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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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sphinx

the piano man
Do you guys count failed reps?

I gotta admit almost always the very first rep would count as failed... from the 3rd on, it feels like I am doing them right, peaking around 7 and 8...I monitor and stop either at 12, 14 or 16 depending on how I feel throughout the set, mostly avoiding failure at the end.

Got back from the doctor and there's no rib injury or hernia in my abdomen, so probably just a muscle tear. Hopefully I'll be back in the gym in a couple weeks. What would cause that? Just not stretching enough?

after tearing a muscle on my back doing pullups yesterday, I think it's not bad warmup or bad stretching but going overboard and overestimating yourself. on the 4th or 5th rep of the very first set, I went slowly as low as possible, then up pretty fast... dumb move, felt bad, finished til the 10th rep as planned but had to quit thereafter. it's not that bad but it might have just knock me out of any bicep exercises for a couple of days...
 
Welp, first post here.

I'm about 5'8" and around 134 pounds. Obviously I'm pretty small and over the past few weeks I've been thinking about getting more in shape. Ideally I'd be looking to put on around 10 pounds and gaining some muscle definition. At the minute the part of my body that irritates me the most is my chest, or lack of.

The main problem I have is access to a gym, I don't drive which immediately puts me at a disadvantage. The nearest gym to me is a bit of a distance and with me having to use public transport it would be difficult for me to regularly attend seeing as I work most days.

I know my Dad has a few sets of weights I could dig out and he has a bench in his garage that I could use.

Basically I'm looking for some advice on how to help achieve my goals baring in mind my current restrictions on the gym side of things. My diet is pretty poor so that's something I want to also improve, I'd have no problems in using protein shakes etc if that's why you guys recommend too.

Thanks for any advice!

Posting for new page :)
 

sphinx

the piano man
Posting for new page :)

one tip I can give is run to the nearest gym and make that your cardio. Once there, just learn about a beginners program that would fit your needs (first post of page 174 has a good one) and stick to it.

Or, ask a trainer in the gym, they can help you more than anyone here because they can see your body and suggest a course of action.
 

agrajag

Banned
I gotta admit almost always the very first rep would count as failed... from the 3rd on, it feels like I am doing them right, peaking around 7 and 8...I monitor and stop either at 12, 14 or 16 depending on how I feel throughout the set, mostly avoiding failure at the end.



after tearing a muscle on my back doing pullups yesterday, I think it's not bad warmup or bad stretching but going overboard and overestimating yourself. on the 4th or 5th rep of the very first set, I went slowly as low as possible, then up pretty fast... dumb move, felt bad, finished til the 10th rep as planned but had to quit thereafter. it's not that bad but it might have just knock me out of any bicep exercises for a couple of days...

Way? Why are you doing so many reps dude?
 

bro1

Banned
Way? Why are you doing so many reps dude?

10 reps isn't that much. Yes, some programs call for 5+, but doing 10 reps is a fine number. I've recently discovered for myself that I get more hypertrophy in the 10+ rep range than I do in the 4-7 range.

As for the poster who has his dad's weights and a bench, go for it. I started out on a Weider bench, with weights that were filled with sand, and Arnolds Bodybuilding encyclopedia. I followed those ridiculoes routines and learned a lot.
 

agrajag

Banned
10 reps isn't that much. Yes, some programs call for 5+, but doing 10 reps is a fine number. I've recently discovered for myself that I get more hypertrophy in the 10+ rep range than I do in the 4-7 range.

As for the poster who has his dad's weights and a bench, go for it. I started out on a Weider bench, with weights that were filled with sand, and Arnolds Bodybuilding encyclopedia. I followed those ridiculoes routines and learned a lot.

He said he goes up to 16 reps. I do 10-12 reps for certain exercises too.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Way? Why are you doing so many reps dude?

oh sorry, I guess that was misleading, I thought you were talking in general for just about any possible exercise, but you clearly mean deadlifts, Squats, Bench press, etc specifically...I somehow considered bodyweight exercises when answering your question..

EDIT: unless, you mean the pull-ups.. I do 10... but not sure what you mean now.
 

agrajag

Banned
oh sorry, I guess that was misleading, I thought you were talking in general for just about any possible exercise, but you clearly mean deadlifts, Squats, Bench press, etc specifically...I somehow considered bodyweight exercises when answering your question..

