That may be the "official" reason he got banned then. But the creepy stuff was definitely part of it, oh yes.
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That may be the "official" reason he got banned then. But the creepy stuff was definitely part of it, oh yes.
Professor Beef
Banned
He was being a creeper. Now let's drop it.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH.
Yeah okay.
Like Beef said, though, let's drop it. It really sucks being on the other side of a ban and seeing people talk about you.
But...Pokemon..
I really liked Seifer. It was so disappointing his character development gets dropped at the end since it was leading to him redeeming himself.
As for Zell, I found it interesting how he's treated like garbage nearly by everyone. He's a lot like Seifer in the sense he craves attention and respect but through positive means of getting it rather than forcing it from people like Seifer.
I also liked we had a story involving adoption rather than like all the others, parentless so they joined gardens.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Yeah, sorry about that. Won't happen again.
You're like a day away from finishing Xenoblade, man.
Alright, alright I'll finish it. But if you know who is still tacky and ugly when I fight them with my new party well...then I guess I'll just level up or something lol
Never fucking mind. Now I understand.
Lets move back to weeping about VI remake on IOS HAHAHAHAHAH...okay maybe lets not.
I missed this earlier and am only coming back to it because you said, right here, and I quote:
So, yes, I'm saying it's false.
If you don't want to try and understand Tifa's motivations and personality, and pin it all on one thing, then that's absolutely fine. But I think you miss out on understanding interesting characters, and I'm obviously going to disagree with you.
And it's not just Tifa. I think with a lot of FF characters, you have to dig a little deeper beneath the surface to get at their motivations. Whether it's the writing, the medium, or what have you -- most of them have something stirring up their actions but it might not always be apparent. And when you figure it out, sometimes it'll work for you, and other times it won't. I'm sure you remember how I feel about Squall. And when I replay VIII soon, I'm going to try and set aside those feelings and see if I can understand his motivations better. It may not work, but can't hurt to try. Rather than just holloring that "He's emo!" (which I don't even do but I think you get my point).
Meccanical
Member
I actually really understand and respect Squall, at least right up until he started crying about Rinoa.
I know apparently he always liked her and just pushed her away because he didn't want to be hurt or whatever but I never got that impression.
Maybe that's because I'm imprinting my own feeling about Rinoa into Squall which ain't right. :V
The dynamic between Cloud and Tifa is actually one of my favorite things about FF7. You have to understand, after Nibelheim she lost everything. And when she found Cloud she thought she finally got something back, only it was soon revealed it came back broken. So you have to imagine how devastating this was to her, and I imagine she blames herself for the state Cloud is in. She keeps dancing around the issue of Cloud's memory because she didn't want to lose him again, so she starts playing along with his facade as well because she just didn't want him to go away again.
I thought it was great personally.
I know apparently he always liked her and just pushed her away because he didn't want to be hurt or whatever but I never got that impression.
Maybe that's because I'm imprinting my own feeling about Rinoa into Squall which ain't right. :V
The dynamic between Cloud and Tifa is actually one of my favorite things about FF7. You have to understand, after Nibelheim she lost everything. And when she found Cloud she thought she finally got something back, only it was soon revealed it came back broken. So you have to imagine how devastating this was to her, and I imagine she blames herself for the state Cloud is in. She keeps dancing around the issue of Cloud's memory because she didn't want to lose him again, so she starts playing along with his facade as well because she just didn't want him to go away again.
I thought it was great personally.
Just because I disagree with a characters decisions doesn't mean I don't understand their motivations. I understood Tifa's very well.
You're claiming it's false that she didn't lie due to being scared he was going to leave. I posted the script showing it is definitely a reason she lies about his memories.
She wasn't compeletly sure how to react when he was claiming all these false things and when she thought he might leave she panicked and worried that she would lose him AND wouldn't figure out why he was saying what he was.
I get wanting more time, I really do, but once he started beating the shit out of Aeris and then nearly kills her before she is stabbed, Tifa should have said something. Instead, she allows the most unstable person in the group to take the black materia and constantly pushes him as leader when he should have been anything but.
I don't think she's entirely to blame, though. His actions get excused by the party many times. The thing is, none of them understand why he's doing these things nor that he is lying.
A character like Tifa you either like her flaws or you don't. Same with many other FF characters. It's just funny that Tifa isn't much of a target for hers compared to someone like say, Rinoa who's flaws are something she can't actually control.
Hey, if you're going in with an open mind about Squall then that's great but in all honesty a lot of your posts regarding him come off as very similar to summing him up in one word rather than understanding the character and his motivations. If you change "emo" to "asshole" or "dick" then it's still the same kind of post.
I've actually tried to discuss this stuff with you before in other Final Fantasy threads but it generally went nowhere. Oh well, that's what this thread is for!
