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Final Fantasy XIV |OT7| 1000 years DRAGONSONG War
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Gonna agree. Before hunts there really wasn't anything in the Overworld that was any sort of a threat. Hardly anything even dropped stuff that was useful either, so mobs were pretty much only there to harass gatherers and to act as a threat to people leveling up.
That isn't to say that I want mobs to be an huge threat to players at level 60, but they shouldn't be something you can just ignore or steamroll through either. I want a reason to sneak around mobs and the like.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Ninja should have an easier time getting through dense areas with Hide.
Unless the area you're going to is so dense with mobs that you'll get slaughtered as soon as you come out of it.
Unless the area you're going to is so dense with mobs that you'll get slaughtered as soon as you come out of it.
Well, thing is in Heavensward, you'll be able to get to any of the major landmarks without encountering mobs via flying. So if it's just a function of needing to get somewhere, that shouldn't be an issue. As such I don't see a problem with making it so you need to kill high level mobs if you don't want to eventually be killed by them, during those instances where you need to get to someplace that isn't a major landmark.
Granted, making them tough beyond a certain point WOULD just be annoying.
Do you think this will change though, even if mobs are "more dangerous"? Even dungeon mobs don't drop anything and are there as a time waster.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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You still have to reach the Aetheric current points in order to unlock flying for that zone (don't know if each one unlocks flying for a portion of a zone or if you need every one in the zone to fly).
Party disbands in Yhoator Jungle and you went to the deeper camp. You have no map or sneak/invis pots. Gobs everywhere. How do I get back to Kazham!? I'm only level 30!
That was fun and scary at the same time, but mostly due to xp loss on death.
Don't think HW is going to be as brutal. Fuck a single E
Dungeun mobs give you some Gil at least. Granted I'm not expecting that either, but it'd be nice if there were some slightly tougher overworld mobs that dropped items that were useful for crafting consumables.
Mostly though, it'd be for the sake of making the world feel a bit larger and more alive. The current overworld feels a LOT bigger at lower levels, merely because getting from point A to point B actually involves an element of danger. Granted that'd probably be too much danger for people at end-game, but still.
Yeah, but chances are every new zone is going to be attuned while players are leveling up and going through the story. I'm more talking about overworld mobs for level 60 players.
To be clear, I don't want mobs that're like level 55 or whatnot to pose a danger to level 60 players. That'd make these mobs absurdly dangerous for people leveling. I'm talking more akin to, "oh that group of mobs is level sixty, I probably shouldn't pull all ten at once."
I still remember my first travel to Jeuno. Shit was some Metal Gear experience.
Anyways, a couple of in-game friends are persuating me to come back for HW. Won't deny I'm interested (especially because I want to finish my NIN that keep leveling up in the free weekends), I'm just worried about gearing up for it. I don't even want to go close to Coil ever again.
Pyros_Eien
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Well at the same time being able to pull 10 is pretty nice when you want to do quests quickly and stuff. On my SCH while leveling(and at cap for some of the quests), I'd compensate for the dot and slower killing speed compared to DPS by pulling 4-5mobs together then using Bane to kill all of them at once(well bane and dot on whatever wasn't baned).
Also on that note, I feel like SCH is still gonna be zzz who cares with adds. I mean they can't really balance damage in such a way that it's threatening to a SCH and not completely stupid to everyone else. Probably will still level aoeing 3-4mobs at the same time without too much of an issue I'd say.
Also on that note, I feel like SCH is still gonna be zzz who cares with adds. I mean they can't really balance damage in such a way that it's threatening to a SCH and not completely stupid to everyone else. Probably will still level aoeing 3-4mobs at the same time without too much of an issue I'd say.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I think Yoshida said something about 2 or 3 mobs at once still being a danger to a level 60 in i170 armor.
Don't think he mentioned what level those mobs would be though. Presumably 60. Considering how high HP jumps once you get to 60 + better gear I can't see earlier level mobs giving much trouble if at all.
