YianGaruga
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This is anecdotally, but I heard the exact same comments from IRL friends. Maybe I have shitty firiends, but I doubt this will be an isolated issue. The cast does not have mainstream appeal imo.
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This is anecdotally, but I heard the exact same comments from IRL friends. Maybe I have shitty firiends, but I doubt this will be an isolated issue. The cast does not have mainstream appeal imo.
DiipuSurotu
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Also, one of the most critically acclaimed entries in the series, FFIX, was developed in the United States with tons of American and European artists.
vainglorious
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Lightning is Cloud with boobs. These comments probably have some deep Freudian meaning.
Supermanisdead
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13 had sick character designs. 15's main cast is probably my least favourite yet. Nothing really stands out to me. I love the little bit we saw of the side characters in past trailers though. It's just weird that they wouldn't take that creativity and inject it into the main party.
More acclaimed in retrospect. There were a decent amount of haters for IX's style at the time of release. Again, we come back to the old adage that every Final Fantasy is divisive.
None of them nearly as hot as Gladio tho. Good lord Nomura, you were on point when you redesigned him!
theofficefan99
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The way Tabata put it, there were a lot of loose threads left with the end of the first part of the story.
vainglorious
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Same. I like the toned down look of the characters. That being said they still look like they spend an hour in their tent every morning spraying and mousing each other's hair till the desired amount of fabulousness is achieved.
Any chat or comment section, really, I know, but it's a very common sentiment across all gaming sites and communities in regards to FFXV and I also heard it a lot from my non-FF-fan gaming buddies. They were crazy about the summon and liked the unique mix of realism and fantasy, but the first thing they all said when they saw the cast was "lol, they look like a boyband". I tried to explain that it's deliberate as they actually are supposed to look out of place outside of their modern home city.
It's unfortunate and a bit frustrating as a passionate fan to see so many write off a whole game based on something so superficial, which could have easily been avoided by doing a more sensitive redesign for the FFXV reboot.
The franchise's mainline future is dependant on its success in western markets, even with FFVIIR on the horizon (what if those who come back for FFVIIR won't stay for FFXVI after their nostalgia scratch was itched?). 3-4 millions for FFXV is not enough (not even sure if it will be able to do that to be honest).
ArkhamFantasy
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Thats most japanese characters. Its not a big deal.
Dark_castle
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It's actually not just the Twitch chat that's being turned off by the design of the main party. In fact, I think some people who were interested in Versus to begin with is because of Stella (and her rivalry with Noctis), not any of the 4 dudes, but that is a different story.
Anyhow I doubt Tabata has the ability to change the main party now. At least there will likely be female guest members.
Anyhow I doubt Tabata has the ability to change the main party now. At least there will likely be female guest members.
theofficefan99
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Twitch chat's job is to hate on whatever it is. Don't get me wrong, I love it, I find it hilarious, but if there was a female party member, they would just spam "GRILL" every single time she showed up.
It's their thing, you can't really base anything off of it.
And what's up with the direction the Regis design conversation went? The way you guys are talking, someone might think they made Regis look like a bald marine or something. He still fits the game very well, imo.
The parhaps "manlier" take on the character isn't as much of a departure from a game that had Cor.
The impression I got from the new Regis was that their intention was to make him more "fatherly"? I'm not sure if that makes any sense whatsoever.
Oh ffs, Cor is still in the game. Where are people getting that Cor was removed?
Can people stop spreading misinformation?
Maybe your friends are shallow and dumb.
If they aren't into FF at this point then odds are it just isn't their type of game. You shouldn't be trying to convince them to buy an RPG based on the odd one-off awesome summon animation.
vainglorious
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I completely accept that nor do I actually have a problem with it. But there's an inherent silliness to characters camping out while road tripping and waking up with impeccable hair every morning. No harm in laughing about that.
Then maybe the game is not for them.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
He is, but he's not one of the main party member.
Zoe
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He never was.
vainglorious
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That aspect actually cracks me up and makes me like it more.
Oh god. I can totally imagine a gasoline fight happening and Cidney staring at them in disbelief.
That aspect actually cracks me up and makes me like it more.
I know lol.
Where that gif of Prompto poking Glado in the butt like he was Sakuragi in Slam Dunk.
AgentLampshade
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Can we get the guy who voiced Yangus to voice Cor?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
His friends aren't dumb. FFXV's main party IS pretty much a boyband from design perspective. FF series always has a nice diversified cast of characters. XV is an anomaly.
Kenzodielocke
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So are we expecting the dog to just be a dog or a person and eventually a party member ?
Why not? It's definitively the perception people have about the game (and it's not a bad thing in my opinion)
Look, as I said, there is a middle-ground to be found if they'd want to. And you don't have to look far to find it:
These are perfect. Not too much Anime, not too much Bald Space Marine. The red-haired man and the black-haired woman are some of the best designs I've seen in a FF.
Relaxed Muscle
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I expect the dog just to be the common element that will appear on the flashbacks, like some element that will chain all those scenes in some way.
Megidolaon
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I think it the characters had a more simple look back when it was Versus. They didn't look as gaudy, I guess. I don't have a huge issue though with their overall look, though. I don't care if they look macho or whatever.
DiipuSurotu
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I hope he is Regis's dog, named Noctis.
I don't know, I feel like most people's concerns about the male camaraderie element of the game not being actually well written and developed, and for this reason not a valid excuse for the homogenized party should be somewhat lessened after Duscae. I really enjoyed their relationship. I also know a lot of people who react with LOL GAY/EMO, but in my eyes that only further proves how successful they were in conveying what they wanted. Of course I can't speak for every culture out there, but in my experience growing up, any sign of male affection was completely demonized (for being "gay", or whatever), so it's only natural that the same people who refused to show affection for their closest friends would feel that way when seeing those close buddies who really love each other deeply.
