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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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balddemon

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Worked out hard for the first time in months for a good hour and a half. Boy am I dead. Stopped by in n out and got two double doubles protein style, felt good. Going back tomorrow for another hour.

LOL
dont do that again. i used to get mcdoubles, bad idea. just hit up mcd and get a large powerade for a buck. best cheapest recovery drink
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Shitty.
And dude, I did 531 for years. IIRC I helped convince you to do 531! I just wanted something different for awhile

Oh yeah! I just remember you mostly talking about Smolov, sorry I have a lot of shit going on so my memory is a bit off atm, lol

Have a police board next Wednesday, but it's not looking good, there's 2 other ex-cops there.

What are you doing now though? Did you move to Texas Method? Or Advanced Texas Method? WSBB?
 

blackflag

Member
Worked out hard for the first time in months for a good hour and a half. Boy am I dead. Stopped by in n out and got two double doubles protein style, felt good. Going back tomorrow for another hour.

I roll the same way bro, 2 double doubles protein style.
 

kylej

Banned
Worked out hard for the first time in months for a good hour and a half. Boy am I dead. Stopped by in n out and got two double doubles protein style, felt good. Going back tomorrow for another hour.

How long does it usually take for noticeable improvement (I'm an insanely skinny dude that's never really done weight training my entire life)? Gobbling 150g of protein a day, doing cardio (intervals) 3 days, and weight training 3 days a week.

It is most definitely a marathon and not a sprint. I'd say in 3 months you'll notice some significant changes. Take pictures now and check again in 3 months, then 6 months, then a year.


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(275lbs)

my waifu
 

MDR1750

Neo Member
Damn. I really hope it's not that serious-- I feel fine moving around normally. I can, however, feel my lower back pain when I hold my breath and tighten my abs.


Yep, I have the book and took careful notes. I ride my bike at a leisurely pace 1.5 miles to the gym. I always start with an empty bar for two sets, then do 1 set each of increasing weight (about 3 times, fewer reps each time) until I get to the work set. So, I felt I was sufficiently warmed up. I weight 160lbs, so I get near 160 grams of protein a day and I get plenty of rest. I do have a slightly overextended back (years of poor posture), but I make sure to tighten my abs while squatting to support my back, and I naturally hold my breath when performing the lifts. My current plan is to try again in a couple days and just repeat my last successful workout set for set. I was just wondering if there was some magical stretch or something I could do that could whisk away the pain.

I hope it's nothing serious and you recover. I would take more than a few days off though. even if you feel 100% in 3 days you might reinjure yourself as soon as you try again. You should seriously consider seeing a doctor even if the pain isn't that debilitating.

I'm probably going to get some shit for this but I don't care how many times someone has read that book or watched videos on youtube for form, a beginner should have an experienced lifter or coach show him or her how to perform the lifts properly.

it's very easy to think your form is spot on when it's not. especially if you work out by yourself.
 

Mr.City

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Worked out hard for the first time in months for a good hour and a half. Boy am I dead. Stopped by in n out and got two double doubles protein style, felt good. Going back tomorrow for another hour.

How long does it usually take for noticeable improvement (I'm an insanely skinny dude that's never really done weight training my entire life)? Gobbling 150g of protein a day, doing cardio (intervals) 3 days, and weight training 3 days a week.

Edit: Someone told me to go to bed at 10 PM for best results, which is waayyyyy to early for me. Can I skimp and sleep at 11-12 or does that really comprise muscle building (dude said HGH is secreted from 10 pm to 2 AM, and so going to bed at 10 maximizes muscle gain).

Double doubles protein style? What the fuck does that mean?

Also, I wish people would read all OP, especially the part where I mention credible sources and how random assholes in the gym with their newspaper clipping knowledge don't really help.

If you're skinny, stop with so many damn cardio, eat more food, and lift some heavy weights.
 

deadbeef

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Oh yeah! I just remember you mostly talking about Smolov, sorry I have a lot of shit going on so my memory is a bit off atm, lol

Have a police board next Wednesday, but it's not looking good, there's 2 other ex-cops there.

What are you doing now though? Did you move to Texas Method? Or Advanced Texas Method? WSBB?

I think it's the Madcow intermediate set up.


It's been a year maybe I need to do Smolov again. Any takers wanna do it with me??? Join me comrades! In Soviet Russia, bar squats you!
 

balddemon

Banned
I think it's the Madcow intermediate set up.


