FallingEdge
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I wouldn't say it is garbage. It just depends on your goals. I myself wouldn't do <50g unless it is something like PSMF but even then, it is for like 2 weeks.
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TheDarkStark
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You're right, as long as you use it as a short-term weight loss aid it's fine, But too many people think they're going to go from being a lifelong fatty to being a men's health fitness model by doing it. It's just not sustainable, and it's incredibly hard to build or even maintain muscle without proper carb intake. It can also be very misleading as you will likely drop 3-4 lbs in water weight almost immediately.
If you think about a diet as diet and not as a lifestyle, it's bound to fail you.
Spiritreaver
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Just about every cut I've been on has had me dropping water weight early. Any time you go for a high cal, very high carb (too many) diet to anything lower, you're gonna see water weight drop.
There is also nothing wrong with looking as a diet, as a diet. If you understand the purposes of the diet and the realistic goals you can achieve with said diet.
I realize you're referring to obesity and weight loss, and I agree that low carbing the entire time is a bad idea. I don't think the same thought can be applied to ALL diets and goals.
And although completely anecdotal. I have never really lost much mass, and in some cases gained a bit, on a short term no carb diet. But as you say, it's not worth sustaining if you plan to pursue other goals besides fat loss.
Garbage for you. Some people can do it. People like me. I eat 20g carbs per day and lift 90 min 4 days a week and do HIIT 4-5 times a week for 30 min. No problems at all. Been doing it for 10 months out of the past year. LOL at not being able to gain muscle on low carb.
Spiritreaver
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Wow.... you're not human, are you? Props. I have only done keto for a little over 3 months at the longest. I pretty much felt drained at the end so I had to switch to something else. The results were impressive though.
Why are you doing HIIT 4-5 times a week for 30 minutes?
Maybe I'm a genetic freak lol. Yeah some people's bodies don't do well on it but some function perfectly fine.
Because it's less boring that regular cardio.
I think he means that you can't be going as intense as HiiT is suppose to be if you're going that long. Up the intensity.
Oh, maybe not then I suppose, I'll have to check what the standard is.
HIIT sessions are around 10-20 minutes long. You can mix up your HIIT sessions by messing around with your heats. For instance, you can sprint for a minute and have a minute and a half recovery time one day. The next HIIT session can have a thirty second sprint and a forty-five second recovery.
That's what I thought. 30 minutes means you aren't going at a high enough gear, so to speak.
Yeah if you're doing a 30 minute HIIT session, you're most likely doing regular interval training. Either way, you're giving yourself a good workout. I just can't compute how you do 5/3/1, HIIT, and lift for 90 minutes five times a week with such a caloric and carb restrictive diet.
I'm a bit worried for you. I'm sure you're going to school and work as well and with that type of routine and diet, you could faint.
I'm a bit worried for you. I'm sure you're going to school and work as well and with that type of routine and diet, you could faint.
Thanks man, I watch it though. I feel great.
Ok here I go. I'm under no illusion I look good. Still need to lose many lbs and several % before I can bulk. This is 1 year and 15 days or so progress. I was 310 and now I'm 226. I was super fat. like 46-48 inch waist. Now I wear 34 and those are getting too big but when I measure it's more like 37.
6'0 226
edit: apparently I fail at posting pictures.
Crap. How to make images smaller? Shit was huge.
Screw it. Go here if you want to see. Too much trouble. lol
http://blackflag.imgur.com/all/
6'0 226
edit: apparently I fail at posting pictures.
Crap. How to make images smaller? Shit was huge.
Screw it. Go here if you want to see. Too much trouble. lol
http://blackflag.imgur.com/all/
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
I think the problem with that case was idiocy.
There's also inexperience and lack of understanding. DB fly doesn't recruit much tricep at all which can be a great advantage if you press heavy first. The bicep and forearm are what is stabilizing and keeping you from breaking down. Shoulder joint is compromised only if your stabilizers fail. EMG data has shown that flat DB fly activates the targeted muscle more than many presses will, T-nation had an article on this. As long as you're not an idiot you can load whatever weight you can handle comfortably.
Also form, bend your arms if you're going to do flys...watch how Arnold did them.
TheDarkStark
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Seriously.
I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just always skeptical. But if it works for you then good for you, and keep at it, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade.
Believe me I'm no stranger to fad diets, I've tried many, including atkins way back when. I just have realized that most "diets" won't get you the long-term results that most people want.
"Blackflags image's are not publicly available"
I feel like I'm doing something wrong, because I don't feel anything from doing DB flyes. Like, I'll struggle to complete the sets, but I don't feel any burn in my pecks afterward like I do from bench pressing.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Could be a number of things. Are your arms tired after doing them?
You're not just swinging the weight straight out to the sides as many fitness trainers show. Arms should be bent at an angle and the angle shouldn't change much at all, it's not a press. Your fly pattern could differ, some people bring them inline with their pecs or upper abdomen.
TheDarkStark
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To add to this: You shouldn't really feel like you're using your shoulders (delts) or arms much at all. You should be squeezing your pecs together almost as if you're trying to crush a nut between your pecs.
Spiritreaver
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Yeah, I go heavy on flyes when I have the capability to go heavy, but they are generally such a late game assistance exercise that I don't bother. 45s are about as high as I'll go.
I also prefer to have my arms more out, only a slight bend at the elbows, where it hits the shoulders a lot lot more. I feel the tightness in my chest a lot more than if bring my arms in. Of course this means I stay very light. If I were to bring them in and go heavier, I often feel like it's too easy for me to cheat a rep and press the movement. ESPECIALLY on flat.
