Well +- 39 from logins and 40 from events.
78-80 will be the range. So about 240. You can round to 300 from the free staff we will get eventually.
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Final Fantasy: Record Keeper |OT2| I HAVE NO MYTHRIL AND I MUST SHOUT
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Well +- 39 from logins and 40 from events.
78-80 will be the range. So about 240. You can round to 300 from the free staff we will get eventually.
The orb drop rate of dailies (when factoring in conversions) is about half of orbfest I believe. So it's good to do regardless. Just harder and doesn't give lots of XP.
I think it's approximately 100 mythril a month with daily mythril and events. That excludes any bonuses.
Certain dailies are worth grinding but it really depends on your party comp and skills. It's not orbfest by any means, but still worth it. If you have a decent auto attack party and some free time at work or school, you can burn through your morning/daytime stamina pretty quickly. And even quicker once they release the ++ dailies.
Thanks guys.
300 mythril sounds pretty good, especially since not a lot of banners interest me until then (Shadow SSB looks great but afaik it's also on the BSB banners, FFXII of course and Squall and Lightning BSB, but that's about it).
And yeah, I do most of my playing at work lol, so grinding dailies shouldn't be a problem.
I deeamt I got Thyrus last night btw. That's pretty fucked up. I blame my friend who's been playing for three weeks and already has better relics than me (Fusion Sword and Red Scorpion which are my best relics, but he also has Excalibur, Tifa SSB, two Organics', two Madiin's Horns and a bunch of other stuff), who did a single pull on banner 5 and got SG. Woke me up in the middle of the night with that shit.
300 mythril sounds pretty good, especially since not a lot of banners interest me until then (Shadow SSB looks great but afaik it's also on the BSB banners, FFXII of course and Squall and Lightning BSB, but that's about it).
And yeah, I do most of my playing at work lol, so grinding dailies shouldn't be a problem.
I deeamt I got Thyrus last night btw. That's pretty fucked up. I blame my friend who's been playing for three weeks and already has better relics than me (Fusion Sword and Red Scorpion which are my best relics, but he also has Excalibur, Tifa SSB, two Organics', two Madiin's Horns and a bunch of other stuff), who did a single pull on banner 5 and got SG. Woke me up in the middle of the night with that shit.
Star Falcon
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I wish i had the willpower to save up 300.
The only sure pulls for me are the Nightmare lucky draws. I think the first Cid missions for Ultimates are still a way off, no?
The only sure pulls for me are the Nightmare lucky draws. I think the first Cid missions for Ultimates are still a way off, no?
Braska event. So a little ways, yeah.
Too bad they fixed the stacking bug or you'd be set.
Beatrix SSB is amazing, worth chasing, its also on a good banner.
Prob not worth it if I have a synergy weapon but
I'm eye'ing a certain FF3 140 elite where no one has good RS gear for that realm anyway.
You are right. In general, natural 5* RS weapons will outperform +element weapons. +element amours however are amazing and should be pulled for. Looking at you Basch's Shield. Mathcraft is on page 23 and 35 here.
RocketDarkness
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Ended up going all the way to my limit of 250 mythril, so now I've got only ~130 banked after this weekend of mad pulling.
I hit 2/3 of the key SBs I was aiming for, but definitely got hit by the off-banner relics a bit (two XIII generics, the Kaiser Knuckle and the Spear). Fortunately, I did end up with Platinum Sword, the Bracer, and Agrias's shield (from the last pull!). Was hoping to get Tailwind, but I'm pretty satisfied with that clutch shield pull. I switched my RW to Lightning's SSB, combined with X's Lightning Steel and Agrias's shield. If anyone hasn't completed the X-2 Ultimate yet and can spare their RW for pure damage porn, let me know how big those numbers get (Friend code: GTwy). If Stamina weren't so valuable, what with that dungeon update just coming out, I'd give it another whirl and find out myself how big those numbers could get.
