Dark_castle
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12 has armor, well partially.
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Huh what? I'm pretty sure Regis and that Iola whatever guy are not robots?
Also, Noctis has dodge magic yeah, but it's not unlimited, and his entourage don't have anything like that but seem to fight just as effectively.
I mean... they have guys with guns hunting them 24/7.
This is a fantasy based on nothing in particular.
TheGreatDirector
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The whole impractial clothing design has been a thing in Final Fantasy since FF6. Aside from the first five FF's which had armored characters either from jobs or classes every single character since then has pretty much had clothing that would unsuited for fighting. Compare FFXV's main cast clothing to 8's. Is it really that jarring in comparison? I understand that Noctis and his friends stand out in comparison to the rest of XV's inhabitants but there's a specific reason for that.
Just because previous games didn't do it right doesn't mean this one should, especially since it likes to play "down-to-Earth fantasy" card. The more realistic graphics get too the harder it is to maintain suspension of disbelief in this case. When Terra goes to battle wearing socks and a bath towel, well she's just a sprite, you can overlook that.
Cast of FF8 is pretty disgustingly awful. It's almost 100% teenage audience appeal. None of the characters in FF8 are equipped, visually or psychologically, to deal with the storyline they're put through. Even FF13 does this better. Yeah, it's not exactly combat wear, but there's thought that went into what the characters looked like - Eden staff has this retro-futuristic garb, Lightning wears a uniform, Vanilla and Fang are dressed in their native(?) clothing. Noctis' friends are his bodyguards essentially? But they dress like a Japanese boy band. Ehhhh.
FFXII and FFXIV really skewed my opinion on how a Final Fantasy should look and operate, but what I'm asking for here is internal consistency.
Can we agree not to resort to "Final Fantasy!" for a second? Because then Cidney is completely justified. Who cares, it's Final Fantasy! It had worse!
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Sure their clothes are impractical for combat but most Final Fantasy attire is.
In FFVIII they are Junctioning Magic to themselves to increase their physical and magical parameters, they don't really need traditional armor when they can equip Guardian Forces.
Vaan and Ashe arn't exactly wearing the most practical armor either.
Can we agree not to resort to "Final Fantasy!" for a second? Because then Cidney is completely justified. Who cares, it's Final Fantasy! It had worse!
Hell those designs worked for FFX because it's a tropical region. Terrible yes, but makes sense for Spira.
MagnaderAlpha
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Actually, the guy who throw baby-Luna on the floor was decked in armor. The only robots are the Magitek Soldiers, which I don't think ALL the armored soldiers are. The ones at the checkpoint in the Dawn trailer move differently than the robotic ones that fall from the drop ships.
That being said, I agree that Noctis doesn't need armor. I actually don't mind his clothing(nor the others in his group). Cor is a different matter. He's another one I don't mind changing(at least make him look his age, like a mature badass).
You and me both. Though I also wouldn't mind seeing something with the Steampunk-tech of VI. At least up to the graphics of XV or the FFVIIR(if it's going to look as good as we all "think" it will) and offline.
Noctis has more than just "dodge magic" and his magic shields & gives some power to the whole party. It's not an absolute shield that negates all damage nor can Noctis keep it up forever, which is why they can be KOd, but that's the in-game explanation why Noctis dying means game over. Without Noctis the rest of the gang doesn't stand a chance at all.
Besides, what good does a layer of metal do when fighting huge dinosaurs, ancient gods & other beasts? Not like it'll actually shield you from getting stomped or from huge fire spells. For Noctis, maintaining his speed & agility is much more important.
Also, fiction taking place in modern settings rarely dresses anyone in armor. At most someone might have a bulletproof vest, but even that is often abandoned. No one complains when Neo from the Matrix doesn't have some full-body armor or John McClane fights off an army of terrorists in a tank top, it's really a non-issue with FFXV as well.
YankeeDonB
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Heh, don't make me post the Ashe mini skirt come hither pic. Outside of titles with the job system, FF really doesn't do much with armor on the main characters. There's Cecil, Kaine, Cyan, Steiner, and... Other than that I'm drawing a blank.
The guys fighting Lucis have armor. Lucian warriors use swords, so armor makes sense if you're up against them. The guys fighting Lucis use guns. Medieval armor won't help you against a bullet, so it's not worth the loss of mobility. Is this kind of a silly setup? Maybe. But it's not totally random.
