Perhaps I didn't explain it properly. Ephraim's role is to be a tank buster so naturally he'll go up against tanks frequently. Tanks will most likely have low speed. As a result, Ephraim's supposed "weakness" is not really a weakness. That being said is his speed lower when compared to many other units? Yes, but he's not necessarily designed to take down those encounters. If he was then he'd be considered OP and really good. I guess this is what you're trying to get at? Weaknesses exist with Ephraim yes but the weakness is irrelevant when considering his role. Weakness and irrelevancy in this situation are mutually exclusive.
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Perhaps I didn't explain it properly. Ephraim's role is to be a tank buster so naturally he'll go up against tanks frequently. Tanks will most likely have low speed. As a result, Ephraim's supposed "weakness" is not really a weakness. That being said is his speed lower when compared to many other units? Yes, but he's not necessarily designed to take down those encounters. If he was then he'd be considered OP and really good. I guess this is what you're trying to get at? Weaknesses exist with Ephraim yes but the weakness is irrelevant when considering his role. Weakness and irrelevancy in this situation are mutually exclusive.
psynergylover
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Having never played a fire emblem game this is pretty fun and addicting!
So as a noob, what characters should I look out for? And other tips &a tricks should be aware of?
So as a noob, what characters should I look out for? And other tips &a tricks should be aware of?
mullet2000
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I've got Julia up to level 30 now and she's really destroying people in the arena. Sure she doesn't have the speed to double hit, but she's doing tons of damage in that single hit.
Hm now that I had gotten Ephraim and Eirika, I put down a second team, which currently is those two along with young Tiki and Camille (who is currently 4*) that I had thoughts of trying to work with.
Depending how I feel with Eirika in particular, I might switch in Takumi or a spellcaster, through think the only notable one I have currently is Lilina.
Depending how I feel with Eirika in particular, I might switch in Takumi or a spellcaster, through think the only notable one I have currently is Lilina.
If you can kill a character in two hits, it's generally better to let them attack you first so you can kill them on your turn before they counterattack.
Oh I see what you mean. Yeah that makes sense.
I agree that we shouldn't get too caught up in dog-piling units, but you're off base in your assessment. Calling Ephraim a very good unit on paper is stretching it. You can't exactly call him a premier tank buster when he struggles to double the best tanks in the format (he's slower than Nowi). His skills aren't particularly impressive either (Threaten defense is nice, but seal Defense is overkill). Even when you compare him to average units, Ephraim struggles to stand out.
I'm all for using units that are unconventional, but Ephraim isn't a particularly well designed character. And no, there's nothing wrong with claiming that Shareena is a better pick than Ephraim when they compete for the exact same team slot and largely fulfill the same niche.
superdeluxe
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Keep going till you get a good 5 star or two.
Why is doubling the only method for dealing with tanks? His kit is designed to beat the shit out of a tank's defense and survive while giving your units the ability to absolutely dismantle them. It's absolutely viable and very good. People have this notion that DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE is the only way of doing shit in this game lmao.
Also, Shareena competes for the Blue type slot but they fulfill different roles. I have no idea why you're comparing when their roles are different even if they both are blue. They do not even compete for the same niche.
Here's a rough tier list; it's not perfect but it gives you a general idea of what's good.
If you have any specific questions this thread is generally quite helpful.
I need some advice, should I stick with my current team for arena or should i change Lucina for Nowi/camilla?
Get rid of Olivie for your dragon.
Don't even think about getting rid of Lucina, she's your best offensive option.
What do you make of the datamined F!Reflet event? When do you think we should expect that to go live?
ZSaberLink
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Oh sorry, I actually already rerolled 2 other accounts saved those off and got 5* Marth (and 5* Lucina) there. I may eventually totally switch to those but that's a separate issue. My main/original account though I got a 4* Marth after recently rolling another 40 orbs and was curious whether he was useful or not to train up. I have a 5* Takumi who's +Atk, -Res, and using a 4* Olivia (+Atk), 4* Abel, & 4* Gunter (with a 4* Anna and 4* Sharena on the sidelines to swap if necessary). I was just curious how useful 4* Marth is in general. He doesn't seem to be -Atk or -Spd, so if promoted I think he'd be decent.
Also, any thoughts on MCorrin? I got a 4* version of him on one of my accounts and was curious how he was. I only hear about FCorrin.
I've started leveling up new characters with Sakura and Olivia babysitting them. It's working out pretty well. Sakura and Olivia give atk/def buffs, heals, and extra turns so it helps that one guy mow through the map and get all the exp. I keep another mid-high level guy in the fourth slot for insurance or to take out characters that are too strong for the new guy, but otherwise I have him sit on the sidelines.