EDIT: unless, you mean the pull-ups.. I do 10... but not sure what you mean now.

No, I didn't mean pullups. I meant stuff with weights. But I guess the question about failure applies to body weight stuff too.
 

Doodis

Member
I like SS but I think that Rip understates the difficulty in learning the program. Most of these lifts should be taught, IMO.

Totally agree. As someone new to the whole thing, after reading the book I was still a bit unsure, so I bought the video. That actually didn't help too much, because it only shows newbies like me being corrected by Rip. I'd rather see someone with the perfect form doing the lifts.

Hell, I still feel unsure every time I do power cleans.
 
Totally agree. As someone new to the whole thing, after reading the book I was still a bit unsure, so I bought the video. That actually didn't help too much, because it only shows newbies like me being corrected by Rip. I'd rather see someone with the perfect form doing the lifts.

Hell, I still feel unsure every time I do power cleans.

If there are trainers at your gym, you can usually ask one to take a look at your form. That's what I did when doing cleans for the first time.
 
Totally agree. As someone new to the whole thing, after reading the book I was still a bit unsure, so I bought the video. That actually didn't help too much, because it only shows newbies like me being corrected by Rip. I'd rather see someone with the perfect form doing the lifts.

Hell, I still feel unsure every time I do power cleans.

Agreed. I still watch Youtube videos of peoples' forms just to see what's right and what's wrong. I did squats, ohp, and power cleans today and after watching power clean videos earlier, it actually felt like I was doing work when I did them today. My brother who's done SS before gives me some tips but even then, I still have to watch videos and find out for myself.
 

JB1981

Member
Got back from the doctor and there's no rib injury or hernia in my abdomen, so probably just a muscle tear. Hopefully I'll be back in the gym in a couple weeks. What would cause that? Just not stretching enough?

i have read that muscle belly tears only heal "correctly" through rehab immediately following the tear, otherwise scar tissue will form and you will be much worse off.
 

JB1981

Member
Totally agree. As someone new to the whole thing, after reading the book I was still a bit unsure, so I bought the video. That actually didn't help too much, because it only shows newbies like me being corrected by Rip. I'd rather see someone with the perfect form doing the lifts.

Hell, I still feel unsure every time I do power cleans.

The DVD was very helpful to me, actually. Still, Rippetoe is very specific about the way he wants his lifters to lift. I feel like I have my squat/press down pretty good but I am pretty sure my deadlift/bench/clean are a little 'off' and i could benefit dramatically from a well-trained eye.
 
Best bet is to see someone with good form in the gym and just walk up and ask them for a quick hand. I'd be weary of the gym's personal trainers, i've seen some PT's here teach 1/5th of a rep squats.

I'm reading the 2nd edition of SS, it's pretty well explained. Granted you won't get your form perfect each time, but if you take on board what the book says, practice, practice and practice you'll get a feel for it, as long as you focus on your form and correlate it what it says in the book, you'll pick up on your own mistakes and adjust accordingly.
 

Cheeto

Member
Just scheduled a 60 minute deep tissue massage next sunday, awww yeah.

How deep are we talking here?
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Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
How deep are we talking here?
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Lol, joking aside I got the chick that specializes in myofascial release, but I'm a bit put off by her name.

Amanda "moon" Holmes.

I think we got a hippy folks.

Also, never had a massage before, but from what I'm reading on the site it's acceptable to get completely naked? I thought underwear was a must in these situations.
 

Cheeto

Member
I literally have no idea, but I'll fire from the hip... I think it's usually up to the patron with what they're comfortable with, being nude under the towel or in underwear.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Ah, the jokes!

Anyway, yeah, cheeto that's what it says. I'll probably just go with the boxer briefs I always wear, lol. I do need her to work on my hip/ham/glute/groin area though that's where I'm having most of my issues.
 

sphinx

the piano man
Will this next day soreness ever end?

its weird because the soreness in arms but specially in the chest will never end, I always feel like swollen... but on legs and abs, I don't remember ever feeling much of soreness the day after, even though they feel like burning after the sets..
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
i have read that muscle belly tears only heal "correctly" through rehab immediately following the tear, otherwise scar tissue will form and you will be much worse off.