I hit 2/3 of the key SBs I was aiming for, but definitely got hit by the off-banner relics a bit (two XIII generics, the Kaiser Knuckle and the Spear). Fortunately, I did end up with Platinum Sword, the Bracer, and Agrias's shield (from the last pull!). Was hoping to get Tailwind, but I'm pretty satisfied with that clutch shield pull. I switched my RW to Lightning's SSB, combined with X's Lightning Steel and Agrias's shield. If anyone hasn't completed the X-2 Ultimate yet and can spare their RW for pure damage porn, let me know how big those numbers get (Friend code: GTwy). If Stamina weren't so valuable, what with that dungeon update just coming out, I'd give it another whirl and find out myself how big those numbers could get.
It probably is depending on your buffs. The double softcap is pretty brutal past a certain point now, so % bonuses that dodge it completely weigh a lot more.
There's no way to know since the global banners will be different, but it's possible.
Yda/Papalymo event is probably 4 months away.
And here I thought I wouldn't be able to use Shout meta when the time came. My pulls in the FF2 event and onward really changed that, I crafted and honed a second Lifesiphon to R4 yesterday and I already need a third one.
Technically, we can still get Sentinel's Grimoire in any of the Nightmare Lucky draws that begin starting from the White Mage one. They have all the relics for every character with the associated skill, and since Tyro has 5* everything, all his relics are in the pool.
Yeah that makes sense. If you can get 400 attack with kaiser shield and coral sword it is worth probably, because you will reach softcap with shout.
LossLess009
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300 here, and no platinum sword obviously.
That's it, that's EXACTLY it; I really have a hard time understanding how I and apparently the same other people have a constant, coherent and repetitive strike of under-performing pulls. I would imagine that after 1 full year of pulls, the statistics would naturally skew towards the average, or, AT LEAST, a very small amount of actually lucky pulls would happen.
Not that I think the game is broken, but surely I have difficulties in setting my mind to the "yeah, you see this part of the bell curve where nobody would like to be? that's yours" condition.
So after blowing around 600 mythril between Lucky Banners, SSBfest and FFTfest I end up with zero SSBs and no Shout. That's quite depressing after having gathered mythril for months.
The highlights of my Anniversary pulls, altogether, are: Lullaby Rod, Wutai Headband, Kaiser Shield.
For the sake of completion, I will add the screens of my FFT pulls (6/66):
Congrats to those with good pulls! While everyone is still hyped or disappointed about his pulls:
I BEAT MY FIRST ULTIMATE!!!!!!!!! I believe beat is a little bit understated. I destroyed it. 3 medals in everything without losing one!!! This is my greatest moment in FFRK so far. xD
Team was this + Shout RW
Started the fight with Aurochs Wheel to blind and poison them. Wall. Protectga and Shellga for extra safety and then I lifesiphoned them till my SSBs were ready. Tried to slow them down with Wakka and yeah Leblanc was down before she could use her Dispel attack on me. lol The rest was easy. I still can't believe what difference my pulls made.
SHOUT META IS REAL!
side note: this was first try without resetting the game because of RNG.
I BEAT MY FIRST ULTIMATE!!!!!!!!! I believe beat is a little bit understated. I destroyed it. 3 medals in everything without losing one!!! This is my greatest moment in FFRK so far. xD
Team was this + Shout RW
Started the fight with Aurochs Wheel to blind and poison them. Wall. Protectga and Shellga for extra safety and then I lifesiphoned them till my SSBs were ready. Tried to slow them down with Wakka and yeah Leblanc was down before she could use her Dispel attack on me. lol The rest was easy. I still can't believe what difference my pulls made.
SHOUT META IS REAL!
side note: this was first try without resetting the game because of RNG.
My god your luck is awful. Im sry man, but is all about streaks, before march I was no trinity and only 2 single 5* relics with soul breaks. Then Cloud event came and I got every single relic in 2 pulls including fusion sword on a single 100 gem pull. Now im on a tear I have every single relic I target for with minimun pulls. You will get there karma will strike you for good...and for me it will punish me at some time. I deserve it.
In Japan I got SG during the summoner abyss lucky draw...then got his cyclone grimore in the next one. They are definitely there...
Yea, I went from zero trinity items to all three in three banners, which put me off the tactics banner. I'll still do single pulls until it leaves just in case though...day one player and free to play bar 300 gems. Had decent gear considering but no trinity was hampering me a lot. Luck turns around eventually...it's a gradual process.
firehawk12
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Yeah, I mean I got Genji's thingie and the shield but I used 425 mythril across the 3 lucky banners, 3 SSBfest draws and 4 FFT draws and basically got nothing really major to show for it.
