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every fucking thread i swearPimpbaa said:
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Bizarro Sun Yat-sen said:
Yes I'm bothered by it. If an RPG is going to force a lead character on me rather than let me create my own, he or she better be a character I like. What makes me especially bitter about this is the fact that the other characters seem rather cool and any of them would have made a better lead character.
SolidSnakex
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You guys might wanna go back and check some of Amano's FF leads before tagging Vaan with that worst looking main character ever award.
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Just to clarify, I understand why people care whether the main character is appealing. What I don't really understand is why they seem to care so much about one particular attribute of the characters, namely whether they're masculine or feminine or whatever. To me, that's an awfully minor part of a person's identity.
Well, for one, I'm not I'm entirely show about "care so much". Anyone that is basing their purchase conditional on Vaan is out of their mind, no doubt. But those that so much as express their disproval should be perfectly fine. The problem is, I guess, that you have several people mentioning this. It adds up and Square fans get upset (even iapetus).Bizarro Sun Yat-sen said:
And the "one particular attribute" happens to be his appearance and invariably part of the character's essence. Which is a large deal when it's done RIGHT, so it certainly should be acceptable to note when done WRONG (according to some).
Except that this is Final Fantasy, the game series where you sit back on the couch and watch cinematic movies in between random battles and walking from A to B. It's not like Dragon Quest or other RPGs where you actually identify with the main character through the use of RPG conventions (such as figuring things out on your own or being able to explore outside of a linear path).
However, if there's anyone who's going to make the best damn cinematic RPG ever, it's going to be Matsuno.
Pellham said:Except that this is Final Fantasy, the game series where you sit back on the couch and watch cinematic movies in between random battles and walking from A to B. It's not like Dragon Quest or other RPGs where you actually identify with the main character through the use of RPG conventions (such as figuring things out on your own or being able to explore outside of a linear path).
However, if there's anyone who's going to make the best damn cinematic RPG ever, it's going to be Matsuno.
I'd argue that I identify more with the characters in a cinematic game than in a "real" RPG.
SantaCruZer said:
Because, as we all know, males who have a feminine air about them cannot go on magical adventures filled with death defying challenges to save the world. It sure does indicate that the guy is a pussy cat, and when I play I won't be able to take him seriously! What can I do, the game is ruined!
As pretty boy as Cloud and Squall were... they still managed to maintain a good deal of masculine angst around them... even if it could be too easily percieved as teen angst... but they were a step above what vaan looks like... and half a step above tidus it would seem.
But going back further... they had decently manly leads in FFIV, with Cecil, Kain and Cecil prime
Incidentally the guy that did that female passing off as a male character from magna carter isn't incapable of doing a good male lead... see Saladin from War of Genesis 3 for proof.
But going back further... they had decently manly leads in FFIV, with Cecil, Kain and Cecil prime
Incidentally the guy that did that female passing off as a male character from magna carter isn't incapable of doing a good male lead... see Saladin from War of Genesis 3 for proof.
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Zaptruder said:But going back further... they had decently manly leads in FFIV, with Cecil, Kain and Cecil prime
This dude?
Looks like he was ripped off the cover of one of those romance novels.
Like I said if you go back and look at alot of Amano's male leads, I don't think people would complain about what Nomura was doing with characters in FF8 and X ect.Zaptruder said:As pretty boy as Cloud and Squall were... they still managed to maintain a good deal of masculine angst around them... even if it could be too easily percieved as teen angst... but they were a step above what vaan looks like... and half a step above tidus it would seem.
But going back further... they had decently manly leads in FFIV, with Cecil, Kain and Cecil prime
Then again, both Cecil and Kain are clad almost head to toe in plate armor, making it hard to determine what they really look like anyway. Besides, using Amano designs aren't exactly the best way to go about when giving examples of "manly" characters
And given your Cloud and Squall example, men can only be men if they're grunting soldiers/cowboys? And on Tidus, check my first comment in this topic
Doom_Bringer
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This game will be AMAZING. I love all the trailers they have released so far. I love Vagrant Story and Final Fantasy Tactics, can't wait to see what Matsuno does with this.