Though I definitely do both forms (including the more correct one
)).EDIT: I kinda didn't really respond to your post MTP. I just feel like most people are far too overzealous with trying to be "strong" that on these isolation/assistance lifts where form is really really key, keeping in mind that people often do these after doing heavier and more taxing exercises beforehand that it's so easy for people to fuck up something.
I wouldn't doubt that the majority of joint issues that people have are from overzealous assistance movements, moreso than bad form on compound lifts. But I dunno.
Anyway, you're right. Go as heavy as you are comfortable with, just don't be dumb.
I do bend my arms, and try to go bellow 90 degrees. One thing I do is when I finish the movement, I do lock out my arms. It's really hard to keep them bent at the end of the motion, it feels like I'm going to drop them on my chest if I don't straighten them.
I thought full range of motion is best, but I don't know anything.
I hear you, I think it's relative. I don't think low carb diets are so bad if you're not concerned with making gains in the gym, but otherwise it's pretty ass imo. I messed with keto for a while during the summer, it's not for me and wouldn't bother with it long term. I'd rather carb cycle.
Those are butterfly pull ups. Hardly as effective as regular pull ups and will lead to SLAP tears.
A little kip won't kill you, but that butterfly stuff is insane.
Search for an active position. An active position is a comfortable depth as far as you can hang without feeling like your arms are being pulled from their sockets. Your upper back should be prepared to pull your body. Do not stop as you are travelling away from the bar to find the position. After the first pull, your body will naturally stop in an active position; it wants to preserve a comfortable pulling position.
What do you mean by this? Pull-ups are a gymnastics movement. You are hanging from the bar and need to reach your chin over the bar or bring your chest to the bar. Kipping is more efficient than pulling strictly because it transfers momentum. This does not train your upper back strictly, but it trains a gymnastics movement, teaching you to tighten your core and keep your entire body rigid and not waste energy. I'm not worried if kipping pull-ups train my back "less" than strict pull-ups because pull-ups are not the best movement to train my back anyway! Pull-ups train me to pull my bodyweight. I will train any method that teaches me to move my body. Butterfly kipping is simply a variation on kipping, which is a variation on strict pulling. It's all the same movement with the same goal, just a different transfer of momentum.
EDIT: 2009 CrossFit Games champion hardly kipping yet still destroying.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
What is the Gaf consensus on crossfit ? Considering joining a branch but its rather pricy
MrOogieBoogie
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That guy is a fucking man. Holy shit.
god dammit. i was so close....
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ohhthegore
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Schattenjäger;43113577 said:
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Your 2009 example is fine. It's definitely a fast pull up, but safe.
Butterfly kipping pull ups will lead to SLAP tears due to how they're done. In addition, the purpose of the pull up is, yes, to practice pulling up your body weight. So, why would you do that movement in a manner that that's not as efficient for reaching the end goal? A light kip isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's helping you train lifting your body weight. But that butterfly shit serves zero purpose except to do as many "pull ups" as you can in a period of time.
If you want to gas yourself, be my guest, but saying that butterfly kipping pull ups are safe or effective at training the back is incorrect.
@Schattenjäger - Do not pay to go to a Crossfit box. They are generally overpriced and staffed by people who wouldn't be qualified working as a PT at a Gold's, much less being called "coach" and owning a gym. While there a are some solid boxes out there, they are not doing "Crossfit" they are doing strength and HIIT for conditioning. Which you can do, by yourself, for less than 200 dollars a month.
Now, if you're at one of the awesome CF boxes, then go for it. But, for your joints' sake do your research. And make sure they're insured.
Which one did you get?
Schattenjäger;43113577 said:
I think Crossfit deserves credit for introducing people to the "big" lifts: Crossfit gets people to squat, press, deadlift and clean. It has also been a good gateway to introduce people to the Olympic lifts and their variations like the power snatch.
Crossfit has shown people the value of training to achieve goals, of showing up at the gym and setting actual goals to yourself and reaching them, instead of the "work out" mentality that pervades the "fitness" and "health" industry, where you go to the gym and endure 45 mind-numbing minutes of elliptical followed by a trillion biceps curls and triceps kickbacks.
So in that sense I believe Crossfit is great.
The problem is that it can also be pretty retarded: programming is all over the place; stuff like 50 power cleans followed by 50 burpees followed by a 100 thrusters basically only serves the purpose of making you good at Crossfit (and very often, fucking up your joints). There's a joke that Crossfit makes the men look like women and the women look like really hot women. And it also has a very cultish attitude of "eliteness" that can be very annoying. And from what I gather from various sources, the people at the top (Glassman and company) are basically scammers who have no clue of what they are doing, and it's only because of the collaborators (people like Mark Rippetoe) they've had that Crossfit manages to make any sense at all
Not to mention Crossfit gyms can be overpriced as hell.
Does this show up as public now? I think I figured it out. Tried to post them here but the pictures were too big.
http://blackflag.imgur.com/all/
http://blackflag.imgur.com/all/
FallingEdge
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looking real good man. Got a solid base and wide back.
How big are your arms?
How big are your arms?
Thanks
17 cold but I got no peak. I have big triceps and not great biceps. Also the lower part of my chest sucks and my traps are just overwhelmed by my delts. Hopefully when I start eating more some of that will balance out but it'll be a few months I think.
Thanks!!!
I am immensely thankful for paternity leave. So I have just shy of five weeks left now where I can help the wife and the little guy as much as I want. I was in bed twelve hours but in between I woke up to help whenever something came up. So, daddy gets his sleep and mommy gets help with baby.
Funny you mentioned a jogger, since a jogging stroller is like one of the first things we bought for him. Since I can't do this, I suppose:
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And blackflag, your pictures look good. I really wish I could see some before pics, because that weight difference is extreme, and you have undoubtedly become more awesome.
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