Final Fantasy XV SPOILER THREAD

rhandino said:
I am sure the current XIII vs XV started because someone blamed XIII of somehow being the start of S-E failing at creating compelling and coherent narratives that don't rely on other media to get the full picture.
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I think the FF vs FF arguments are weird in general. I think we can agree all the games have merits. But sweeping declarations that none of XV's characters have arcs is...stupid (couldn't think of a better word) to me. I think it's fine to like one group of characters more than others and discussing why you like said group. However, ignoring the character building in one game to bolster an argument against that game is dishonest.

And people comparing games from the same series is inevitable and not something that only happen to insecure fans since there are 15 games and each of them has their high and low points and some of them will resonate more with some people.
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Fair point. I'd just like for us to sway away from declaring certain opinions as "irrefutable" as that sets a dangerous tone for the thread and may push some people away from posting an opinion that may differ.
 
You guys should really play OG XIV or II if you think XIII/XV is crap or whatever.
 
XV >> XIII

Jeffrey said:
Personally I feel like SE really fucked up making this a main line FF game. Instead of wasting time and money on these lackluster separate story missions, they really should have put that effort on polishing up the 'open world' part in terms of systems, UI, heck even tell a compelling story about 'rust belt life' in a jrpg.

open world ff15 was like a 7.5 for me, while the story missions were like a 4
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They didn't "fuck up", this game must have been amazingly expensive and it's the first single-player mainline entry since 2009 (going by Japanese release) as it is. It is a self-contained story and wouldn't have sold as well if it weren't a mainline title so they did what they had to do.

It's not like it doesn't have the production values (and reception) of a mainline title.
 
PshycoNinja said:
That's cool. Wasn't pointing you out specifically. Although, it would be cool to not have to go through these motions every time XIII is brought up. The "XIII is better than XV" or "XIII is crap" or "play XIV instead of XV" comments brought into every XV thread is exhausting and outplayed at this point.

I can do with an intelligible discussion on the games. Not these sweeping declarations that everything is bad.
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But it's okay to bring XIII when it comes to Metacritic or sales?

No one here was specifically saying that XIII was better than XV. That is such a simple sweeping statement. All that was discussed is how characters and their place in the game was handled compared to XIII.

And you have alot of nerve calling XIII fans insecure when you would to be in every XIII thread criticizing the series and it's fanboys with personal attacks like that "insecure" comment.

The same person that was so tried of XIII threads that it was his duty to stop Yoshi's XIII PC thread from happening because you thought it was against the gaf rules or something.

hahahaha gtfo
 
I've said it to a few folks but this game structure should have been used for a final fantasy 1 remake. A lack of story would be fine as the undefined party from the original would spend most of the time having their adventure trying to save the princess and collect crystals while garland basically plays ardyns role pursuing the party. Of course additional details should be used to make the story more cohesive.
 
DrunkShogun said:
I've said it to a few folks but this game structure should have been used for a final fantasy 1 remake. A lack of story would be fine as the undefined party from the original would spend most of the time having their adventure trying to save the princess and collect crystals while garland basically plays ardyns role pursuing the party. Of course additional details should be used to make the story more cohesive.
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Is there an appetite now for another remake of a pre-FFV game? I doubt it. Any flavour added to I in particular would practically turn it into a brand new game anyways. Any effort to make the story more cohesive sounds wasteful.

FFV and FFVI haven't been remade (aside from the mobile versions), but those games actually have a story to begin with so I think they are much better candidates. But it's not like we're starved for FF remakes, given we're getting multiple games or episodes of Final Fantasy VII.
 
Ganon Dragmire said:
But it's okay to bring XIII when it comes to Metacritic or sales?
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I don't recall doing that, and I think I said when that thread was happening that I didn't think it was productive to the discussion to bring out metacritic discussions from other games. Then again, I think discussing MC scores is a fruitless discussion to have.

If anything I don't see how bringing in XIII's MC and sales would help a XV argument. As a matter of fact I don't know why you're bring it up now?

And you have alot of nerve calling XIII fans insecure when you would to be in every XIII thread criticizing the series and it's fanboys with personal attacks like that "insecure" comment.

The same person that was so tried of XIII threads that it was his duty to stop Yoshi's XIII PC thread from happening because you thought it was against the gaf rules or something.

hahahaha gtfo
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I don't expect you to follow everything I have ever said so I will apologize once more for being like that years ago. (I've apologized for this one multiple occasions to many posters here including Toth, HeelPower, and Yoshi)

I was personally angry how the XIII series of games were turning out and made sure everyone knew about it. I should not have done that and in my amends did not re-enter a XIII thread for about two years now. And I promised to tone down my language whenever I did talk about XIII. "Insecure" may have been a poor choice of word and is an unfortunate slip-up on my end if that offended you.