I've found this method way more effective than trying to put the new guy with another full team of similarly leveled people.
I've found this method way more effective than trying to put the new guy with another full team of similarly leveled people.
Thank you =D
I don't know, I would need to know her skills.
Seeing as wind is one of her options, you would think that her weapon grants her to do 50% extra to flying enemies.
Nacien was a free unit and has a base stat total of 170, so being free doesn't necessarily she will be bad. She might end up with better stats than her male counterpart.
But she needs to differentiate herself from her male counterpart, so being relatively fast to prevent doubles would be nice.
When they put it up, they put it up. Maybe next week? I really should be before the end of this week, but knowing IntSys they're going to continue to push this stuff at a modest pace.
Gai Murakumo
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My current team is a 5 star Fae and Male Robin, with a 4 Star Cain and Nowi. I substitute Fae and Nowi for a couple of my back up 4 Stars, which are ranged units, when I am facing a team that has a dragon killer in them. Thus far I have not struggled with this team setup. I would like to get another 5 Star down the road hopefully.
I think it's important to classify the letters because I think people look at it and think some units are seriously not worth.
If a unit is SS it means they are straight up good in any situation and any composition pretty much. These units are pretty much broken and can have an entire comp built around them or fit into any without any issues at all. OP as fuck.
If a unit is S unit it means they excel in what they do and they're borderline broken if not broken. They will fit in nearly every composition without fail.
If a unit is A then it means that they are very good in almost everything or fulfills a certain niche. These units have its uses and will excel in a given situation but not every situation like the previous class of units. They may require a composition built around them and may not fit in all compositions.
If a unit is SS it means they are straight up good in any situation and any composition pretty much. These units are pretty much broken and can have an entire comp built around them or fit into any without any issues at all. OP as fuck.
If a unit is S unit it means they excel in what they do and they're borderline broken if not broken. They will fit in nearly every composition without fail.
If a unit is A then it means that they are very good in almost everything or fulfills a certain niche. These units have its uses and will excel in a given situation but not every situation like the previous class of units. They may require a composition built around them and may not fit in all compositions.
I'm holding off on upgrading Anna because I really want FemRobin to be good.
Hopefully we don't have to wait long.
This is why I think a letter system for ranking is outright stupid because it gives you a skewed idea of how good a character is.
In what world is A considered "bad" in favor of some arbitrary S and SS, the way some people read a ranking list.
It's why I prefer a numerical system because you can total their pros and cons and give them a rating out of 10.
Party composition and synergy is the most important thing anyway, other than raw base stat totals.
Why? Just curious.
The problem is that there's absolutely no diversity in teams whatsoever right now so units with specific roles are seen as pretty bad by most people because they can't fulfill their roles. The only tank people are using right now at high level is Hector, and no one is going to bring out Ephraim against that. Therefore, most people will call him garbage because the meta doesn't work in favor of his specific role.
Units like Ephraim will become more valuable in the future when the same three units aren't the one running the show like they are right now. Units like him are the one that shine the most because they have unique tools that will make them future proof for months to come.
I also agree that people put way too much stock in DAMAGE DAMAGE which is why a lot of units will always be underrated by most. This is even worse in gacha because when people pull, they want something that should theoretically one-hit kill everything on their path.
ZSaberLink
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I've yet to pull another 5* since Takumi, and I've done multiple 20-orb pulls. Got kinda excited for the new set today but didn't get a single new character or anything special, really.
Yeh that's exactly how it's been for me. 4* Marth is my first lord I've gotten since Takumi and I've now finished off normal totally and hard (except 9-5) >_>... but my team still does pretty well in arena thus far (I'm still not at 4 40s, but I've just done 6 Advanced matches pretty easily with mid to low 30s thanks to Takumi + Olivia).
That or a waifu. Thus people don't look at male characters who aren't obviously really good in some way.
ZSaberLink
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Double post, whoops.
This is exactly what I'm looking for in new units - skills that no one else has because, as you say, as the meta shifts different skills become more valuable.
I'm interested to see if something like this happens with Roy.
Because there's no other red I want to supplement them with. That I can start roll at 5*. Throw Roy in there as well.
after my abysmal first pull all I did was save up for ages in order to pull on this banner
dumped 20 crystals first time today and got... like 2 4* lance users and a bunch of dupes
next 20?
time to begin the road to victory, fuck the tiers
ephy is like the ONE person I care about in the current 5* setup, I don't give dick about his skill setup
I'll make him work, just you wait
EDIT: for clarity this is the only 5* I own atm
dumped 20 crystals first time today and got... like 2 4* lance users and a bunch of dupes
next 20?
time to begin the road to victory, fuck the tiers
ephy is like the ONE person I care about in the current 5* setup, I don't give dick about his skill setup
I'll make him work, just you wait
EDIT: for clarity this is the only 5* I own atm
I will hold out hope with you!
