Blackquill
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Same for me, her speed really sucks and her skills are not amazing. Robin is clearly a better choice if you have another green unit
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Same for me, her speed really sucks and her skills are not amazing. Robin is clearly a better choice if you have another green unit
Cecilia is mounted, and she's the Green to Robin's Blue, so her role is different.
Green at current also is just a crappy color because the meta is so red heavy with a few exceptions like massive units such as Hector.
The_White_Rose
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Got a five star Roy in my last pull, feels good man.
Roy's ok but he gets dunked on in Arena. He was in my first pull and loved him until I found out he wasn't as useful as Lucina.
Lyn is my favorite character in the series but for meta purposes, I would replace her with Lucina on my team if I could. Lucina serves a similar role but she would also give me a reliable dragon slayer in case I run into Nowi.
Nowi is right now the toughest character I've had to deal with in Arena. I've got an answer for everything else but not her.
Nowi is right now the toughest character I've had to deal with in Arena. I've got an answer for everything else but not her.
Dunno. Lucina/Lyn looks like:
+6Att/-1Spd delta on offensive parameters, with +6HP/-1Def/-10Res on the defensive side.
With Lyn having Galeforce. I think you can definitely build around both of them but they provide very different options. Lyn feels more like an opener (helped by Sol Katti), Lucina is more a closer due to how frail her Resistance is and her one major threat is the very thing she's supposed to counter (Nowi).
Probably means her data is wrong in the calculator.
theprodigy
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The Japanese calculator says normal attack is 18...
I've ran into Nowi a couple times now in the Arena and Takumi destroyed her both times one shot. Tiki on the other hand destroyed my Takumi so i'm not quite sure whats happening there.
Give me your Roy. Robin is a very good unit, and you have some solid 4*s like Raven, Beruka, Eliwood, and Serra.
Yeah, after looking into it, average attk is 18. I was using this calculator. Thanks for the replies!
I'm staying F2P until I know where this game is exactly heading. I also refuse to drop money until they give up more stamina to work with. It's ridiculous that you can only do a grand total of 2 mission at a time once you start getting to the upper echelon of things.
Seriously, asking us to spend over 20 stamina per mission is completely laughable. I perfectly know you're meant to play this in short burst but that's such bad and stupid game design because they didn't bother to introduced a rank system. Stamina costs are supposed to increase gradually over the course of the game. This means grinding levels and mats takes longer than it should for an RPG like this.
Arena?
I wasnt lucky on my Roy, he has HP 41, ATK 38, DEF 25, SPD 29 and RES 24 at level 34
Every mobage has arena ranks. I meant a general rank system that uses EXP and slowly increases as you complete content throughout the game.
At least I can see her total stat rating. It's not bad, it's just too bad her Def is low for something I would've wanted to use against Takumi with the bonus damage against colourless weapons.
This somewhat helps reducing the number of characters I have to choose from for the next 5* to make from feathers.
Bamboo 竹
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I'm pretty sure we are getting that sometime in the future with the real time PvP which I hope is the "???" section of the Battle Map.
The symbol of Arena is a lone sword and a shield reflecting the "Attack" and "Defense" rankings, but the missing one has two swords maybe meaning a real time PvP.
Lyn's primary advantage over Lucina is Spur Speed (which can potentially be crucial if your units got Speed screwed) not Galeforce (an overrated, piece of shit proc skill). Aside from that, Lucina's Dragon slaying abilities, higher attack, better proc skill make her a far better offensive lord. You talk about how Lucina struggles against the Blue Dragon's she's supposed to counter (she's not), but what about Lyn? She has 0 utility versus them.
It's absolutely not a "either one works" type of situation. Lucina is better, 100%.
Lucina isnt strictly better than Lyn, she is better but not when Lyn is under 50% there she can one shot almost anything and thats pretty neat and also enables easier Galeforce. But I wouldnt go with this unless you have a dancer.
But yeah Lucina is better most of the time. Just wanted to point corner scenarios. You dont apreciate Lyn enough until you go double attack dance double attack galeforce.
Bamboo 竹
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Hmmm... Good point. Maybe they can create a system that can detect the runners and throw a notification telling the runner if he doesn't innitiate an attack in the next turn he'll lose.
Replacing Marth with Hinoka in arena has been a game changer for me.
Congrats, she's great.
Yeah. Nothing against Marth, I just already had two other reds on the squad. Hinoka filled a big whole for me.
Congrats, she's great.
Yeah. Nothing against Marth, I just already had two other reds on the squad. Hinoka filled a big whole for me.
CountAntonius
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For me it was putting Olivia in for hector on defense. I went from one win to about ten now. Any one space at a time hero is death in arena.
You only know when they are lv1 or near max level.
https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/fire-emblem-heroes-iv-calculator
michaelius
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Well I joined the rank of "whales' throwing 4 EURo into the game but seeing all i got was 4* Roy and bunch of crap it cures me permanently from ever doing it again.