However, if you really want to tell me to leave discussion because you are upset at a slip-up then you are doing nothing more than trying to silence me for having a different opinion.
 
Mailbox said:
Okay literally every character arc can sound fucking stupid when you write it that way.
I really feel like you shitpost just to shitpost sometimes.
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What he wrote is a perfectly valid synopsis of the Arenea's entire character design. The only thing he left out would be "Oh, hey guys, I was in the neighborhood and decided to drop in and help. Ok, fight's done, bye!"

Her entire character development is better described as right angles, not an arc. An arc has a beginning, middle, climax, and ending. Arenea has a beginning, a rapid switch, another rapid switch, then she's gone.

It's only a "shitpost" (Neogaf's most overused dismissive ad hominem) to you because you disagree with it. It's not even reductionist. That is LITERALLY Arenea's entire story as presented to the player through the game. She could have been a truly bad ass enemy who Noctis and the Bros "redeem" through constant encounters but, instead, just becomes a way to spout contrived exposition to the player at the expense of any real character development. The fact that she has one of the strongest characters speaks volumes about how poorly designed the rest of the characters outside of Noctis and Co. are.

If I presented a character design like Arenea in a 100-level literature course, I'd get a C- and a pat on the head telling me better luck next time.
 
Captiosus said:
If I presented a character design like Arenea in a 100-level literature course, I'd get a C- and a pat on the head telling me better luck next time.
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Yes, that is correct, but I don't see how that's relevant here since you can present ANY Final Fantasy character (That's right, ANY of them) in a 100-level literature course and not only you would get a C- if the teacher is feeling sorry for you, but you might get expelled for not even trying.
 
Ishida said:
Yes, that is correct, but I don't see how that's relevant here since you can present ANY Final Fantasy character (That's right, ANY of them) in a 100-level literature course and not only you would get a C- if the teacher is feeling sorry for you, but you might get expelled for not even trying.
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Really? What's so bad about Final Fantasy IX?
 
If SE really wanted to nail the "bro" dynamic, they would have ended that emotional final campfire scene with Gladio busting out a fart. Or maybe Ignis. It's funnier when it comes from the person you least expect it to.
 
PshycoNinja said:
I don't recall doing that, and I think I said when that thread was happening that I didn't think it was productive to the discussion to bring out metacritic discussions from other games. Then again, I think discussing MC scores is a fruitless discussion to have.

If anything I don't see how bringing in XIII's MC and sales would help a XV argument. As a matter of fact I don't know why you're bring it up now?
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Of course not, none of that shit matters.

I was specifically referring of when it's alright to bring comparisons or not. Not referring to you. People have objected to compare the two games when it comes to something that might be worth discussing like story content compared to crap like sales and review scores. but whatever

PshycoNinja said:
However, if you really want to tell me to leave discussion because you are upset at a slip-up then you are doing nothing more than trying to silence me for having a different opinion.
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No one is silencing anyone here. Least of all me.

And to the rest, Fang x Vanille is the best FF couple
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At its most simple core, FFXV is a story with a clear beginning, middling middle, and a strong resolution. There is a clear villain whose motives are explored. There is a clear protoganist who goes through a long, life changing arc that also has a resolution. Immediate supporting characters are strong and central to the journey. The world is also well presented.

Honestly, despite presentation issues, FFXV's story is just fine and certainly acceptable for ma inline FF.

As much as I like 13, it is missing some of the above, allowing a legit comparison to XV's story.
 
Hellfire makes great background music for reading this thread.

Ishida said:
Yes, that is correct, but I don't see how that's relevant here since you can present ANY Final Fantasy character (That's right, ANY of them) in a 100-level literature course and not only you would get a C- if the teacher is feeling sorry for you, but you might get expelled for not even trying.
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If you cut out most of the timetravel plot, Noel could probably get you a B.
 
royox said:
Well...at least XIII has the whole main plot and explanations ingame and not in the Guide book or future DLC's :)
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XIII is complete and polished in everything but the end product is barring mediocre.
XV on the other hand is unpolished and obviously incomplete but the end product was great.

Those are my subjective POV but hey, that's how I see it.
 
