulls.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Sup all? Fucking Nier banner and it's double rainbow...

 

[Muku]

Sup all? Fucking Nier banner and it's double rainbow...

Our new future. ;_;

 

[Syntsui]

Our new present. ;_;

Fixed.