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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
It's to eat her ass with.

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Whatever I did to my neck isn't going away. Got agitated by chins a few days ago, then by deads today. Odd because OHP didn't cause any issues the other day, so it just seems like I'll be avoiding deads and such for a bit. Going to continue 5/3/1 but just do it 3 days a week skipping deads. Not a huge deal because my arms and chest could use the extra focus, and my legs are already a strong point, as is my back/shoulders. Simply going to take a few weeks easy.

What area of your neck hurts?
 

rando14

Member
It's to eat her ass with.

Hah, you're filthy.

I was TRYING to go to a pizza buffet after the gym today, but the place was fucking packed with a line out the door. Had to go home and eat healthy :(

So, I just started doing standing barbell presses. What's the difference between doing it strict and "not-strict"? Is it bringing the bar down to your chest?

Not-strict involves using your legs and momentum.
 

Petrie

Banned
What area of your neck hurts?

It seems like when I strain my neck, I pinched a nerve or something. I get a sharp pain in the area where my neck and head meet, and feel a bit light headed. Goes away quickly enough. No issues during my bench, tbar rows, ohp, only during deads and chins.
 

abuC

Member
Taking a small break from lifting weights, doing mostly body weight training for now, plan on bulking up to 250-260lbs and then cutting to 240lbs. I really don't like how I look at 223lbs, I feel skinny, no bueno.
 

despire

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Those pictures are unbelievable. Amazing job. She turned from 35 year old house mom in to a 25 year old hottie.


But in any case I decided to film myself yesterday doing my deadlifts. Figured I might ask for a form check while I'm at it so I'd appreciate if you find anything to critique and tell me about it so I can fix it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAmDhzcqB9w
 

Veezy

que?
Your front squat stance is supposed to be exactly the same as your back squat stance.

Your ideal squat stance should be the same throughout all the different squatting variations.

For more see: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0980011116/

Tru dat, great book for into Olympic lifting BTW.

The front squat is simply the catch for the clean. Watch Olympic clean and jerks and you'll generally see the squat wide enough that the iliac bones, widest part of the hip bone, can pass below the femur, think about the design of the hip not wide enough and that lip will catch wrong and will twist your femur causing pressure on knee. All squats are that length, as in order to hit regulation depth, top of the thighs parallel, you must be wide enough for the iliac bones to go below the top of the femur. The only type of squat that gets crazy wide are sumo squats specifically for really high weight, generally geared, power lifting.

 

OG Kush

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Flax meal can be used in place of any type of flour or meal in just about any recipe. It's made up of mostly fiber and fat so the carb content is next to nil. I use it to make pancake, waffles, etc when on a carb restricted diet when the cravings hit.

It has a unique texture though, mostly due to the fiber. It has this slight crunch to it I guess? It's hard to explain, but can be a turn off. Try it out.

oh cool, i'll look into it.
 
Did epic leg workout yesterday. New, tighter muscle tone on the sartorius (opposite side of quad, just above and to the left of the knee). Hell yeah!
 

SeanR1221

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Those pictures are unbelievable. Amazing job. She turned from 35 year old house mom in to a 25 year old hottie.


But in any case I decided to film myself yesterday doing my deadlifts. Figured I might ask for a form check while I'm at it so I'd appreciate if you find anything to critique and tell me about it so I can fix it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAmDhzcqB9w

I'm curious too, because it looks pretty good to me, but I don't know the technicalities nearly as well as the intermediate to advance guys here.
 

bro1

Banned
Anybody else constantly sore? I didn't realize how much pain I was in until I took these two days off. I have shin splints, a sore back, sore elbow, and a sore shoulder. Hopefully this week of rest helps!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Anybody else constantly sore? I didn't realize how much pain I was in until I took these two days off. I have shin splints, a sore back, sore elbow, and a sore shoulder. Hopefully this week of rest helps!

Just doms and (recently) that numbness in my lower right leg, that's it.

It sounds like you were going balls crazy for way too long bud.

Those pictures are unbelievable. Amazing job. She turned from 35 year old house mom in to a 25 year old hottie.


But in any case I decided to film myself yesterday doing my deadlifts. Figured I might ask for a form check while I'm at it so I'd appreciate if you find anything to critique and tell me about it so I can fix it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAmDhzcqB9w

Looked fine to me.

Tru dat, great book for into Olympic lifting BTW.