Ganon Dragmire said:
Bwahaha

What the flying fuck is this crap?
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I dunno...i've been seeing alot more XIII in these XV threads than i ever saw before the game actually released.

Why it's actually being brought up, nobody knows, but it always seems to come down to "b-but xiii/xv was actually worsely designed because..."
 
BriGuy said:
If SE really wanted to nail the "bro" dynamic, they would have ended that emotional final campfire scene with Gladio busting out a fart. Or maybe Ignis. It's funnier when it comes from the person you least expect it to.
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Actually, I think I witnessed a scene how someone farted in the regalia :D. During the drive they talked and did some strange movements, and then I saw how at least Gladio and Prompto reacted disgusted, holded their noses with a hand and wipped the air with the other hand. Was quite funny :). But I don't know who farted ;P
 
Munti said:
Actually, I think I witnessed a scene how someone farted in the regalia :D. During the drive they talked and did some strange movements, and then I saw how at least Gladio and Prompto reacted disgusted, holded their noses with a hand and wipped the air with the other hand. Was quite funny :). But I don't who farted ;P
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Yep, I also saw that. Someone definitely passed wind inside the Regalia.
 
DrunkShogun said:
I've said it to a few folks but this game structure should have been used for a final fantasy 1 remake. A lack of story would be fine as the undefined party from the original would spend most of the time having their adventure trying to save the princess and collect crystals while garland basically plays ardyns role pursuing the party. Of course additional details should be used to make the story more cohesive.
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Simply think of it like that then. Crystals = weapons/titans. Ha.
 
Ganon Dragmire said:
Of course not, none of that shit matters.

I was specifically referring of when it's alright to bring comparisons or not. Not referring to you. People have objected to compare the two games when it comes to something that might be worth discussing like story content compared to crap like sales and review scores. but whatever
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Sorry. It just seemed directed at me because everything else in the response was. :P

No one is silencing anyone here. Least of all me.
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I hope not. I like to think I've been better these last few months about how I respond to people.

(Though some of my sarcastic jokes seem to still go over people's heads. My dry humor doesn't translate very will in text alone. Thank goodness most stuff I work on is given voice. Or at the very least I need a wonky character trait and several text boxes to set up my jokes.)

Toth said:
At its most simple core, FFXV is a story with a clear beginning, middling middle, and a strong resolution. There is a clear villain whose motives are explored. There is a clear protoganist who goes through a long, life changing arc that also has a resolution. Immediate supporting characters are strong and central to the journey. The world is also well presented.

Honestly, despite presentation issues, FFXV's story is just fine and certainly acceptable for ma inline FF.

As much as I like 13, it is missing some of the above, allowing a legit comparison to XV's story.
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Hmmmm... I really want to write a long retrospective talking about the stories and characters in X, XII, XIII, XIV, and XV. Maybe I will do it one day when I get into work early and can actually sit down and type it out. (As it stands i don't have a computer at home and only write responses on my tablet which can be hugely annoying when it sometimes refreshes my webpage on GAF when I am trying to get images and whatnot.

Basically, I agree with your thought process... I just want to give that thought more gestation and write up a proper response/essay on it.

Adaren said:
Hellfire makes great background music for reading this thread.

If you cut out most of the timetravel plot, Noel could probably get you a B.
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Heh.

I honestly liked XIII-2 more than XIII (even if I am a little upset at taking away the one thing I did like about XIII: the ending). So, I really liked Noel. Honestly think he is the best character in the XIII lore. I would've been okay if they dumped the entire cast of XIII and went with Noel the whole time, but whatevs...
 
JayWood2010 said:
I beat the game. Now how do I go back into the past so i can do side quests?
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If you're in the Insomnia area, there are places where you can rest (like in a hotel). When the game asks if you want to sleep, you can choose the option to call Umbra and Umbra can bring you back in the past
 
royox said:
Well...at least XIII has the whole main plot and explanations ingame and not in the Guide book or future DLC's :)
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I mean... There are some things in XIII that don't make sense unless you read the novellas...

ULTROS! said:
XIII is complete and polished in everything but the end product is barring mediocre.
XV on the other hand is unpolished and obviously incomplete but the end product was great.

Those are my subjective POV but hey, that's how I see it.
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That's fair.
 
Munti said:
If you're in the Insomnia area, there are places where you can rest (like in a hotel). When the game asks if you want to sleep, you can choose the option to call Umbra and Umbra can bring you back in the past
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Thank you

As for the game, I loved it. Ive never cared for Final Fantasy games and this one I simply loved. The story was fantastic, though Im not really sure what happened with Luna and Noctis at the end. Different realm, or did Noctis somehow change his fate?