Woah I just discovered 2 new cool unused Final Fantasy IX themes(from the PLUS OST)
Well the first is apparentely an unused Main Theme ( Melodies of Life version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbocBNAtgRY
The second is a remix of Melodies Of Life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwt5S6PDDQI
Well the first is apparentely an unused Main Theme ( Melodies of Life version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbocBNAtgRY
The second is a remix of Melodies Of Life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwt5S6PDDQI
You posted one sentence fragment from the script to back up your initial claim that the only reason Tifa didn't tell Cloud was because she selfishly didn't want to lose him. That's pretty disingenuous when you read the rest of that dialogue.
Tifa said:
I mean, dude. She's clearly giving several reasons here for why she did what she did. Although based on your post this morning, it sounds like you realize this now.
From what I remember, the one serious conversation we had on Squall just ended up going in circles, boiling down to how willing either you or I were to excuse his actions based on the information we were given in the story. There really wasn't anything left to cover. I know I gave my reasons; if they didn't work for you then there's not much more I can do.
There's nothing wrong with summing up a character as a jerk or emo or whatever, but a lot of the time you get people making these claims with little understanding as to why they even think that. Your earlier post on Tifa seemed to knock her down to something akin to clingy or desperate without any analysis of her character.
Wow didn't know that. The first one seems like something for a title screen or world map, the second one is strange
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I think you also misunderstood my posting of that section of the script. You made the claim that anyone saying she didn't tell him because she was worried of losing him was false so I posted that part of the script to show it isn't,
It seems we may have misconstrued eachothers posts.
She's way too defensive of Cloud and seems too afraid to confront him.
I never said it was the only reason. My post may have come off that way but that wasnt intended.
I think you also misunderstood my posting of that section of the script. You made the claim that anyone saying she didn't tell him because she was worried of losing him was false so I posted that part of the script to show it isn't,
It seems we may have misconstrued eachothers posts.
I don't think we've actually ever had a serious discussion regarding Squall but I could be wrong. What I recall is that I pointed out something falsely claimed about him and then the conversation never went anywhere.
I will actually stand by my belief that Tifa is clingy. It's just it's not only in regards to the lying. It was always noticeable that Aeris and Tifa were supposed to look opposite of what they actually felt. Aeris looked like the innocent weak willed girl but was actually emotionally confident and strong while Tifa looked tough when actually she was a lot more insecure and dependant than she let on.
She's way too defensive of Cloud and seems too afraid to confront him.
Do it. $50 is a pretty good deal unless you're getting only 2 characters.
You already know the answer.
But is it worth 50 bucks to go back in time and tell my younger self that ultimately he does get what he wants, whether he needs it or not?
Meccanical
Member
Yes.
Take pictures once you have them so we can see.
Take pictures once you have them so we can see.
I bought it, but it is going to my house, and not to my apartment, so you will see pictures only at Christmas time.
I'm super sorry I skipped a lot of stuff but I didn't want to drive the thread to a level of insanity rivaling mako poisoning. I can PM you though if you want.
This is actually a funny thing though, because we agree. Tifa IS afraid to confront Cloud and she CAN be clingy, but those traits stem from her unwavering loyalty to her friends. This girl just loves her friends so much she doesn't want to hurt them and almost blindly goes along with whatever they need or want her to do. We even see this is Dissidia when she displays this weird unquestionable trust in Kain. She's not necessarily insecure, but rather protective. As Meccancial mentioned, she's lost everything. She's keeping what she does have dear.
Like I said earlier, this is Tifa's strength and weakness -- thinking with her heart over her head. It doesn't always work and her friends sometimes DO get hurt, but I guess this is where we differ because I can't hate her for it -- her intentions are good, though poorly thought out. It's a very real trait.
This is actually a funny thing though, because we agree. Tifa IS afraid to confront Cloud and she CAN be clingy, but those traits stem from her unwavering loyalty to her friends. This girl just loves her friends so much she doesn't want to hurt them and almost blindly goes along with whatever they need or want her to do. We even see this is Dissidia when she displays this weird unquestionable trust in Kain. She's not necessarily insecure, but rather protective. As Meccancial mentioned, she's lost everything. She's keeping what she does have dear.
Like I said earlier, this is Tifa's strength and weakness -- thinking with her heart over her head. It doesn't always work and her friends sometimes DO get hurt, but I guess this is where we differ because I can't hate her for it -- her intentions are good, though poorly thought out. It's a very real trait.
Unquestioning trust in Kain is just a thing. Cecil has been stabbed in the back by the guy so many times in the last 20 years, and he never even worries about it.
The real thing we need to talk about now is Golbez. Great God in the FF series, or better than all the Gods in the FF series?
Dissidia spoilers ensue, based in part upon now faulty memories.
Golbez is the best God in the series.