I'm not sure if it was Nomura or Tabata who said that, probably Nomura, but I'm also looking forward to see how the way they behave changes when there's someone less close to them as a guest member, will probably make for some pretty funny (and yet natural) moments.
The party banter was my favorite part of Episode Duscae.
Of course, I'm not saying people who wanted a diverse party have to shut up now just because they're good friends, but that specific point about "it'll probably suck anyway, so might as well make it diverse" is no longer relevant, in my opinion.
I mean it as in had Cor before this design change. A character looking "manlier" is nothing new to this game is all I meant.
Sorry if I couldn't comunicate that very clearly.
I'm not sure if it was Nomura or Tabata who said that, probably Nomura, but I'm also looking forward to see how the way they behave changes when there's someone less close to them as a guest member, will probably make for some pretty funny (and yet natural) moments.
The party banter was my favorite part of Episode Duscae.
Of course, I'm not saying people who wanted a diverse party have to shut up now just because they're good friends, but that specific point about "it'll probably suck anyway, so might as well make it diverse" is no longer relevant, in my opinion.
I mean it as in had Cor before this design change. A character looking "manlier" is nothing new to this game is all I meant.
Sorry if I couldn't comunicate that very clearly.
The dog will likely be a recurring thing.
I think we might have a time-skip in this game. Like, 22-year old Noctis and then 32-year old Noctis.
"That dog actually plays a really big part in the events that take place a little later in their lives - after the young-man phase," Tabata says.
I think we might have a time-skip in this game. Like, 22-year old Noctis and then 32-year old Noctis.
"That dog actually plays a really big part in the events that take place a little later in their lives - after the young-man phase," Tabata says.
YianGaruga
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The "boy band" is coming from the fact that they all wear the same style of clothing. It looks very strange and I don't really get the reason behind it. That's not what a group of guy friends does.
vainglorious
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Look, as I said, there is a middle-ground to be found if they'd want to. And you don't have to look far to find it:
These are perfect. Not too much Anime, not too much Bald Space Marine. The red-haired man and the black-haired woman are some of the best designs I've seen in a FF.
I just realized that I know what the mask white hood dude was redesigned with reminds me of.
Zechs from Gundam Wing.
Oh no.
Icyflamez96
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That aspect actually cracks me up and makes me like it more.
I've never seen the original version of this gif before
Ganondorfo
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Instead of the black haired girl, the question during the Active Time Report should have been about Cor, and what kind of role he will play in the game.
mickagau33
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I forgot Noctis used to look like that...I like his old costume way more; too bad.
unity of the void
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Dark_castle
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Look, as I said, there is a middle-ground to be found if they'd want to. And you don't have to look far to find it:
These are perfect. Not too much Anime, not too much Bald Space Marine. The red-haired man and the black-haired woman are some of the best designs I've seen in a FF.
Also there're age differences in these side characters. Main party, everybody is between around 18 to 20 something. Gladio has beard and bigger build, but he still looks fairly young. Literally nobody stands out from one another.
Yeah, but those outfits changed during the Versus era. See the 2011 trailer.
These are so much better, except for Noctis. I think the reception would have been way less negative.I think it the characters had a more simple look back when it was Versus. They didn't look as gaudy, I guess. I don't have a huge issue though with their overall look, though. I don't care if they look macho or whatever.
Best of both worlds would be (IMHO)
Versus designs = Prompto, Gladio
XV designs = Noctis, Ignis (without the gloves tho)
Look, as I said, there is a middle-ground to be found if they'd want to. And you don't have to look far to find it:
These are perfect. Not too much Anime, not too much Bald Space Marine. The red-haired man and the black-haired woman are some of the best designs I've seen in a FF.
God i hope they don't change them too much.
Imagine a post credit scene where Old Noctis goes through the first CG trailer of 2006.
MAN OH MAN.
They are good designs I agree but I still hold to my original point. There's nothing wrong with games looking wildly different. People are too used to everything being same samey and the moment something different shows up, people are immedietaly agitated. Learn to appreciate what is different. I think it's a bold move of SE and Nomura to design something vastly different for the main party. Hell, Sakaguchi always pushed "change" as the heart of FF. This is a part of that change that occurs within the series.Look, as I said, there is a middle-ground to be found if they'd want to. And you don't have to look far to find it:
These are perfect. Not too much Anime, not too much Bald Space Marine. The red-haired man and the black-haired woman are some of the best designs I've seen in a FF.
I also believe there is a certain insecurity present with game communities. I guess it shows in so many AAA games being carbon copies of each other. Extremes within a medium are neccessary to diversify the medium as whole.
Yeah, that's more than fair. The previous designs also followed some kind of pattern, but it was easily justifiable by the fact that they're just neutral colors, but matching red soles would only make sense if everyone in the kingdom has red soles, which would be completely ridiculous.
But the FF audience isn't the same as the Halo audience. There's nothing wrong if your friends don't like the character designs, but you're assuming your friends are the mass market just because they play COD, which is false. COD may sell 5 million copies on the PS4, but then what about the other 20 millions PS4 owners who don't buy COD?
There's a mass market for FF and there's a mass market for shooters.
Look, as I said, there is a middle-ground to be found if they'd want to. And you don't have to look far to find it:
These are perfect. Not too much Anime, not too much Bald Space Marine. The red-haired man and the black-haired woman are some of the best designs I've seen in a FF.
How long until all those are changed, I wonder.
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