The front squat is simply the catch for the clean. Watch Olympic clean and jerks and you'll generally see the squat wide enough that the iliac bones, widest part of the hip bone, can pass below the femur, think about the design of the hip not wide enough and that lip will catch wrong and will twist your femur causing pressure on knee. All squats are that length, as in order to hit regulation depth, top of the thighs parallel, you must be wide enough for the iliac bones to go below the top of the femur. The only type of squat that gets crazy wide are sumo squats specifically for really high weight, generally geared, power lifting.

Thanks (you too munster)! I just typically see people doing them with their knees knifing straight out infront of them when I see them done. Appreciate the info. I'll do wide stance front squats next time.
 

entremet

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Anybody else constantly sore? I didn't realize how much pain I was in until I took these two days off. I have shin splints, a sore back, sore elbow, and a sore shoulder. Hopefully this week of rest helps!

Out of curiosity, do you have a mobility/foam roller routine?
 
I ran 3/4 mile, did 3x6 squats, 3x6 cleans, 3x6 leg press, 3x6 Lunges, and then ran another 1/2 mile.....

My legs feel "tired" today, I think tomorrow they are going to be jello.

3 days left on my cut... can't wait
 

sphinx

the piano man
My legs feel "tired" today, I think tomorrow they are going to be jello.

I am very new to all of this so I'll ask.

is there a natural process in the development of the muscles regarding how it should look and feel? like..a timeline?

workout -> strong/solid shortly thereafter -> sleep -> soft and a bit "sore" (the good kind) the next day -> ????? (at this point I am not sure what continues happening at which moment)

is there a known point in time where the actual results, that which remains, should be noticeable? I suspect the answer is " it's constantly changing, no real, unique moment where a particular result can be seen" but I just want to make sure.

it seems pretty random.. one day out of nowhere, I fill my shirts proudly, other days I look like deflated and wasted.

Until mine looks like these I've got work to do:

hard to appreciate with just a pic but Darthwufei doesn't look to be far from that or at least it shouldn't be outside of his reach to get those legs, he won the leg "contest" (just fooling around) we held in the other thread with actual pics some months back. :D
 

ShaneB

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Yep. I have an account there. Funny forum, but just too bloated.

Same, I like the place, but everything is a megathread and it's impossible to find specific info.

First time I've posted in this thread in a while, but need some advice. Went trail running for the first time in a long time last weekend. Ended up really hurting my feet, and what I later figured out to be my Achilles Tendon.

It doesn't really hurt as much as it did, but I'm definitely still have issues walking and pretty much shuffling around at work here like an old man. Should I be concerned more than I am and get to a doctor(I really dont want to), or is it just an issue of needing time and taking it easy and it'll get better with time.
 
I am very new to all of this so I'll ask.

is there a natural process in the development of the muscles regarding how it should look and feel? like..a timeline?

workout -> strong/solid shortly thereafter -> sleep -> soft and a bit "sore" (the good kind) the next day -> ????? (at this point I am not sure what continues happening at which moment)

is there a known point in time where the actual results, that which remains, should be noticeable? I suspect the answer is " it's constantly changing, no real, unique moment where a particular result can be seen" but I just want to make sure.

it seems pretty random.. one day out of nowhere, I fill my shirts proudly, other days I look like deflated and wasted.

Yeah there's no magic timeline, everyone is different, and nearly everything you do will effect how you look and feel: How heavy your lifting, rest between sets, how many sets, how long you lift for, what you eat, how much water you drink, how much sleep you get, etc etc etc. As far as it being random, it's probably not as random as you think, your carb, sodium, water intake and amount of sleep you get has an enormous effect on subcutaneous water retention.

You have to figure out what your goal is and just stick to a plan, and if you do you WILL get the results you're looking for, there will be bumps along the road, some days you'll feel ripped, some days you'll feel puffy, it's just the way it is.

If you tell me what your goals are I can offer advice to try and help you reach them faster.
 

MjFrancis

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Results come as they are.

Training logs don't lie, however, so that's a good place to start. I wrote down 85% of my strength training since 2009, and I can tell you I generally sucked when I wasn't writing things down. I also regret not measuring my conditioning since I've improved so much and the numbers geek in me would love to quantify those results. Progress pics would have been cool, too, even if they weren't the miracle "look what I did in 3-6 months!" stuff you see floating around.

I'll present Martin Berkhan's measure of progress - it's straightforward, succinct and accommodates a little bit of lollygagging. For this conversation I'll use his measure of what someone should one-rep max within two years of consistent weight training:

Strength Goals: Intermediate

Bench press: body weight x 1.2

Chin-ups or pull-ups: body weight x 1.2 or 8 reps with body weight.

Squat: body weight x 1.6

Deadlift: body weight x 2

These numbers are for a raw (no straps, belt or knee wraps) single repetition.