The real thing we need to talk about now is Golbez. Great God in the FF series, or better than all the Gods in the FF series?
Dissidia spoilers ensue, based in part upon now faulty memories.
In Dissidia, we learn that Golbez is the one who made the flower. He plants this flower in a place where Laguna will find it. Golbez knows Laguna doesn't care two bits about flowers, but stages it so that Firion will have that flower. Firion has the flower, and he shares knowledge of it with Lightning. Lightning, influenced by the flower, turns on Cosmos, and leads the crusade to seal the Rift. Who leaks the Rift's location? The Cloud of Darkness, after she meets LAGUNA, after he has come into contact with the flower. How is CoD alone to do this? Golbez is busy running interference with ExDeath to allow Laguna and CoD some alone time. Also, who joins Lightning's crusade? Kain, after he's KO'D most of Cosmos' team so they'll revive next round. Who puts this idea in Kain's head? Golbez. Who does Kain share this idea with? Tifa and the WoL. WoL, Cosmos' personal retainer, agrees to "yielding the round" and lets Kain do as the plan dictates. When ExDeath could have joined Garland and company to stop Lightning and team from sealing the rift, Golbez delays him again. After the Rift is sealed, and all of the warriors KO'D, the WoL is almost defeated by the Manikins, forcing Cosmos to act on his behalf and save him, shocking her into action. Basically right after this happens, Golbez goes and sees Cosmos, and convinces her to commit suicide to facilitate the warriors' acquisition of the Crystals and escape from World B. Then, during the last cycle, Golbez personally oversees Cecil's quest to acquire his crystal and advises Onion Knight in gaining his and therefore indirectly aids Terra in gaining hers. Meanwhile, Sephiroth gets wise to Golbez' game, tries to steal the rose, but plays into Golbez' hands doing so, bringing the WoL and others into contact with the rose. The rose is also brought into contact with Zidane and Cloud, and Cloud shares it with Terra, who then turns it into the world full of everyone's favorite flowers idea, which becomes the hope the heroes rally to, with their crystals, post Cosmos' death and on their way to defeating Chaos. The deaths of Cosmos and Chaos, orchestrated by Golbez, move the Great Will, Cid Lufaine, to break his covenant with the Divine Dragon, Shinryu, and release the warriors from World B.
Golbez is the best God in the series.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
You know, I'm just gonna chalk the "Lightning can't feel emotions" up to a poor localization job. Cuz Lightning seems to be plenty emotional about the dying Chocobo in recent videos.
Meccanical
Member
No man. What you are witnessing is the Other M treatment.
They specifically said they wanted to make her seem "more human" with this installment.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Maybe I'm in denial and refuse to believe that they can't understand that saying "this person can't feel emotions" actually means "This person is incapable of human emotion". It's not even a philosophical point anymore, Lightning straight up has emotion written all over her face and in her voice.
So they're ripping off the opening to Type-0 now?
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
...I wouldn't know.
Lightning has to find a wounded Chocobo named "The Angel of Valhalla" which has been severely wounded by some monsters. Outside of that, don't know much.
You haven't seen the Type-0 opening yet?
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
No, I was holding out for a localization and just kinda forgot all about Type 0, honestly.
Meccanical
Member
When did Lightning start caring about chocobos?
I could just watch it but I really really really don't want to.
I could just watch it but I really really really don't want to.
Ah, well, minor spoilers then, and I apologize.
She stands by and just watches as one gets eaten alive on Gran Pulse in the first game.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
So, the "Angel of Valhalla", a white Chocobo, will lead Lightning, the Savior, to the Throne of the Goddess, the chair that Lightning bowed to in XIII-2, to fight the final battle that will decide the fate of the universe. Or so the legends say.
Back in my day, a white chocobo refilled Cecil's MP after a long night of sexomancy.
Meccanical
Member
Uh huh....
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
More of your IV fanfic?
Meccanical
Member
Corvo exist on a higher plane of reality than we do.
His experiences might not match our own.
His experiences might not match our own.
Red Mage
Member
So, Cecil was into beastiality?
Be honest: it isn't any worse than Toriyama's, now is it?
*Experiences not typical of an FF4 playthrough.
Did we not cover this when Schala talked about Cecil getting turned into a pig? Alchemy house was an experimental period in his life.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
As long as I don't have to hunt down 4 novels/750+ pages, a radio drama, countless interviews, 3 Ultimania, and a youtube presentation despite the fact that is what the fudging in game datalog should be used for... I'll concede that it is better told than Toriyama's. You'd have to PM me the goods to review to get the thumbs up from me.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Not making this easy, Corvo. You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
Have you never heard the expression "As the Crow Flies"? Of course I don't walk the walk.
I do, however, strut the strut.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Then I best be seein' you strutin' up here! Are you a Crow or are you a Dodo?