For any of the Arena experts out there:
One solid arena setup is Red tank/(Robin/Linde)/Takumi/Dancer, but I don't have any blue mages. I was wondering if subbing in Nino would gimp that setup too much. Nino isn't as good, but at least she'll be anti-meta tech against Robin and Linde. And hopefully I can use Olivia+Takumi to take out any falchion users, since my tank would be Y-Tiki.
Edit: My other current alternative would be F-Corrin.
One solid arena setup is Red tank/(Robin/Linde)/Takumi/Dancer, but I don't have any blue mages. I was wondering if subbing in Nino would gimp that setup too much. Nino isn't as good, but at least she'll be anti-meta tech against Robin and Linde. And hopefully I can use Olivia+Takumi to take out any falchion users, since my tank would be Y-Tiki.
Edit: My other current alternative would be F-Corrin.
Okay, perhaps I went a little too hard on Lyn. She's certainly not a bad character, Defiant Attack / Sol Katti have difficult but pretty great payoffs. It's just... no matter what the game, people love to overrate her. It's giving me FE7 flashbacks.
n_n
Lyn has no redeeming qualities in her own game. Not sure who overrates her.
Tons of people. Especially on GameFaqs.
I didn't say it was an either or situation, read what I actually wrote, I said they have their own roles/provide different options. Nothing about my statement means they are at all interchangeable.
And Nowi was referring to slaying dragonslayer capabilities of the Falchion. Sol Katti has no such lack of options (beyond just the usual triangle) regardless of what is or isn't meta, its just a all around good weapon with no * attached.
Gamefaqs lol.
Lyn's style of play is just not ideal for arena, at least not with the way this game is set up. If the goal of arena was to win at all costs, and all wins are created equal, I think Lyn would be much more useful. But any deaths in arena are just so costly it's hard to use melee glass cannons.
The simple fact that everyone has to include some way to deal with Hector in their PvP team leads me to think he's not really overrated, especially on offense. On defense he sucks because the AI isn't too sharp, provided you have a way to deal with him. I think everyone recognizes those limitations.
In PvE he's amazing, of course.
I mean, very few of the Red lords are actually able to survive getting hit. Lucina's comical Resistance will get her ORKOed by the relevant mages. Chrom and Marth have similar deficiencies. Roy is about the only "tanky" Lord and he has a lack of offensive capability as an offset (though he hard-counters Hector, and has Shove so....).
Yeah Arena is all on stats and bulkyness. Thats why I upgraded Nowi to 5*. She has the most stats among the blue units and she is tanky. If you want to get good points in arena you need to raise your points enough to face teams with hector on them. It gives the most points.
Yeah you have to buy even the 5* weapons. They have the same stuff they had at 4* learned.
Yeah you have to buy even the 5* weapons. They have the same stuff they had at 4* learned.
Actually very true. I don't use any red swords atm in my arena team for that reason.
Only Red sword I want is Roy, because of he hard counters Hector and has access to shove so he can move units like Effie around. Of course, I have to actually pull him at some point.
But I already have Tiki-loli and she also devours Hector and isn't really threatened by much in the cast aside from Linde and Falchions/Marth.
You said this in response to someone claiming that Lucina is a better choice than Lyn.
I'm telling you that they don't have vastly different roles; they're both Red swordswomen. They both have the same job.
1) Act as the offensive frontline, drawing in enemy 1-range infantry and killing them due their superior speed (this is why Chrom and Alfonse aren't great; they cannot do this).
2) KILL Hector and other dangerous Green Units.
3) Kill Dragons*
Lyn is worse at Lucina at literally all 3 of these things. Hence why I Lucina > Lyn.
EDIT: Lucina doesn't get ORKO'd by any mage (including Linde). She's too fast.
theprodigy
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pretty sure he's talking about FE7 there
Got a 4 star Robin. He's probably going to replace Lyn on my "Marth Camilla Lyn Healer/Flex spot" team since I am still getting absolutely bodied by Takumi. I'm considering saving and moving him up to 5* eventually, but I do like the advice of promoting units that you can't actually draw at 5* rarity.
Just need to see what the next banner holds for us. I don't see the Takumi stranglehold going away anytime soon though, and Robin seems to deal with him well enough.
Just need to see what the next banner holds for us. I don't see the Takumi stranglehold going away anytime soon though, and Robin seems to deal with him well enough.
went from not being able to make a dent in intermediate arena to almost getting 7 in a row in advanced with one weird trick, Robin and Olivia. Almost won the last one but it was a weird ass all cavalry team with an Abel that somehow hits twice as hard as the one I use. Still, I know I can do it, so I'll try again (gotta do the quest anyways).
Most of my advanced arena matches started off with Marth or Lucina walking into the Olivia/Robin blender. I was surprised that half the time Robin would lose to Takumi solo without some help, but I guess that's just because of the stat difference as mine is only 4*.
Most of my advanced arena matches started off with Marth or Lucina walking into the Olivia/Robin blender. I was surprised that half the time Robin would lose to Takumi solo without some help, but I guess that's just because of the stat difference as mine is only 4*.
I would say not super important because her primary role is support anyway and there's an overabundance of red right now.
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