OmegaTreeFish
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Oh really? That's not as bad then.
Pejo
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Hit 20 orbs, so I pulled 5 on the new banner. Got a 4* FemCorrin and Marth, as notables.
This also completes my Red Sword users collection almost entirely. Marth, Lucina, Chrom, Roy, Lyn, and Male Corrin. I need another red sword user like I need a kick to the nuts. I guess I still don't have lobster-man, but I'm sure he'll pop up sometime.
I'm so close to 20k feathers. I'm having a really hard time figuring out which unit to upgrade to 5* first. Male Robin probably addresses my biggest weakness, but he just seems....bad at 4*. I sure hope his 5* weapon makes up some difference, because he's losing to same level archers which is what I need him for in the first place.
I could also bring up a healer which seems like a waste, or FemCorrin/Fae/Nino. Blue feels like my biggest weakness right now though by far
This also completes my Red Sword users collection almost entirely. Marth, Lucina, Chrom, Roy, Lyn, and Male Corrin. I need another red sword user like I need a kick to the nuts. I guess I still don't have lobster-man, but I'm sure he'll pop up sometime.
I'm so close to 20k feathers. I'm having a really hard time figuring out which unit to upgrade to 5* first. Male Robin probably addresses my biggest weakness, but he just seems....bad at 4*. I sure hope his 5* weapon makes up some difference, because he's losing to same level archers which is what I need him for in the first place.
I could also bring up a healer which seems like a waste, or FemCorrin/Fae/Nino. Blue feels like my biggest weakness right now though by far
Just tried out one of the simulators for summoning- in ten minutes worth of summoning and spending a theoretical £800+, I didn't get any of the three or four characters I was interested in. These kind of odds make me not even interested in spending the smallest amount of money as it's just incredibly unlikely to get me something of use. I think the way forward with these games (for me) is to just accept that I need to make the best teams I can out of what RNGesus blesses me with, as actively hunting for something seems pointless.
Oh okay. I've just started using Lucina since I just got her and I'm trying to optimize how I use her.
That is the ONLY way to play these games unless you are going to whale out. It's insanity to try for specific units, outside of your initial rolls. The odds just aren't in your favor. Neither is my bank account when it comes to getting my units of choice.
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Blergmeister
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Are buffs stackable? I have a couple characters with Hone Attack that gives +4 attack to adjacent units at the beginning of a round. Can I stack by surrounding an attacker with the Hone Attack units to give them +8 attack?
no
as someone with sharena and cherche on their current team, the "hone" buffs do not stack at all for the same stat
unfortunately
or maybe fortunately?
imagine takumi with all the attack forever
Lol is that Aether?
They don't. Stat buffs like that in general don't stack. If you have one of those +4 DEF to all characters through their next turn when you heal specials, it won't stack with Hone DEF. They do stack with stuff like Spur or Defiant skills though.
Blergmeister
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I was imagining that, for both my Takumis!
Thanks, understandable but disapointing.
Edit:
Thanks!
Squarehard
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^___^
ArcticDonkey
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Add me to the pile needing advice on who to dump 20k feathers on. Any input appreciated.
Can't decide between Camilla and F Corrin. Initially it was a no-brainer as I had no other green units. Pulled Julia this morning though so that gap is filled. I have 2 physical blues but no magic offense, and now 1 green mage. It's tough to choose between the two.
I've been levelling them both as a B team in the tower and they both do serious work. Corrin's buffs are great and Camilla shreds most things that aren't Takumi/Red.
I guess Camilla doesn't need stats as much because her debuffs and buffs are her strenght, but it also seems the worm may have turned on Camilla? I heard she may be too frail? I dunno, someone make up my mind for me.
Choices like this are easy to obsess over when feathers are so damn scarce. Unless there's another 10k coming soon it'll ve a long as time before another promotion.
Can't decide between Camilla and F Corrin. Initially it was a no-brainer as I had no other green units. Pulled Julia this morning though so that gap is filled. I have 2 physical blues but no magic offense, and now 1 green mage. It's tough to choose between the two.
I've been levelling them both as a B team in the tower and they both do serious work. Corrin's buffs are great and Camilla shreds most things that aren't Takumi/Red.
I guess Camilla doesn't need stats as much because her debuffs and buffs are her strenght, but it also seems the worm may have turned on Camilla? I heard she may be too frail? I dunno, someone make up my mind for me.
Choices like this are easy to obsess over when feathers are so damn scarce. Unless there's another 10k coming soon it'll ve a long as time before another promotion.
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