Sony provided marketing and development help and it should be more than just a few millionsI could see 300k on pc giving them a decent money shot but is it more than few mill sony would pay them? Also, I think that on ps5, more gamers might butt full priced games on release because there are simply less options to do otherwise there
No turn-based games sell enough to justify proper AAA graphicsbased on FFXVI, they could remake FF1 - 5 with AAA graphic, make it turn based, it will sell a lot. don't need to remake much if they reusing assets from FFXVI.
If they want money of course...
Do they think Switch 2 will be their savior? Yeah good luck with that. Those dudes aren't interested in much else besides Mario.
Well if you look at games that actually released on both platforms at the same time:So after the next game underperforms despite being "multiplatform", what will SE's excuse be then? I thought they already learned this lesson with FFXIII and FFXV, neither of which set new sales records despite "look ma, more platforms!". But I guess not.
PC users don't really care about this franchise. And by the time FFXVII comes out there won't even be a Xbox to release on. Do they think Switch 2 will be their savior? Yeah good luck with that. Those dudes aren't interested in much else besides Mario.
Yep. Clair obscur sold well but not square enix wellSony provided marketing and development help and it should be more than just a few millions
Personally I think it would be a loss for SE and they are just clueless and bounce to "let's just try something else" instead of doing a proper analysis what wrong happened.
No turn-based games sell enough to justify proper AAA graphics
depend, if using same assets, it will not need much sells like AAA. because return of investment in graphic and research is already done in what i said earlier. it won't take much dev cycle as well. appx 20% of the cost will needed. only the characters need to be worked for some time. based on FFXVI it won't take much longer. the dev only need to think to make new gameplay, and as far as I remember, it won't take long to make FF2 for now. the cutscenes, however will need more time.Sony provided marketing and development help and it should be more than just a few millions
Personally I think it would be a loss for SE and they are just clueless and bounce to "let's just try something else" instead of doing a proper analysis what wrong happened.
No turn-based games sell enough to justify proper AAA graphics
Very optimisticappx 20% of the cost will needed
Characters, animations, world building, bringing it all together, testing etc. Even if some assets are reused still a lot of work.only the characters need to be worked for some time. based on FFXVI it won't take much longer. the dev only need to think to make new gameplay, and as far as I remember, it won't take long to make FF2 for now.
And they are expensivethe cutscenes, however will need more time.
It's souls-like shit and not a proper combat, be it turn-based or action.Ironic because I would call Ex33's turn based combat suited for people who hate turn based.
FF XV sold 10 or maybe 11 millions.FFXIII and FFXV, neither of which set new sales records despite "look ma, more platforms!". But I guess not.
Its a great game and great reviews.Why are people blowing E33's success so massively out of proportion?
You could make the argument that it sold well because it was sold at mid-level price point with discounting from day #1 and got a solid uptick from great word of mouth.
Its not even in the same ballpark performance-wise as BG3.
If Matsuno doesn't want to make a new mainline FF, Yoko Taro would be my choice as well.Give Final Fantasy XVII and a decent budget to Yoko Taro and let's see what he comes up with.
Or Metaphor or Baldur's Gate 3.I guess I find it funny that it's taking E33 for people to realize they could consider going to turn based. I mean what about something like Persona 5?
And baldurs gate 3 ? That game sold 15 mil ... I gues because its not jrpg it dosent count lolI guess I find it funny that it's taking E33 for people to realize they could consider going to turn based. I mean what about something like Persona 5?
Octopath Traveler is very good and it is from SE.... its just the FF team that is completely lost.Or Metaphor or Baldur's Gate 3.
Square Enix having lost much of it's old talent is too busy chasing trends 5 years too late and burying many of their franchises like Valkyrie Profile, Parasite Eve, Chrono Series, Lufia as well as subsidiary devs that gave us Deus Ex, Legacy of Kain, Tomb Raider.
nah. Turn based can go suck a dick.
It only existed because real time combat was difficult to do back in the day.
remake/rebirth got great combat.
ff16 got fantastic combat.
Clair obscur? I love that game DESPITE it's combat. Way too over menued and turn based is just dumb to stand there.
Yeah i GOT IT and was doing 300k attacks. sure, no problem. I don't see whats so rewarding or challenging in pressing a button to kill an enemy once.
edit: so no. I hope it's action or a hybrid. ff16 was so fun
Only games that have been decent are Octopath, Bravely and while I don't care for it Triangle Strategy. For Action it's just FF7R Trilogy, SO: Divine Force was ok and I think Visions of Mana is also good. Of course they give Tri-Ace low budget and they axed the Visions studio so...Octopath Traveler is very good and it is from SE.... its just the FF team that is completely lost.
Oh for sure action rpg can work... I just will never see FF as an action series.. I noped out after dogshit XV.. Im doneOnly games that have been decent are Octopath, Bravely and while I don't care for it Triangle Strategy. For Action it's just FF7R Trilogy, SO: Divine Force was ok and I think Visions of Mana is also good. Of course they give Tri-Ace low budget and they axed the Visions studio so...
A lot of their output right now is Remasters and Remakes usually accompanied with a nice dose of censorship.
Though I think with XVI being the latest "mainline" title it tends to represent the kind of games SE makes now.
Action RPGs can work. They could make their own spin on a Zelda or Dragon's Dogma kind of semi linear game with a world to explore with great combat which I'm baffled as to why it hasn't been done yet.
The issue has always been identity.Oh for sure action rpg can work... I just will never see FF as an action series.. I noped out after dogshit XV.. Im done
Edit.: ow and I played FF7 remake and while better than XV its still not on par with classic FF.
Final Fantasy 7 RemakeRemakeThe issue has always been identity.
XV is just a Kingdom Hearts game and XVI is just a DMC clone with the worst parts of the XIV MMO turned into a game.
The more classical or pure FF kind of games have been Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler.
To a degree that Dragon Quest is more Final Fantasy then Final Fantasy.
And their best action game wasn't even made by them but by Tecmo Koei in Stranger of Paradise.
And personally the best Action game I've played that feels the most Final Fantasy is Granblue Relink.
Not really sure where Enix will go after FF7R Part 3.
Maybe I need to look into Granblue Relink after all...And personally the best Action game I've played that feels the most Final Fantasy is Granblue Relink.
I'd just take Yoshida's advice and take a break and play other games. Maybe permanently. Game so far seems to have died with Endwalker.I love ffXIV (except dawntrail) I loved a large portion of FFXVI.
That being said, no more Yoshida please.
FFXVI overall sucks, and FFXIV is becoming a worse game. So much so I don't think I'll be getting the new expansion unless it's a complete 180 from Dawntrail.
Lord almighty. I've already read what you think about this subgenre a couple of times over prior, moneybags. I'm just thankful you weren't there in the room when the original PS3 Demon's souls pitch happened, nor Expedition 33 for that matter. You probably would've completely eviscerated them both from even going into full production and prevented FromSoft find a wider audience.It's souls-like shit and not a proper combat, be it turn-based or action.
I have no problem other people liking Souls-like games.Lord almighty. I've already read what you think about this subgenre a couple of times over prior, moneybags. I'm just thankful you weren't there in the room when the original PS3 Demon's souls pitch happened, nor Expedition 33 for that matter. You probably would've completely eviscerated them both from even going into full production and prevented FromSoft find a wider audience.