Where have you read this?
 

Doodis

Member
Best bet is to see someone with good form in the gym and just walk up and ask them for a quick hand. I'd be weary of the gym's personal trainers, i've seen some PT's here teach 1/5th of a rep squats.

I'm reading the 2nd edition of SS, it's pretty well explained. Granted you won't get your form perfect each time, but if you take on board what the book says, practice, practice and practice you'll get a feel for it, as long as you focus on your form and correlate it what it says in the book, you'll pick up on your own mistakes and adjust accordingly.

Funny thing is, even though I'm new to lifting and can't lift a fraction of what most other guys are doing at my gym, I can still see a lot of them are doing it wrong, squats especially. At least, it's wrong according to SS.
 

kylej

Banned
How do you know you're going to fail before you do it?

I can tell when I don't have another rep in the tank. Going to failure is very taxing on your body and doing another sloppy half rep isn't going to make or break your ability to build muscle.

who was the dude who had the russian massage therapist at his gym who would beat you off? I still think we need a FitnessGAF road trip.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I can tell when I don't have another rep in the tank. Going to failure is very taxing on your body and doing another sloppy half rep isn't going to make or break your ability to build muscle.

who was the dude who had the russian massage therapist at his gym who would beat you off? I still think we need a FitnessGAF road trip.


Pretty sure that was Mully.
 

agrajag

Banned
I can tell when I don't have another rep in the tank. Going to failure is very taxing on your body and doing another sloppy half rep isn't going to make or break your ability to build muscle.

who was the dude who had the russian massage therapist at his gym who would beat you off? I still think we need a FitnessGAF road trip.

I agree, but sometimes I feel good before doing the last rep but I still fail. If I fail the rep, I don't try to complete it wish shitty form, I just move on.
 

Mully

Member
Yeah the Russian ex-pat is still at the Retro Fitness in Farmingdale, NY. The regulars mentioned to me that shes a little fast and rough on the rub and tug.
 
About a month into the bulk. Not too much of a difference but my chest seems to be a bit bigger. Definitely can push more weight though now that I am eating more haha.

Aug--------Sept
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Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I'll be honest, you look almost the same to me in both pictures, but that's the way it's going to be. Packing on muscle take a long time. This isn't like fat loss/cutting pictures where you're gonna see huge results in the span of a month. You're not really going to get month to month progress pictures unless you're on some other type of "help."

Do yourself a favor and keep each picture from each month then 3-6 months down the road post a picture. You might drive yourself nuts posting pictures every month hoping you're suddenly at your ideal hoogeness.

The important thing is you're getting stronger and gaining muscle, the looks will come with it, just don't get in a rush for it.
 

mooooose

Member
Oh god I am definitely under eating lately. Yesterday I had Oatmeal, a salad with avacado and a little chicken, and a turkey patty... that was it. Today I had a turkey sandwich on a flatbread roll thing, and then I had two salmon patties with a plate of veggies.

I'm not even hungry though.
 
Chest and deltoids look bigger from what I can see.

Yeah, that's what I though too.

I'll be honest, you look almost the same to me in both pictures, but that's the way it's going to be. Packing on muscle take a long time. This isn't like fat loss/cutting pictures where you're gonna see huge results in the span of a month. You're not really going to get month to month progress pictures unless you're on some other type of "help."

Do yourself a favor and keep each picture from each month then 3-6 months down the road post a picture. You might drive yourself nuts posting pictures every month hoping you're suddenly at your ideal hoogeness.

The important thing is you're getting stronger and gaining muscle, the looks will come with it, just don't get in a rush for it.

Okay, I will. Thanks. I tend to try to pick out any gains I can see and yes, it will be counter productive. No more pics till next year. I will do it up dood!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I would still take pics, I just might not post them. You might not get the response you hope for, which might deflate you, or you might get comments that are "overly positive" that might prematurely make you think "I'm done."

I'd personally post a "transformation" post after a while to show the journey of becoming a huge beast and blow everyone's socks off, but that's just me.
 

