brandonh83
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That's a good idea as they've put out a lot of footage, some of which I would totally go back and avoid if possible.
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That's a good idea as they've put out a lot of footage, some of which I would totally go back and avoid if possible.
Anton Sugar
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Maybe now that "tame raptors" has been disproven (shocker), they're doubling down on "bad CGI".
Same here. I really like JP2 but thought 3 was hot garbage. I only learned 2 was trash once the Internet corrected me. Goldblum is the bomb.
It's skin might be infused with carbon nanotubes
Green Mamba
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Who did the dinosaur designs for Jurassic World? Even putting aside my feelings of accuracy I really don't think they're good from an aesthetic perspective. There's the JP perfect Tryannosaurus which is good but the raptors look off model in basically every shot of them and are by and large just worse overall, the pterosaurs are more accurate than JPIII's but significantly uglier looking, the newly designed herbivores are generic looking, and the mosasaur and fake dinosaur look like video game monsters. Did Crash McCreery work on them? Because they seem like a definite step down from the previous three.
I feel the Jurassic Park video game did a much better job of designing new animals while adhering to Jurassic Park's aesthetics, googly eyed Troodons and everything.
I feel the Jurassic Park video game did a much better job of designing new animals while adhering to Jurassic Park's aesthetics, googly eyed Troodons and everything.
TheGreatDirector
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Oh man, I'm saving these gifs.
Lol
Zantetsuken
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I'm dying LMAO
Rhomega Beta
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I'll wait for an RT score to decide whether or not to see it.
Remapped88
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Definitely gonna watch it, there are far fewer dinosaur movies than most in the action genre so I'm hoping for the best. TLW and JPIII were pretty bad....entertaining but ehhh. I hope Jurassic World can at make me enjoy it as much as the original did and not be as stupid as the gymnastic kick or raptor flute from the sequels.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I enjoyed the previous two sequels. They had dumb moments (gymnastics and raptor dream) but they were fun. Like how Independence Day was fun. If Jurassic World is fun like that at least, then I will have my money's worth. It doesn't need to be Oscar worthy material.
MoonsaultSlayer
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The fuck about the raptors? Go back and watch the original if you want to see "off model in every shot of them".
This is CG not magic. It is some fine work, realistic as it can be given they need to finish it evertually AND they dared showing all of this in daylight. No lighting tricks to mask imperfections.
Never mind.
Green Mamba
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I mean off-model in the sense that they don't look like they belong in Jurassic Park. They're look sort of... bootleg. They're pointlessly redesigned. They're not identical to Jurassic Park's, they're not more accurate to the animal, and they certainly don't look better aesthetically (I'm not making a statement on CG quality). I would say definitely the worst looking raptor design of the four movies.
brandonh83
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It's just the tip of the iceberg in the long sad list of things wrong with that movie.
Now that's how you do a cutThe best.
I don't know man, they look more or less the same to me but with different colors and patterns. A lot more faithful than JPIII did them.
brandonh83
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This is mostly because they do look the same, if not a bit different looking due to some choice angles. But for the most part they look the same to me. I also suppose there's the fact that they're not the same raptors and that the DNA sequencing may have changed somewhat since Park. There's variables, I mean this sort of thing isn't always so clear cut. The dinosaurs in these movies are products.
Green Mamba
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I'm not against redesigns if the new one looks better, so JPIII's didn't bother me. It's the gross pimply texture to their scales that the raptors have in World that bothers me the most, and there's definitely something going on that makes them look fatter in the face when viewed from the front--lighting, angle, something, but it's not flattering. I think reusing JP/TLW or JPIII's designs would have been a better choice.
I avoid early reviews like I avoid judging a game by OT's especially for the first few weeks. If you ever have nothing to do check out the OTs for some highly anticipated games that ended up shitty and take note of the delusion some people had at the time. You feel like you've traveled to a different dimension.
Hoya Destroyer
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Well, that huge aligator thing jumping out of the pool is pretty sweet. Kinda wanna see it just for that. I know those sea-dinos were big!
It's an awful movie and the first real sign that Spielberg was about to go down a bad path with his blockbuster work. It's full of stupid errors, sloppy character work, mindless writing, callous and murderous behavior on the part of its heroes, supposed "experts" being idiots on a regular basis, and inconsistent depictions of dinosaur behavior. It's an utterly empty film that comes off as either cynical or contemptuous of its audience, depending on your point of view. Only the T-Rex rampage in San Diego captures any of the magic of the first film in any way, and even that doesn't make any sense whatsoever in terms of setup or resolution.
Jurassic World being better than The Lost World is about as impressive as being able to outrun a tree.
Anton Sugar
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No one thought this even when it was released. It was regarded as a solid sequel with some fun moments and an awful script.
RatskyWatsky
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It looks fake in the trailers though too.
Hook came out six years earlier.
brandonh83
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This is absolutely true, regardless of how the meaning varies from person to person. I despise it, so for me the chances of Jurassic World being nearly as bad are slim to none, if not just straight up impossible. I mean, I like the fucking TV spots more than The Lost World.
