I didn't even start running Arena seriously until I had units that could take down level 40s.
That said, I was able to get Intermediate 7 chains playing casually before. I think I was below the level where the 40 griefers feed.
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I didn't even start running Arena seriously until I had units that could take down level 40s.
That said, I was able to get Intermediate 7 chains playing casually before. I think I was below the level where the 40 griefers feed.
I can do intermediate 7 chains. I just want to get in the top 100k.
Their dancer/healer is a dead unit you can ORKO easily. And so many teams are colorless/red heavy, that you can very definitely build counter squads to crush these types of builds.
One big thing to consider are the three anti-colorless mages: RobinM, Cecilia (she was free), and Henry. RobinM specifically counters both Takumi and red-heavy teams on his own. Also units like Setsuna (archer, gray) counters archers (bowbreaker) and can take down powerful fliers like Camilla and Cordelia.
I made my way through Advanced +7 with a team (linked on the previous page) that was 4* Robin, Anna, and Serra (~30s) and Tiki-loli (40). Reason? My team had answers for everything "meta". I ran into my fair share of 5*/40 x3 with a level 10/20 healer.
Oh man I really want Azura though.
Like I said, that map layout screwed me since Robin was able to take out a unit right away and I couldn't even get to Olivia.
And I'd be rolling with Robin if I had him
I have a 3* Cecilia I could promote to 4*, although does she actually perform with that 7 mt attack?Like I said, that map layout screwed me since Robin was able to take out a unit right away and I couldn't even get to Olivia.
And I'd be rolling with Robin if I had him
Cecilia isn't good in the current meta, everything is Red. She'd be useful if Blue started to dominate meta.
Henry/Robin at least both answer to something specific. Robin kills Red/Takumi/Colorless, and Henry kills Hector/Takumi/Colorless.
I've said it before, but I really think Arena gets much easier once you hit Lv40.
The only problem is getting a full 7-chain lunatic run if you run into a bad matchup.
My team is far from the ideal Arena team and I'm doing pretty well. None of them are merged either.
If you have a nice set of characters, a tank, a hyper offense ranged, a hyper offense melee, and a flier/cavalry high mobility unit bring them to Lv40 and take advantage of the AI.
There are a lot of tactics you can employ. One of the ones that work well for me is a pincer formation tactic.
I let the AI come to me, but I send my blue flier unit to the side and then trap the AI from both sides.
The only problem is getting a full 7-chain lunatic run if you run into a bad matchup.
My team is far from the ideal Arena team and I'm doing pretty well. None of them are merged either.
If you have a nice set of characters, a tank, a hyper offense ranged, a hyper offense melee, and a flier/cavalry high mobility unit bring them to Lv40 and take advantage of the AI.
There are a lot of tactics you can employ. One of the ones that work well for me is a pincer formation tactic.
I let the AI come to me, but I send my blue flier unit to the side and then trap the AI from both sides.
goldenpp72
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Anyone think they will ever let people trade chars in this? I don't play these sorts of games so I dunno if there is a precedence for that, i'll assume not but it would be fun.
My team is Tiki, Takumi, Corrin, and Saizo.
So basically I am hard countered by Robin. I can take him down in intermediate, but I'm pretty screwed in advanced.
Ya your team is too color-centralized. This is my team, and it got me through 7-Advanced (though since I lost units here and there I only barely broke 3800).
100% not happening.
Squarehard
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Whoop!
I has a Lyn!
I has a Lyn!
FE heroes is a gacha game. This will never happen.
I could replace Saizo with Anna, but then I'd be 3 melee/1 ranged, and I worry about that being too cramped.
A group of top ranking Arena players made a PVP guide for high level play and it's pretty damn great
Key points
Key points
- Olivia is stupidly underrated. Ignore the tier lists; She is roughly on par / better than Azura due to her buffs.
- Takumi is overrated. There are better units, though his presence in the metagame ensures a few things.
- Hector is ruthlessly strong, but he's not infallible. +Speed is actually useful on Hector (protip: +Speed is always useful) since he can be taken out of double range via buffs
- Linde is even better than people think she is. 49 attack / 39 Speed is just... completely ridiculous.
- The Tactician Magician, Robin, is a versatile unit. His utility in wrecking Takumi cannot be overstated.
- Abel is the definition of anti-metagame.
- Good news for Nowi fans, bad news for everyone else; she's an amazing, anti-metagame threat.
- Female Corrin is quite useful, but in high levels of play she's a higher risk, higher reward variant of Nowi. She can deliver some devastating one turn clears due to her unique buff/debuffing abilities.
- Catria is your red sword killer.
- Leo sucks. RIP
Why not drop both Corrin and Saizo? Get Anna and Sharena in there if nothing else, spread your colors. Have you gotten not cavalry and/or fliers?