It got me to thinking about how some games just give you a mercy reward after you spend a certain amount of money. Like Love Live guarantees you a SR after you spend the equivalent of 250 mythril. It's sort of like, "well maybe you got shit for all those draws, so here's a chance to get something special". Certainly it'd make the run of getting nothing seem less painful.
To jump into to the crywagon, I got exactly 0 SSBs during the SSB fest and lucky draws. 0. Nil. Nothing. Jackshit. I spent maybe 200 mythril or something around that area. I know it's nothing compared to some of you, but yeah, shitty luck is shitty luck.
I got some good SBs, though, at least it's something. Anyway I reached the conclusion that you don't need dem cool SSBs to complete content, with my current team and abilities I can do the Ultimates.
I read in reddit that in Japan this works like that: everytime you spend mythril on a banner and you get no 5*, there is like a hidden counter that makes the probability to get a 5* in the next pull higher. I don't know if it works for global like that, too. I highly doubt it.
I got some good SBs, though, at least it's something. Anyway I reached the conclusion that you don't need dem cool SSBs to complete content, with my current team and abilities I can do the Ultimates.
I read in reddit that in Japan this works like that: everytime you spend mythril on a banner and you get no 5*, there is like a hidden counter that makes the probability to get a 5* in the next pull higher. I don't know if it works for global like that, too. I highly doubt it.
It's what I get for believing that I could increase my power through pulling on Soul Breaks /Equipment.
Moment of weakness, going to double down on what I should've done and was my approach to the meta game in the first place: Mithril refreshes and hone my 5* abilities.
That's why Mythril hoarding is not for me. The dissapointment of not getting what I want is too much, I prefer to just spend whatever mythril I have and hope for the best, that way you really feel lucky.
As others have said, ability honing is way more important.
btw, are they ever going to give us Hastega as an actual ability? It would diminish the value of some SBs, sure, but hell, that is happening everytime they introduce new cool 5* abilities.
As others have said, ability honing is way more important.
btw, are they ever going to give us Hastega as an actual ability? It would diminish the value of some SBs, sure, but hell, that is happening everytime they introduce new cool 5* abilities.
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As far as we can tell, no.
As for the FFT banner, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people were pulling under mistaken assumptions that the 2% rates on certain lower-tier items applied to the FFT banner. Those rates (which in Japan are available thanks to law) only apply to 7-item banners, e.g. the events that have two banners.
FFT is a single 9-item banner. Those rates don't apply. While we don't have a barometer for equivalents just yet with the new 13% rate as far as events go (all other events subsequent to the change to 13% have been 2-banner ordeals) it's closer to the SSBFest banners than a regular 7-item event banner.
Certain parts of reddit very well knew this already. If you check this document which reddit posted ~a month ago, those assumptions on the bottom chart are based on a 1% pull rate.
So what we have right now is a bizarre overlap of several factors - Global's typical look-ahead-and-overhype-certain-banners factor, which is afforded since we know exactly what JP got at any point in the timeline, leading to hoarded Mythril and perhaps a slightly-higher-than-factual perceived value of a few relics, crossed with simple misinformation on chances, which is leading to massive amounts of otherwise undue salt, along the lines of 'why did DeNA nerf the banner? Do they hate Global?', which as far as I understand is an incorrect statement based on the evidence above.
As to streaks, yes, they happen. On Global, historically it's led to a lot more fallout just because of the aforementioned hoard-everything-and-blow mentality. It really, really sucks when your savings for a few months results in zero of the items you want.
I'd go out on a limb and say this problem barely exists in JP, because you don't know what's coming next. You don't know if your current awesome banner is a local maximum for some time, or if the next banner over is going to be even better. You don't know when the orbfests are. You don't know when a double BSSB event is going to hit. So you just maintain a stockpile of Mythril you think is sufficient, especially for Fests, then pull when the banner looks good, all without the fuss of 'okay, well, I'll plan to have 300 for _____' and ending up with nothing. And guess what? F2P players exist on Japan and are thriving with a very reasonable success rate without all that planning ahead to whale 500 Mythril on a select few banners.