I hope the World map makes a return with air and sea travel.
I hope the World map makes a return with air and sea travel.
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SolidSnakex said:This dude?
Looks like he was ripped off the cover of one of those romance novels.
You can't compare artwork like that to Vaan. Artwork like that is stylized and not realistic, whereas Vaan and his crew look almost like real people. That's why Vaan looks so wierd, he looks like a real androgenous person.
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Pimpbaa said:
Ok fair enough. Here's an FMV version of an Amano character:
soundwave05
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Amano's art style was never used for the characters in game though, was it?
When you actually played, the characters looked different.
I'll still pick the game up, but definitely not crazy about the artstyle at all.
The whole "female body with a David Beckham hairstyle/90210 and Michael Jackson face" thing is really making the FF series seem more like a teen pop music saga than a serious epic fantasy adventure.
When you actually played, the characters looked different.
I'll still pick the game up, but definitely not crazy about the artstyle at all.
The whole "female body with a David Beckham hairstyle/90210 and Michael Jackson face" thing is really making the FF series seem more like a teen pop music saga than a serious epic fantasy adventure.
SolidSnakex
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Is the new Cloud design girly too?
I just want to get a perspective on what some of you consider girly.
I just want to get a perspective on what some of you consider girly.
soundwave05 said:
RPGs can only be serious when the characters look like this
And the characters in old FFs didn't look like Amano's art because it was impossible to translate his scribbles into passable looking sprites back then. Still doesn't excuse the fact that his designs are far more "feminine" than anything made after Nomura came on the scene (weak, bullshit "realism" arguments aside)
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I'm not crazy about the new Cloud model either (why didn't just expand on the CGI look of FF7 the game?).
But compared to the FFXII guy he's like freaking Bruce Willis next to Clay Aiken. p
I think honestly Square is catering to Japanese teenagers by making their characters look like gay pop stars, but its really making it hard to take the franchise as seriously.
But compared to the FFXII guy he's like freaking Bruce Willis next to Clay Aiken. p
I think honestly Square is catering to Japanese teenagers by making their characters look like gay pop stars, but its really making it hard to take the franchise as seriously.
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"why didn't just expand on the CGI look of FF7 the game"
Because FF7's CG looks like sh!t now?
I don't think i've ever laughed at a CG character as much as I did when I saw Tifa's model. I don't know WTF they were thinking with that.
Because FF7's CG looks like sh!t now?
I don't think i've ever laughed at a CG character as much as I did when I saw Tifa's model. I don't know WTF they were thinking with that.soundwave05
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There are different FF7 CGI models, there are extremely high end ones, which still look decent today. I think they should've just taken those and made them smoother.
FF7: AC really has a dry/lifeless look to it, which is a shame because FF7 was one of the most eye popping games production design wise ever.
FF7: AC really has a dry/lifeless look to it, which is a shame because FF7 was one of the most eye popping games production design wise ever.
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belgurdo said:
Looks more like a lack of originality than an art style, as if the artists got lazy and copy and pasted the same face to every character with some minor tweaks (this is a complaint with that ff7 movie, not ff12). Oh, as for the girls I hang out with, they all look like Vaan :lol
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soundwave05 said:
I think you might be remembering FF7's FMV looking better than it actually does now.
FF7 Barrett:
FF7 AC Barrett:
FF7 Cloud:
FF7 AC Cloud:
Seems like a natural advancement.
belgurdo said:
Cecil was revealed later (in pld form). Yes, he was another 'pretty' guy... but he had at least a manly (or mature) aura around him, despite his prettiness.
As for the Cloud/Squall example... let me turn your comment around and say: "Cars can only be cars if they're ferrari's/volvos?" No... those are cars, but they're obviously not the only type of cars.
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When I first sore him I thought he was a she!