If you have guns you don't need armor against swords? I don't know. My suspension of disbelief is pretty busted at this point.
That's not what he said. Read again.
YankeeDonB
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We've been shown two primary groups of combatants: 1. Swords, no armor (Lucis). 2. Guns, armor (Niflheim). They're fighting each other.
1 uses swords against 2, so 2 needs armor for protection. 2 uses guns against 1, so 1 doesn't need armor, they need mobility. Capiche?
Okay, I'm with you so far. But it sounds like good old kevlar would at least help mitigate getting shot in the chest.
I'm only half-kidding.
Again, Noctis has magic protecting him that is far stronger than any kevlar, which would just hinder his mobility and, really, not be of any kind of protection against a brontosaurus stomping on him or against an ancient god's fire spells.
Come on, combat in all fantasy games & RPGs requires tons of suspension of disbelief. Just because someone wears an armor doesn't mean they could go through even 1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000th of the attacks that fantasy game/RPG characters go through.
YankeeDonB
Member
Lol, maybe his capris pants ARE Kevlar!
Honestly though, I feel they've at least done some basic work here to justify why their characters are running around with swords but don't wear armor, which is more than I can say for 98% of JRPGs.
YankeeDonB
Member
At the very least they'll bleed numbers.
If you have no sense of style, sure.
Why so many shoe laces? That doesn't work anywhere.
Makoto Yuki
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DiipuSurotu
Banned
artsi
Member
I love these designs for a female Cid because they're reminiscent of FFVI Cid:
Yeah and it's not like the original is too far away either with the color scheme, Tabata said that FFVI is his favourite after all so he could've been an inspiration.
Dark_castle
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After XV, I want Nomura to take a long break from character design work on mainline FF. Both Akihiko Yoshida and Yusuke Naora should lead the way instead.
He's not likely to break from his main vocation. Though I would like to see Yoshida draw the next main cast as he's the best artist they work with. Noara's a good art director, but I'd actually like to see Ikeda draw the main cast for a game. I like her style.
I'll probably watch it
for some train wreck
I've been hoping for this for years.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Tabata only finished one Final Fantasy game, Final Fantasy 1.
Ikeda's been responsible for her share of catastrophes (Elza was a crime against humanity), but with better direction I wouldn't mind seeing her design the main cast of another entry either - Snow, Rygdea and Nora were actually fairly good designs; and even Jihl was okay aside from the stupid tie. Though her going freelance might make S-E less likely to approach her - has she done any work for them since XIII-2?
It's unlikely, but I'd love it if he did a little more in terms of monster and creature design. He might mainly be known for his character designs, but it's a shame that he's not really doing anything in the vein of the Warring Triad, Mitochondrial Eve, Tree/Neo Exdeath and the Statue of the Gods anymore.
You guys are not serious, bringing practicality into the argument?
Not liking Cidney, or any other of the designs is fine, but using practicality as an argument, i hate it so much.
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Also, here we go again.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Probably but the oversexiness ruins it :/
Naora is probably my favourite FF art director but I'm not sure I like his character designs.
Do people like Caius's design?
artsi
Member
Not really, overall I'm not really fond of any designs in the XIII trilogy, don't know why but they just don't click with me.
I think the most I liked was Jihl, too bad she played such a minor role.
Do remember that character designs aren't all about the one drawing them. The director can often dictate what he wants out of a character's design.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I love Naora's work in The Last Remnant, Chaos Ring, and Front Mission 4. Emma Honeywell is best gal.
Damerman
Member
Woah? Wtf?
Would you really call a girl stupid if she made the decision to dress like cindy?
Don't get it twisted, the outfit is fine. The problem is that it was men who designed it for fan service despite being really impractical and inconsistent with the character's role.
Slut shaming really isn't neccessary, just because of how much you hate a character design.
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I like the character, she's beautiful.But yeah you know what i mean. I know guys like seeing that stuff, just as I don't mind myself looking at nice looking men but still I actually find that the mullet haired guy with the open shirt looks dumb. I mean really? it's as if their targeting the game at 12 year old prepubescent boys and girls lol.
I feel like they actually miss the point, some of the fan redesigns look much better to me, not only in a "looks like a practical outfit" kind of way, but even more sexy.
Don't you dare talk shit about my Gladio tho. I'll fight you.