Linde is going to make Anna a top tier character just for the counter game, lol.
RecRoulette
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As amazing as the presentation is when you summon heroes, ranking up a character is very disappointing lol. It's so bland
Corrin is blue.
And my best cavalry unit is probably Sully, and my best flier Florina. I'll try out Anna over Saizo, though. I'm going to miss Harsh Command, poison, and debuffs, though.
Oh its FemCorrin, ya you can keep her on, haha.
My score is higher or comparatively the same as theirs. I agree with some stuff like their stance on counter, disagree with others like how they rank certain characters.
The point is that once you hit Lv40, Arena becomes much more manageable other than facing whales with merged units.
Every single character in the gacha has a flaw and a way to work around them, whether it's a character or through abusing the AI and using your own tactics.
None of the characters are overpowered and most of them are really manageable.
The single hardest team I fought in arena was a Rinda/Aqua/Lucina/Takumi and a Rinda/Aqua/Lucina/Kamui team.
That's mostly because not many people have a team set up like that with how rare they are in gacha, and because they're a direct counter to my current team. I could only beat that team by sacrificing 2 of my members.
You just need to think hard about team building and versatility so you can cover as many options as possible.
ZSaberLink
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Hm yeh I always wondered that with Olivia since she seems fantastic. One of my higher attack units. I guess I should be decently happy having a 4 star Olivia and a 4* Abel along with my 5* Takumi. However my Abel's attack is pretty bad thus far.
Also I've trained up Gunter recently and I finally have a tank of sorts.
goldenpp72
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So does merging characters actually matter? I was under the impression it did not in the end, and was going to throw them out for feathers..
Every character has a cap on stats, but they won't reach that cap. They will max some stats but not others.
Merging characters allows you to exceed that ordinary limit and max out more stats.
So yes it does matter. And you get the teal background and the "+" added to your level.
They matter once you have around 4+ duplicates to merge and a beneficial nature. By then your max stats would be well above others and make a substantial difference in damage and speed tiers.
Just one +1 merge isn't going to light anyone up.
I would keep them in the case you want to run double teams, or if you change your mind in the future.
If you rank at least 10,000 a week and do the free 6,000 feathers quest every month, each month you should get around 20,000 feathers to go 5⭐️ a character.
I don't think feathers are that hard to come by if you have the skill to do it.
goldenpp72
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Does the stat say 'maxed' or anything when it's done being maxed out, or just the plus/background? If you have say, a 5 star, and merge a 3 or 4 star into it, do you get to keep the 5 star while doing this or?
Shun can explain this stuff better than me I'll let him do it.
lastflowers
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Hector, my sweet. Maybe I'll stick with this game x-x
Basically at Lv40, every character has a total base stat total and average stat total for all their stats.
For example a typical Ryoma's average stats is this
HP/AT/SP/DF/RS
41/50/35/27/20
At Lv40 you will always hit a majority of those stats and will always add up to his base stat total of 173.
However, some units have different stat parameters that alter 2 or more stats. But your stat totals will always hit their total.
My Ryoma is a +3 Speed/+1 Res/-4 Def unit.
41/50/38/24/21
His base stat total is still 173, it's just distributed differently. Most characters will have a +3/-3 distribution for two stats, or a neutral nature. In other rare cases, you might have a +4/-4 or have variations in multiple stats like +2/+2/-2/-2 in 4 stats.
You will always hit your base stat total though at Level 40 despite the stat variations.
The great thing about merging is that on top of extra SP, you can boost your maximum base stat total. Every +1 character you merge into another, your character gains +1 to 2 of their stats.
Every merge would bring their total base stat total up by 2. If you merge 10 characters, you get a total base stat increase of 20, and +4 to every single one of your stats including your nature.
So for example, my Ryoma if I merged my spare one into him his stats would be
42/50/39/23/21
He would gain +1 HP and +1 Speed, and his base stat total would be 175 instead of 173. He would also have a Lv40+1 next to his name to show that he was merged.
If her were to get a +10, his stats would total up to 183, and would look like this
45/54/42/27/25
That's a huge increase and devastate any kind of traditional check or counter to him because of the raw increase in stats.
However getting 10 duplicates of a single character is ridiculously hard because of draw rates and only whales do it.
It's really important to merge characters to reach a base stat total increase, but that increase is usually only noticeable after the +4 mark or so. A +1 helps in very close stat situations, but aren't you aren't going to dunk anyone anytime soon.
So merging is useful, at a certain point. Other times it's just as useful to run two duplicate characters on the same team. My double Ryoma team is really good because of that.
So my advice stands, hold onto them instead of reducing right away. Don't merge unless you legitimately have no need for them. Feathers aren't difficult to come by if you can rank every week.