The progress towards the intermediate strength goals should be fairly linear, meaning that there should be no plateaus that cannot be solved in an uncomplicated manner. By "consistent" training I do not mean never missing a training day, nor do I consider taking 2-3 months off from training consistent.

By "decent training routine", I mean "not doing blatantly stupid shit" (training 5-6 days/week, 20-25 sets for chest and arms, etc.). I do not mean optimal and flawless.

If you find yourself straying from this it's time to seek assistance and help to get back on track.

sphinx said:
hard to appreciate with just a pic but Darthwufei doesn't look to be far from that or at least it shouldn't be outside of his reach to get those legs, he won the leg "contest" (just fooling around) we held in the other thread with actual pics some months back. :D
Yes, you could just as easily replace Darthwufei's leg pic with the Tom Platz pic and my sentiments would be the same!

I don't ascribe to the notion that the back or the legs can ever get too big. I look forward to trying anyways.
 

Petrie

Banned
Results come as they are.

Training logs don't lie, however, so that's a good place to start. I wrote down 85% of my strength training since 2009, and I can tell you I generally sucked when I wasn't writing things down. I also regret not measuring my conditioning since I've improved so much and the numbers geek in me would love to quantify those results. Progress pics would have been cool, too, even if they weren't the miracle "look what I did in 3-6 months!" stuff you see floating around.

I'll present Martin Berkhan's measure of progress - it's straightforward, succinct and accommodates a little bit of lollygagging. For this conversation I'll use his measure of what someone should one-rep max within two years of consistent weight training:

As a skinny fat scrawny guy, it took me about a year, maybe even slightly less, to hit those numbers.

I feel like for a 1 rep max, you should be able to get to those results in under 2 years relatively easily.

Maybe I'm just far more driven and disciplined than I think I am compared to others though. I dunno.

Those numbers just seem low for 2 years, if we are talking 1rm.
 

blackflag

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Anybody else constantly sore? I didn't realize how much pain I was in until I took these two days off. I have shin splints, a sore back, sore elbow, and a sore shoulder. Hopefully this week of rest helps!

Yep this is how I feel and it isn't Doms, except some in my hamstrings. Sore back, hurt knee (torn meniscus), tendonitis in my left elbow, quervain's tendonitis in my wrist. I need to calm down. Taking a week off from compounds (except bench). Going to do some isolation stuff this week as my deload week for 5/3/1 and then see how I feel.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Wow, I'm right at 2 years training and I'm WAY past all of that. I wonder how he came up with that.

Anyway, I think I'm gonna try some hang/power cleans tomorrow. I may add them into my "routine" on a conditioning day. I was gonna do them today, but I just mowed my lawn with was 6+ inches and wet. Fucking sucks.

Another thing I'm definitely experiencing for those looking to boost their bench.

The bigger my back is getting (and stronger) the easier/better my bench is getting. I know I've read from some of the bigger names (in lifting) that this is true, but I didn't really realize it until recently. Also, it's awesome when you find your wife/SO rubbing your back talking about how nice it's getting. ;)
 
You guys are way too kind, lol.

I gotta say, pic of Platz just reminds me of all the leg chaffing you get with big legs. There is just no room between those thighs.

It also gives me crazy underwear issues, they always rise up my crotch as I walk, no matter how tight or loose.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
You guys are way too kind, lol.

I gotta say, pic of Platz just reminds me of all the leg chaffing you get with big legs. There is just no room between those thighs.

It also gives me crazy underwear issues, they always rise up my crotch as I walk, no matter how tight or loose.

Stranded? Rub them legs together and start a fire!

That's funny though, you've got the same issues fat guys have, but it's from your legs being muscular.

How big are your legs btw? How much do you squat/dead? I'm curious because it looks like your squat/dead numbers should be astronomical, although we didn't quite see your hams.
 

Petrie

Banned
So who is getting ready for a big time cheat day this Sunday as football really gets into gear? Hitting the gym at 9am and hitting it hard so my body has something to do with all those glorious calories.
 

deadbeef

Member
Going to switch things up I think. Trying this - a recovery/mobility exercise to start each workout, followed by "assistance" for hypertrophy followed by a max effort move. Got a new workout log so I can actually write things down again. Should help I think.

Today - hip mobility with mini band, barbell step ups, and rack pull from bottom
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Wow, I'm right at 2 years training and I'm WAY past all of that. I wonder how he came up with that.

Some people are pre-disposed to arthritis and/or tendonitis related issues...myself included.

I don't do heavy lifting so it hasn't really been an issue yet. Golfing definitely triggers something in my hands and shoulders though.
 