Spielberg doesn't like Hook or The Lost World for very understandable, valid reasons.
Rastafarian42
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Hopefully it turns out good but who cares either way I'm still going to be there first day. The recent CGI looks pretty good this is ILM after all but I wonder how many animatronics they were able to use ?
Junior Asparagus
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I agree with the dino designs in JW looking off, but I can't figure out exactly why. They just look...more CGI/cartoony or something. The mosasaur looks cool, but all of the other new ones look like they're out of a video game or something. It might be something with their movement too.
hellmonkey
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Dammit. I really need to go back and watch all the of the JP movies. I cant for the life of me remember details about 2, 3, or TLW. The only stuff I remember is a Trex running around California for a while, getting back on a ship to save its baby and the ship floats away, or something.
Drilbit777
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The lost world to me was an okay Sequel but there was no way it would have ever lived up to the original. JP3 is just plain bad, really excited to see this movie considering it releases on my birthday : D
brandonh83
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If you ask me? I think it's just the modern look of today's tech, the cameras used, etc. You're comparing this, in your mind, to a movie that came out over 20 years ago where CGI was used sparingly, there was film grain, the creatures were often obscured by low lighting, etc. In Jurassic World the story calls for scenes with dinosaurs front and center in broad daylight in addition to the modern sheen. I think it looks great, but it is different in ways. It's also a lot more ambitious; the effects crew have said as much in recent interviews. There's simply a lot more going on in this, the aesthetic of the new, modern park being the environment also likely contributes to this.
thecouncil
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The OT for this movie will most likely be useless for people who want to know if they should see it. Decisions seem to have been made already.
Melon Husk
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TLW gets too much bad rap. You have Julianne Moore, Pete Postlewaithe and two T-Rexes. Sure it's not as good as the book and the city stuff is cheesy, but people treat it like it's Godzilla.
BTW these "first reactions" come quite late if the premiere is in a mere few weeks' time.
BTW these "first reactions" come quite late if the premiere is in a mere few weeks' time.
bananafactory
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It just had its premiere on the weekend, which is what these reactions are from
Insane Metal
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I'll see it anyway, but I've always thought the trailers looked dumb.
Anton Sugar
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The premiere was last week in Paris. Embargo lifts on the 10th for reviews.
Could be the color grading--something I've been harping on, too. I think CG just looks a lot more believable in more natural color grades. Here's a recolor from reddit--maybe a bit too far in the opposite direction, but:
It's also possible that these are supposed to be juvenile raptors. I mean, Pratt's character's purpose is to attempt to reduce their aggression so they can be in public exhibits--it's likely they're a little younger.
There are a few animatronics, but the movie is mostly CG.
They still try to mix the puppets and CG. Demoncarnotaur noted that the head actually biting the merc here is a puppet:
Vigilant Walrus
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Couldn't you have given us some examples of what you deem better CGI, and more specifically as to why instead of this "R U SARCASTIC? LULZ".
I want to know what you mean by "in your face and CG". I don't get it. I really don't. It looks good t me!
brandonh83
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It's more than the city stuff, but that alone, you know, I mean I think it's quite damning if your entire climax is terrible. In terms of filmmaking it's obviously pretty good (aside from the personal nitpick of the dull cinematography) but the story sucks, the characters are incredibly stupid despite being comprised of scientists and researchers, there are unforgivable moments like Kelly kicking the raptor through the window which by itself completely ruined what otherwise could have been a decent action sequence, a scientist freaking out over a snake crawling into his vest causing him to run out and be comically eaten by a Rex, the wide-eyed black guy screaming as the raptor pounces on him... it's just littered with, again, things that revoke the quality of what could have been good.
On top of all this, they bring Malcolm back as the protagonist when he had zero business being a protagonist. I touched on this in the spoiler thread, but Malcolm should be like Jack Sparrow. He provides that supporting character flair that works best when he's feeding off other characters. I know that he was the protagonist in the second book, but when they brought him back in the second movie, they had to completely alter his personality in order to shoehorn him into the protagonist role, and it didn't work. There's a myriad of things wrong with the movie, which is why it gets a bad rap. You're welcome to disagree of course and if you like it, more power to you, but I don't think the backlash it gets is unreasonable.
AgentOtaku
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Fuck I miss Pete Postlewaithe...
Would have given ANYTHING to see an entire film made out of his character. He's pretty much the best thing about TLW
The way his character is just... disregarded in the film perfectly highlights what's wrong with IE super bloated and meandering
Anton Sugar
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^ Yup. Ian Malcolm didn't return for TLW, Jeff Goldblum did.
Coulda watched a whole movie of Postlewaithe/Roland Tembo tracking a Rex across Sorna. He was maybe the only interesting character in the movie.
Fuck I miss Pete Postlewaithe...
Would have given ANYTHING to see an entire film made out of his character. He's pretty much the best thing about TLW
The way his character is just... disregarded in the film perfectly highlights what's wrong with IE super bloated and meandering
Coulda watched a whole movie of Postlewaithe/Roland Tembo tracking a Rex across Sorna. He was maybe the only interesting character in the movie.
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