DecoReturns
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You'll get your Blue Hair Sword user and you'll like it.
malikhaing_bayag
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Looks like I'll level them up at the same time. Now I just need a good blue unit. Maybe I'll just go with Nowi.
Oh, I got fooled again by the update waiting time of rankings. I'm actually rank 6000 or so. I think I'm finally safe for top 10000.
So I'll have enough feathers to upgrade to five stars, any advice? I'm mostly interested in arena stuff.
Here are my five stars : Lyn, Ryoma, Camilla, Lucina. I usually use Lyn, Ryoma, Camilla and a four star, but I'll switch in Lucina when I need the power boost instead of the speed.
My options for upgrading to five stars are : Abel, Felicia, both Corrin genders, Tharja, Est, Shanna, Robin, Clarine/Serra, Old Tiki. I think those are the only relevant ones.
What unit would best complete my line up?
So I'll have enough feathers to upgrade to five stars, any advice? I'm mostly interested in arena stuff.
Here are my five stars : Lyn, Ryoma, Camilla, Lucina. I usually use Lyn, Ryoma, Camilla and a four star, but I'll switch in Lucina when I need the power boost instead of the speed.
My options for upgrading to five stars are : Abel, Felicia, both Corrin genders, Tharja, Est, Shanna, Robin, Clarine/Serra, Old Tiki. I think those are the only relevant ones.
What unit would best complete my line up?
We haven't had a blue-haired (by default) avatar for two games and counting now. And if they're any indication, despite having swords as one of their weapon types, they'll have a secondary weapon that can be used to differentiate them in spinoffs and crossovers.
The next game should return to Roy, since he's our boy. But this time give him a shuriken for some reason (which he can't use).
Female Blue Dragon, Abel, Anna would be your best choices to 5 star.
Get rid of Lyn or Camilla for Lucina, preferably I'd get rid of both and replace them with your upgrades. Lyn isn't as good as Ryoma or Lucina offensively, and Camilla is just a liability.
Run Ryoma/Lucina/Abel/Female Blue Dragon
You can choose Anna out of those as well. Anna is a much better green at 5 stars than Camilla. You will want both blues as they will be useful in the current arena meta.
DecoReturns
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More of a joke. That Heroes art on the twitter page had a lot of blue lol
Although I don't think we'll have the Avatar character as the protagonist on the Switch. I think they might push him to the side this time around.
I'll need to see Lyn with a bow before I put my faith in them to properly use the secondary weapons in Heroes.
Please. No more avatar-that-everyone-loves-and-can-do-no-wrong-and-is-a-dragon-god-or-something as the main character. Make the avatar a side character assisting the lord in a more modest way. PLEASE.
That sounds like great advice! Something to work towards, for sure. I think I'll upgrade blue dragon first.
Robin got a tome and Corrin uses a dragonstone, at least. Lyn can't use bows in her base class and is rarely depicted with them in external media, so it's more understandable that they'd choose to omit them here, especially when each character is currently tied to a single weapon.
I'm not sure - I wouldn't be surprised if Echoes goes without an avatar, but as part of the main series it seems too important a part of the series' formula to ignore now. Even if they are de-emphasised compared to Corrin's role in Fates, I wouldn't expect anything less prominent than the role Robin served.
greenleaves
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First post here. Five stars are Azura, Leo, Lyn, Abel, Robin, and Camilla.
I've been wrecking the Arena with an Azura, Abel, Leo, and Robin team, but have been considering switching Robin out for a five star Cecilia for better coverage. Do you guys think I should spend my feathers on upgrading Cecilia to 5 stars or spend them on someone like Corrin (F) or Kagero? My Corrin is -Atk though, and my Cecilias are +Atk and +Spd respectively.
I've been wrecking the Arena with an Azura, Abel, Leo, and Robin team, but have been considering switching Robin out for a five star Cecilia for better coverage. Do you guys think I should spend my feathers on upgrading Cecilia to 5 stars or spend them on someone like Corrin (F) or Kagero? My Corrin is -Atk though, and my Cecilias are +Atk and +Spd respectively.
I'd sooner drop Leo than Robin.
SixMachine
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Man Camilla really falls off at the end of lunatic. Her low attack makes even X4 hits troublesome to kill enemies and armored units, even with a lance can still dominate her. I have to level another green unit or a mage to handle armored enemies. Though having Hinoka buff her is pretty crazy, +6 atk/spd to adjacent fliers is a pretty insane buff, especially with brave weapons.
How could you say this and have an Anna avatar you monster
greenleaves
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Leo has incredible synergy with Azura though, letting me stunt a unit's movement and move out of the way. He's the only unit on my team that can beat strong Greens too.
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