MjFrancis

Member
As a skinny fat scrawny guy, it took me about a year, maybe even slightly less, to hit those numbers.

I feel like for a 1 rep max, you should be able to get to those results in under 2 years relatively easily.

Maybe I'm just far more driven and disciplined than I think I am compared to others though. I dunno.

Those numbers just seem low for 2 years, if we are talking 1rm.
I look at them as bare minimums.

Consider the source as well. Martin Berkhan is more driven towards aesthetics, and having dealt with a variety of clients for the better half of a decade he's come up something that accounts for a lot of what he's seen out in the world. It's towards the other end of the spectrum of Starting Strength, where strength is the number one goal (usually at the expense of others) but it's a great way for a novice to reach 'intermediate' status within six months. Not everyone in the weight room goes that route, or even desires to go about things that way, and all but the stupidest of weight room routines should get a novice to Berkhan's numbers within two years.

Plus, we're disciplined. We're regulars in a fitness thread (granted, on a video game forum) - and that's more interest and enthusiasm than most lifters give. Anecdotally, I got all my 1RM up to intermediate snuff within a year, and my deadlift is ready to cascade into the "highly advanced" category he gives up to ten years to reach, and I haven't been deadlifting for three years yet.
 

Mully

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This is where my loves of both weightlifting and men's fashion clash. I'm having a hard time finding pants that fit my waist snug and yet also fit in the thigh area.

I am a 32" waist, and a 32" length and I've ripped the inseams of two pairs of jeans this summer because of my thighs.
 

Petrie

Banned
I look at them as bare minimums.

Consider the source as well. Martin Berkhan is more driven towards aesthetics, and having dealt with a variety of clients for the better half of a decade he's come up something that accounts for a lot of what he's seen out in the world. It's towards the other end of the spectrum of Starting Strength, where strength is the number one goal (usually at the expense of others) but it's a great way for a novice to reach 'intermediate' status within six months. Not everyone in the weight room goes that route, or even desires to go about things that way, and all but the stupidest of weight room routines should get a novice to Berkhan's numbers within two years.

Plus, we're disciplined. We're regulars in a fitness thread (granted, on a video game forum) - and that's more interest and enthusiasm than most lifters give. Anecdotally, I got all my 1RM up to intermediate snuff within a year, and my deadlift is ready to cascade into the "highly advanced" category he gives up to ten years to reach, and I haven't been deadlifting for three years yet.

You're right of course. I assume a level of dedication and drive that most simply don't have. My workouts and diet aren't something to do if I can, they are a responsibility on par with my job or any other serious commitment, but most people don't treat them as such. I guess that's likely where the conflict between my g/f and me comes from: her wanting results but not having the same attitude where it is a responsibility. case in point: she texted me this morning: where are you, don't you work a double today? ; then seemed shocked when i said I was out doing my conditioning. I suppose that's the attitude most people have huh? workout if you can/feel like it, but no big deal if you don't.

It's just hard for me to understand that mindset, but I have always had a somewhat obsessive personality. If I'm going to do something, I'm going to excel at it.



As an aside, man did overbulking before make me paranoid about overdoing it. I'm tending bar for 12 hours today, and based on my calculations, that puts my needs at about 4700 calories today for my slow bulk I'm doing. That just freaks me out because it seems far too high. I know when you're doing weight loss they'll say not to count all that work activity as much and just take the bonus weight loss, but when bulking, I need to make sure I'm getting enough. Just seems, high. :/
 

deadbeef

Member
It's just hard for me to understand that mindset, but I have always had a somewhat obsessive personality. If I'm going to do something, I'm going to excel at it.

There is only room in life for so many things that you can pursue obsessively. Having a balanced life is important. Aristotle's golden mean, and all that
 

TheExodu5

Banned
I'm enjoying these whey posts.

Flavors I like:

Chocolate Mint - Not very good in shake form, but great with oats and okay with baking.
Double Rich Chocolate - All around good flavor. Great to cook with it, okay in shakes.
Coffee - Personal favorite, can pretty much use it in anything. Makes a fantastic coffee creamer.
Vanilla - If you want to eat pancakes every day, get this one.

I mean really, it may just be whey, but I get to eat pancakes, waffles, muffins, cakes, brownies, blah blah blah whenever I feel like it. Makes sticking to macros so much easier and lowers that craving to cheat. For me at least.

No whey is not the main source of anything in my diet. But boy does it open a nice new world. Same for flax meal and low carb situations.

People who buy whey to make shakes don't even know. They don't even know!

Have you tried the Mocca/Cappuccino?

Seems like it's rated higher than Coffee...wondering which I should buy.
 
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