Arydyn was an interesting character. From what I gathered he is actually in the same bloodline as Noctis and was the original King of Light, or whatever they called it, but instead he consumed the darkness?
 
So what is the consensus on Noctis being an Izunia? If he isn't a Lucis Caelum, how comes both him and Ardyn have the same abilities? If they run in Noctis' bloodline then surely both him and Ardyn share the same blood? Would make more sense for Ardyn to have been betrayed by a family member who Noctis is a descendant of.
 
hohoXD123 said:
So what is the consensus on Noctis being an Izunia? If he isn't a Lucis Caelum, how comes both him and Ardyn have the same abilities? If they run in Noctis' bloodline then surely both him and Ardyn share the same blood? Would make more sense for Ardyn to have been betrayed by a family member.
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The abilities come from their bloodlines being chosen by the Crystal. Both the original Lucis Caelum and the Izunias were chosen by the Crystal.

That is of course assuming both families are not one and the same. I prefer to think they are two separate families.
 
hohoXD123 said:
So what is the consensus on Noctis being an Izunia? If he isn't a Lucis Caelum, how comes both him and Ardyn have the same abilities? If they run in Noctis' bloodline then surely both him and Ardyn share the same blood? Would make more sense for Ardyn to have been betrayed by a family member.
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It's not transferred through blood
But given by deities
 
hohoXD123 said:
So what is the consensus on Noctis being an Izunia? If he isn't a Lucis Caelum, how comes both him and Ardyn have the same abilities? If they run in Noctis' bloodline then surely both him and Ardyn share the same blood? Would make more sense for Ardyn to have been betrayed by a family member who Noctis is a descendant of.
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The way i interpreted it was either:

a) Noctis' ancestors usurped Ardyn's and the Crystal caused them to change their names

b) Noctis' ancestors were already Lucis Caelum, Ardyn was just a relative
 
Ishida said:
The abilities come from their bloodlines being chosen by the Crystal. Both the original Lucis Caelum and the Izunias were chosen by the Crystal.

That is of course assuming both families are not one and the same. I prefer to think they are two separate families.
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But if Ardyn was later abandoned by the crystal, shouldn't his line have lost their abilities? Unless if the crystal granted it to the entirety of the Lucis Caelum line.

jiggle said:
It's not transferred through blood
But given by deities
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Again though, why would Ardyn still have those abilities if the deities abandoned him and they are the ones responsible for those abilities?
 
hohoXD123 said:
But if Ardyn was later abandoned by the crystal, shouldn't his line have lost their abilities? Unless if the crystal granted it to the entirety of the Lucis Caelum line.
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What are are told is that the Crystal and the Astrals denied him his ascension to the throne, but he seemingly retained his abilities or perhaps he later unlocked them through the use of the Daemon power he absorbed.
 
Ishida said:
What are are told is that the Crystal and the Astrals denied him his ascension to the throne, but he seemingly retained his abilities or perhaps he later unlocked them through the use of the Daemon power he absorbed.
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Possibly, have there been any other hints in the guidebooks/elsewhere to suggest who Izunia is?
 
hohoXD123 said:
But if Ardyn was later abandoned by the crystal, shouldn't his line have lost their abilities? Unless if the crystal granted it to the entirety of the Lucis Caelum line.



Again though, why would Ardyn still have those abilities if the deities abandoned him and they are the ones responsible for those abilities?
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Cuz no backsies?

He probably doesn't get anything new, that came afterward, like regis' sword
 
Ishida said:
Nope, we can only assume. I may be crazy, but I like some things like these to be left to the imagination. :p
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Heh, Ardyn telling Noctis that he'll never guess who Izunia is could be hinting at it being revealed in the future....or it could be so fans tear their hairs out over theories for eternity :p
 
I like to think Ardyn is Noctis' ancestor and Ardyn's brother was izunia. Having it be that another family came and took the Royal family name seems lame to me.
 
hohoXD123 said:
Heh, Ardyn telling Noctis that he'll never guess who Izunia is could be hinting at it being revealed in the future....or it could be so fans tear their hairs out over theories for eternity :p
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I firmly believe that the "you'll never guess" it's because Izunia is Noctis' real family name.

But yep, we can only speculate at this point. :)
 
I think it's almost 100% certain that Izunia was Noct's ancestor. What's up in the air is whether they were related to Ardyn or not.

I like the "not related" interpretation better, it justifies Ardyn's vendetta even more.
 
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