I used to get lost even with a map. lol
I don't mind a bit of difficulty, but pls.. nothing like FF11 again. (Not that I believe they would go back to that anyway.)
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170 is the darklight equivalent isn't it? I mean, if so that sounds about right. If that's accurate it'll be awhile before a player can solo a huge mob without any real danger.
Yep! So maybe it really will be pretty grueling on the ground since you only need to deal with that garbage "once".
I mean, there are several mobs that dropped really good stuff that people bought a lot of back in the day. Then patches hit and no new areas/mobs to farm with them so the items went other places. People used to farm for fleece, skins, and all sorts of other odds and ends to craft things because they actually had a decent value to them during 2.0. This doesn't have to be the case in Heavensward necessarily because of the larger areas allowing them to add more stuff in and move things around with subsequent patches.
Time to go see if it actually works or not.
Edit: It works \o/
DarknessTear
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Yay. Digital CE get.
the_sun_king
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I'm aware of that, but like you said, they didn't have any room to really add anything new. So eventually nothing on the overworld was really worth farming up. Also anything that might have initially been dangerous at level 50 was joke status by the time you reached ilvl90 (before that really.)
Hopefully the larger overworlds will make it easier for them to add additional stuff from time to time.
Edit: Also to go back to something I said earlier. Hopefully they'll consider actually adding zones between expansions this time. Would love to see new level 60 zones for Thanalan, Limsa, The Black Shroud, and Mor Dhona even if they ended up being considerably smaller than the new Ishgard areas. Might be pie in the sky, but I can dream!
Very good.
Yeah, the problem is moving forward and trying to improve them. I doubt the FFA will be going anywhere.
Pretty sure it's tied to your account and I believe it's all one package (early access, minion, and cecil stuff) so if you give out the code you also lose out on the early access.
HylianScribe
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Less comedy, more clearing in T11 last night.
http://www.twitch.tv/gamernightlive/c/6786761
And if you just want the T13 clear itself Ty, here's the highlight:
http://www.twitch.tv/gamernightlive/c/6786748
http://www.twitch.tv/gamernightlive/c/6786761
And if you just want the T13 clear itself Ty, here's the highlight:
http://www.twitch.tv/gamernightlive/c/6786748
Its bad that I think I know who you are talking about lol.
Why do people feel this way? Its the only challenging and interesting content in the game. So weird.
tiggerkiddo
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Because only a small percentage of folks actually like raid content?
Yeah but why?
Because in most progression groups there is almost always at least one person to overreact to mistakes. This creates a degree of social tension that ruins the fun of the raid for most people. This is of course on top of the rather hefty time investment.
In short, because jackholes.
Time commitment/effort involved is often big factor, then there is things like finding a group and the issues that go with that.
But also well, just personal taste, some people don't enjoy raid style fights.
If a single guy is ruining it for the group then just kick them. Or get a new group.
I'm not talking about progression, I'm talking about times like right now. Why wouldn't you want to do first and second coil (at the least) at this point in time? I get progression isn't for everyone but that's not what I was talking about.
EndcatOmega
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I wouldn't personally want to do second coil because they forgot to add DRG gear to the loot tables!
inb4 Tabris.
Now?
Maybe they've built it up in thier head, or they don't think thier usual support group is capable of helping them through it. Maybe they don't care about the story content, and figure it's too late to care about the gear.
Lots of different strokes out there.
True, but sometimes you have to power through it and you end up being successful. Since i'm usually a tank, I feel like the entire fight rests on my shoulders (which it usually does aside from dps checks), get a person to overract and thats a bad scenario period.
Actually had that problem with EX primals for awhile...but after the other night, my faith has been restored. Really does have everything to do with the personality of the people you're playing with. Of course you have to be familiar with your job, but that aside, its mostly party personality.
As for coil, i'm in it for story and content reasons. I want to see everything the game has to offer story, minigame, and battle content wise.
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Nightmare fuel.
Stop it
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