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This one, both of these look a lot more appealing to me than her actual design. Especially the one in the right. They don't have to completely give up on making her sexy in order to make her less "dumb". On the contrary, they can enhance both things at the same time.
I love Nomura, but I'd be ok with that.
Though with FF XIV and now Nier 2, I'm more than happy with Yoshida's recent output.
n0razi
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I had to google "shinjuku boy band" to see what you were talking about... yah this is FF13 cast right here lol
The character designers hadn't figured out how to design characters that appeal to both males and females.
Not "the male character will appeal to the female" or "the female character will appeal to the male", but "the female character will appeal in general" or "the male character will appeal in general". While Final Fantasy thinks about being a global product, its character designs don't.
Not "the male character will appeal to the female" or "the female character will appeal to the male", but "the female character will appeal in general" or "the male character will appeal in general". While Final Fantasy thinks about being a global product, its character designs don't.
MatrixMan.EXE
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I'm almost certain he won't be doing the designs for FFXVI. Assuming the Ito is working on it, I'd bet Yoshida will do the designs. Actually, I'm hoping they use him more often going forward. He's a far, far better artist than Nomura in my opinion, and I say that as someone who generally loves Nomura's work.
sensui-tomo
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Its been a long time coming, almost there.
I don't really agree, I find Noctis and co. aesthetically pleasing. Their "boy band" all-black design I see as minimalist/conformist. I don't think it's fair to say all men find Gladio unappealing, just because some (most) women find the open-jacket look appealing.
artsi
Member
As many said before regarding gameplay elements, you just can't please everyone.
The world of art would be pretty boring if it was always made to please the majority.
As a fellow artist I like to give designers and directors their artistic freedom to choose what they want to display, and Roberto Ferrari / Tabata have designed Cindy like they wanted so I totally respect it if they choose to stand their ground.
Some will like her (even females) and some won't.
Also some just won't admit liking her because they might fear to be thought as sexists.
Same goes for the main cast, personally I like their designs as a straight male.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
People will now try to discredit him because of this, right?
He doesn't have to have finished every single FF to get a grasp of their gameplay and overall style (as if they radically change after 10-20h). How many working adults have the time to spend 60h playing one game (see all these GAF posts about growing backlogs)? You would be surprised how few game directors even play their own games to completion from start to finish after they've already seen every single part hundreds of times in different completion states.
Besides, he likely spent most of his time playing his actual favorite genre, KOEI'S Historical Simulations (he states one of his dreams would be making one of those).
As a game director he should, however, understand what's happening in the gaming world by playing at least a bit of the most relevant titles to get a feeling for the changing tastes and not to stay behind the times. And he apparently does that when you read interviews with him showing that he knows and understands current trends and development methods, especially the difference between Japanese and Western studios' approach.
I think it's good to have someone make FFs who isn't crazy hardcore about it. They'll be more willing to change, reinvent and assess unnecessary baggage of nearly 30 years.
MagnaderAlpha
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I don't think we'll get a long break, but I think Square(and perhaps Nomura himself) is slowly allowing his work to be weened off of the FF series by introducing more and more "other artists" while keeping his designs minimal. Hell, maybe this is a good thing, if FInal Fantasy's about change, why stale with one overpowering art style and an artist's look since 1997? Amano's "artistic face" of the series hasn't been THAT long. I think it's fair to move on. There are plenty of talented artists at Square that could take the reins. Let Nomura focus on the KH series, and maybe make a few "promo art" for the games(in the style Amano does every now and then).
Probably but the oversexiness ruins it :/
Naora is probably my favourite FF art director but I'm not sure I like his character designs.
Do people like Caius's design?
I wouldn't have a problem if those holes in his back had a purpose. Maybe wings grow from them, or spikes grow form his mid-back. Other than that, his outfit looks like a padded stunt suit. I would've preferred something more traditional armor-inspired, less modern-looking.
I vote Naora for the next FF that goes back to something urban/science fiction(probably XVII).
I don't have a problem with Ignis or Gladio's designs.
I don't exactly hate Noctis' design but I'm certainly not a fan of it. Feels like he could have been structured better.
Fuck Prompto.
I don't have a problem with Ignis or Gladio's designs.
I don't exactly hate Noctis' design but I'm certainly not a fan of it. Feels like he could have been structured better.
Fuck Prompto.
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