DeNA isn't obliged to change anything with regards to how pulls work. If people start quitting, maybe something will happen since they -are- a business and one that relies on retention and monetization, but other than that, they're not beholden to easing the pain, so it were, for people (well, the majority, considering we all want to min-max a limited resource, that being Mythril) who want to play this game a certain way, planning ahead and dumping into certain banners. It's also not a concept completely alien to them considering the Beginner banner literally is set up that way - you get a courtesy 5* regardless of your luck. So if they're not doing anything past that, then they simply aren't.
p.s. bears repeating that I know what it's like - first 6 months of the game I had two character relics and 2 5* armor. Went 1/44 on the first lucky draw, currently 1/34 on FFT banner. And again, along with every time I repeat this I fully acknowledge that the way I play this game, with my massive grindfest stretches, isn't exactly a good barometer to begin with.
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p.p.s. and yes, getting completely sick of gacha and quitting (for greener pastures as far as games go, or swearing off gacha mobage altogether) is a completely valid response, because in the end, if you get shafted, you get shafted. Not saying you should suck it up, and ESPECIALLY not saying you should cave in and start whaling.
p.p.p.s. I had half this post already ready before FFT because I suspected we'd be at this point of the cycle ;p
As far as we can tell, no.
As for the FFT banner, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people were pulling under mistaken assumptions that the 2% rates on certain lower-tier items applied to the FFT banner. Those rates (which in Japan are available thanks to law) only apply to 7-item banners, e.g. the events that have two banners.
FFT is a single 9-item banner. Those rates don't apply. While we don't have a barometer for equivalents just yet with the new 13% rate as far as events go (all other events subsequent to the change to 13% have been 2-banner ordeals) it's closer to the SSBFest banners than a regular 7-item event banner.
Certain parts of reddit very well knew this already. If you check this document which reddit posted ~a month ago, those assumptions on the bottom chart are based on a 1% pull rate.
So what we have right now is a bizarre overlap of several factors - Global's typical look-ahead-and-overhype-certain-banners factor, which is afforded since we know exactly what JP got at any point in the timeline, leading to hoarded Mythril and perhaps a slightly-higher-than-factual perceived value of a few relics, crossed with simple misinformation on chances, which is leading to massive amounts of otherwise undue salt, along the lines of 'why did DeNA nerf the banner? Do they hate Global?', which as far as I understand is an incorrect statement based on the evidence above.
As to streaks, yes, they happen. On Global, historically it's led to a lot more fallout just because of the aforementioned hoard-everything-and-blow mentality. It really, really sucks when your savings for a few months results in zero of the items you want.
I'd go out on a limb and say this problem barely exists in JP, because you don't know what's coming next. You don't know if your current awesome banner is a local maximum for some time, or if the next banner over is going to be even better. You don't know when the orbfests are. You don't know when a double BSSB event is going to hit. So you just maintain a stockpile of Mythril you think is sufficient, especially for Fests, then pull when the banner looks good, all without the fuss of 'okay, well, I'll plan to have 300 for _____' and ending up with nothing. And guess what? F2P players exist on Japan and are thriving with a very reasonable success rate without all that planning ahead to whale 500 Mythril on a select few banners.
DeNA isn't obliged to change anything with regards to how pulls work. If people start quitting, maybe something will happen since they -are- a business and one that relies on retention and monetization, but other than that, they're not beholden to easing the pain, so it were, for people (well, the majority, considering we all want to min-max a limited resource, that being Mythril) who want to play this game a certain way, planning ahead and dumping into certain banners. It's also not a concept completely alien to them considering the Beginner banner literally is set up that way - you get a courtesy 5* regardless of your luck. So if they're not doing anything past that, then they simply aren't.
p.s. bears repeating that I know what it's like - first 6 months of the game I had two character relics and 2 5* armor. Went 1/44 on the first lucky draw, currently 1/34 on FFT banner. And again, along with every time I repeat this I fully acknowledge that the way I play this game, with my massive grindfest stretches, isn't exactly a good barometer to begin with.