Petrichor

Member
I'm pretty new to lifting and there's an issue I've been struggling with getting my head around. Say I'm doing one of my two weekly chest days (on which I do three exercises with three sets to failure or 12 reps, so it'll usually look something like 12x8x6 or 12x12x8 as I advance) - I tend to be able to lift more on the second and third exercise if I wait for a couple of hours between exercises (I find that I can only lift to failure comparably in the subsequent exericse if there is a big delay). My question is, what will stimulate growth more, doing the three exercises in immediate succession (reps be damned) or maximising the amount of reps I can do by spacing my exercises out across the day?
 
I would still take pics, I just might not post them. You might not get the response you hope for, which might deflate you, or you might get comments that are "overly positive" that might prematurely make you think "I'm done."

I'd personally post a "transformation" post after a while to show the journey of becoming a huge beast and blow everyone's socks off, but that's just me.

That's actually what I'm doing right now. I'm cutting to try and get ripped for the first time in my life. It's just something I've always wanted, but always failed to reach before. But point is I've been taking a pick every 2 weeks and completed my first month just this past Monday. But I don't want to post progress reports. I'm waiting until the end because when I do post it, I want more of a wow factor. To really impress and hopefully inspire some. I'm pretty sure my finished physique(if I finish it) won't impress anyone here because I lack mass, but I've been fat and chubby my whole life that even I would be grateful to have a ottermode body.
 

Man

Member
I've been cutting since I started Beginners Full Body routine on August 20th.
Really good progress in both looks & strength so far, will post results October 1st (six weeks). Hype!
 

Petrichor

Member
RE: my above question - it seems like everyone else is able to maintain weight and reps across 9 consecutive sets, is my recovery just really terrible? (I wait 90 seconds between sets and about an hour and a half between exercises)
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I had to reread your posts multiple times to make sure I was reading them right. You're saying you do 3 different exercises, separated by 90minutes each? Is anyone else reading it like that?
 

snoopen

Member
Petrichor, not to be overly condescending, but have you read the OP? It should answer the questions and give you a better, structured program.

Diet be damned, going to have a big fuckoff burger after PBing deadlifts.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
When doing cardio is there such a thing as a "fat-burning zone" or is it really all about calories in vs calories out?

You will burn energy whether you're sitting, walking, running during the day, but in terms of "fat burning (calorie burning)" you want to get your heart rate up to its THR and maintain it there. The truth is there are people who say "Oh I stay fit by biking 10 mins to work and home everyday!" and while it's true that they're getting in some activity, it's really nothing if you never get your heart pumping. Also realize the first 10 mins of a workout (usually called warmup) is going through your carb reserves of the day first, you don't actually start "burning fat" until well into your workout and close to your full THR, which can be hard to maintain for beginners.
 

Fewr

Member
Question:

I've been swimming twice a week for about 3 years now. This summer I decided to start running. The summer's now almost over and it's getting very cold outside. I can only run from 5 to 6am; I wear two tshirts and a thin hoodie when I go out.

What could I wear to stay warm? My problem is that I sweat a lot, the sweat gets cold and I don't want to catch a cold. Should I add layers? Buy proper running clothes?(I don't even know if that exists).

I've been thinking about doing the insanity videos during the week (doing something is better than doing nothing right?), and go out running on weekends since I have time to do so when the temperature is not too low. I don't want to be a super athlete, I just want to lose weight and stay fit.

Suggestions please?

EDIT: If possible, I wouldn't want to do treadmills, I find them boring.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I used to train in the winter too.. my most important piece of equipment.. gloves. Keeping your head warm is the big thing though. There are of course running clothes, specifically shirts that'll wick sweat like Nike's Drifit, but you can just layer normally (definitely fleece). The key is when you get back home take off all that stuff and jump in the shower for a bit. You'll be fine while you're running and keeping your body temp up (assuming you're not losing heat through your head/hands) but you need a bit of time for your body to readjust once inside.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I have pretty good results with a nice hat (a wool or fleece beanie), a long sleeve shirt, and a fleece vest for running. Remember to breathe IN through your nose, that will warm the air and keep your chest from hurting as much. I usually wear shorts no matter how col it is unless I know it will be very windy or I will stop often. Don't use gloves, I can just pull the sleeves over my hands if necessary. The trick is to be able to quickly add/shed layers as you heat up and cool down to limit sweating as much as possible.
 
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