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p.p.s. and yes, getting completely sick of gacha and quitting (for greener pastures as far as games go, or swearing off gacha mobage altogether) is a completely valid response, because in the end, if you get shafted, you get shafted. Not saying you should suck it up, and ESPECIALLY not saying you should cave in and start whaling.
p.p.p.s. I had half this post already ready before FFT because I suspected we'd be at this point of the cycle ;p
firehawk12
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I think it's just made worse by being able to see what people get. Certainly seeing someone draw like all four main relics in a single pull while you pulled 6 times and get nothing is enough to cause at least some salt.
I mean, as clinical and predatory as that sounds, that's a main part of how gacha works. You see shit other people got that you don't and it evokes a 'maybe it's ok to put in some money' train of thought just to 'compensate for bad luck'.
(Which can make it worse when you still end up with jack squat, mind you)
(Which can make it worse when you still end up with jack squat, mind you)
Star Falcon
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Well wouldn't want to put a restriction on people sharing their relic pulls. It's biased reporting, sure, but at the end of the day it is just gambling and some folk are always going to be luckier than others.
Nah, there's not going to be any restrictions on posting your pulls. That'd just be silly.
Salt is inevitable regardless. Unless someone is going out of their way to be a dick and e.g. lord their sick pull over others, which would be all kinds of awkward to begin with.
For anyone, the person who has the final say in how to spend their Mythril (or disposable income), is ultimately themselves.
Salt is inevitable regardless. Unless someone is going out of their way to be a dick and e.g. lord their sick pull over others, which would be all kinds of awkward to begin with.
For anyone, the person who has the final say in how to spend their Mythril (or disposable income), is ultimately themselves.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I figure if you walk into this thread or into the subreddit, you're basically saying you want to experience the salt (or share your joy I guess... I don't think I've ever had that feeling with this game other than the first time I pulled my SG). You should know that you should probably ignore the thread the day a new banner comes out if you want to avoid negative feelings.
It's funny though, adding Shout RWs via reddit, I saw some guy with a 5** Platinum Sword and I can just imagine the guy getting 3 of them in a single draw. Because that's just how this game works.
It's funny though, adding Shout RWs via reddit, I saw some guy with a 5** Platinum Sword and I can just imagine the guy getting 3 of them in a single draw. Because that's just how this game works.
LossLess009
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I see your point; I just have the feeling this "bad streak" has been going on for a tad too long.
On the bright side, I have Wall and a plethora of Medica's, so I'll just RW Shout and do as WarAdept says, spend next mythrils on refills to farm Wind Orbs till I can R3 key abilities.
Would you suggest prioritising Thief's Revenge R3 for Yuffie (having Wutai Headband) or R3 Saint's Cross for Agrias (having Kaiser Plate)? I would go TR considering Agrias could use Lifesiphon and her SB.
Who would make a good third addition to the group? I have Zidane's SB (Butterfly Sword), Steiner's (Ultima), Zell's (Maverick), Barret's (Assault gun), Auron's (Shimmering Blade), Wakka's (Official Ball) and Locke's (Rising Sun).
TR would still be dependant on having a great weapon Yuffie can use per realm, but I think it's the better choice. Headband would definitely be something you'd want to fire off in an emergency, rather than lifesiphoning nonstop for it. You're right on that count, too. Yuffie should be in there to DPS.
p.s. Agrias' Cleansing Strike is an awesome mitigation SB when you can spam it. Stacks with virtually everything other than Heroic Harmony.
Probably in a 3-pull too lol
p.s. Agrias' Cleansing Strike is an awesome mitigation SB when you can spam it. Stacks with virtually everything other than Heroic Harmony.
Probably in a 3-pull too lol
Star Falcon
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Besides, draws like Wazzy's are always a good reason to smile even if they are 'bad' pulls. 
Agrias has the bonus of Lv.80 access whereas Yuffie doesn't get it for another couple months I think. You could then use Locke in her place?
Agrias has the bonus of Lv.80 access whereas Yuffie doesn't get it for another couple months I think. You could then use Locke in her place?
Star Falcon
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Yeah I think you're right, I misread the post a bit. Lifesiphon on Agrias, and then TR + Dismissal on Yuffie maybe (or Steal Power if you aren't using a Boostga).
Agrias really has an amazing skillset - SpellBlade, Knight and White Magic at 4+.
Agrias really has an amazing skillset - SpellBlade, Knight and White Magic at 4+.
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