It's been a year maybe I need to do Smolov again. Any takers wanna do it with me??? Join me comrades! In Soviet Russia, bar squats you!

fuck yes, link me the program. i'm super close to convincing my dad to get my a belt as an early birthday present, lol
 

deadbeef

Member
fuck yes, link me the program. i'm super close to convincing my dad to get my a belt as an early birthday present, lol

You have to commit, and be a little crazy. You must ignore scale weight, and eat, sleep and squat. And squat. And squat.

http://wkak.net/SmolovFAQ.htm

There's a excel spreadsheet in there I used last time.

I'll do it with anyone. I'll need a week or so to get ready, and will start with the Intro cycle (2 weeks long I think)
 

Mr.City

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Sat - Shoulders/Abs/Cardio
Press/Seated DB Press
[insert other shoulder work]
[insert various ab exercises]
sprints

There are a lot of ab exercises, however are you sure you want to tempt fate with your previous back injury? Why not combine both with some back-off sets of the press?

Right. Isn't he going to lose tons of lean body mass? When you starve, your body stores the fat and eats up the muscle. You're doing it wrong!

You're going to be burning a lot of muscle with that much of a deficit. Take into consideration:

Right. Isn't he going to lose tons of lean body mass? When you starve, your body stores the fat and eats up the muscle. You're doing it wrong!

That's not quite how it works. I'm going to be a know-it-all here, but generally, when you starve, your glycogen stores in the muscles eventually empty. In order to produce some type of glucose for the brain to use, it'll need a certain amino acid found in the proteins of the body, such as muscular tissue. If your dietary protein is high enough, you can spare most, if not all, of your lean body mass, however if your dietary deficit is so severe that it doesn't allow for the proper amount of dietary protein, then LBM loss is going to be a real problem.

What I mean by that previous statement is that protein has about a calorie cost of 4 calories per gram, so someone needing 200 grams of protein would require at least 800 calories in his diet. This is why bjb's diet is silly; he is going extremely low calorie with no real planning on how to do it coupled along with mindless food choices.
 

balddemon

Banned
You have to commit, and be a little crazy. You must ignore scale weight, and eat, sleep and squat. And squat. And squat.

http://wkak.net/SmolovFAQ.htm

There's a excel spreadsheet in there I used last time.

I'll do it with anyone. I'll need a week or so to get ready, and will start with the Intro cycle (2 weeks long I think)

oh my gosh

that is a lot of weight.
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taken from the calculator with a RM of 310. gonna be terrible lol. but im looking forward to jumping higher
 

deadbeef

Member
oh my gosh

that is a lot of weight.
IjOtC.png

taken from the calculator with a RM of 310. gonna be terrible lol. but im looking forward to jumping higher

Yeah but all you do is squat so it makes for a simple workout. Things really get crazy in the "intense" phase when compared to your current RM. You could probably gain about 60 lbs on your current squat
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I think it's the Madcow intermediate set up.


It's been a year maybe I need to do Smolov again. Any takers wanna do it with me??? Join me comrades! In Soviet Russia, bar squats you!

Lol, to be honest I'm not familiar with Smolov, or even madcow

Edit: Yeah, I don't think I could do that volume with my diet and cardio right now.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Bah! Screw your diet and cardio, and the ability to walk up and down stairs or get off/on the toilet.

Lol, I get that enough now (more so before I toned down the main work to get more cardio going on a lower caloric intake).

I'm "cutting" (just not eating bad, and not eating the extra I was eating before) right now and preparing for more exams, after that I'll focus more on building strength again. If I tried to lift like I was even 2 months ago (volume wise) doing what I'm doing now I'd be dead.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Double doubles protein style? What the fuck does that mean?

Also, I wish people would read all OP, especially the part where I mention credible sources and how random assholes in the gym with their newspaper clipping knowledge don't really help.

If you're skinny, stop with so many damn cardio, eat more food, and lift some heavy weights.

In n out's double double protein style = two meat patties with cheese and tomatoes, with lettuce replacing the buns.

So is there no truth to the "go to bed at 10 PM for maximum HGH production?" Do I just need 7+ hours of sleep even if that's from 12-8 or 1-8? I'm only doing around 10 minutes of high intensity interval training (sprint 8 seconds, rest 12; 20 reps), 3 days a week for cardio. Thought it would be a good way to knock off some blubber off my belly (I'm really skinny, but got a slight, very slight belly). Is that too much? I'm hittin the weights 3 days a week, hopefully that's enough.

As far as food goes, is it ok to throw in some bread/pasta (aka plain carbs/starch) with my protein (fish, steak, eggs, chicken) for muscle building?
 
In n out's double double protein style = two meat patties with cheese and tomatoes, with lettuce replacing the buns.

So is there no truth to the "go to bed at 10 PM for maximum HGH production?" Do I just need 7+ hours of sleep even if that's from 12-8 or 1-8? I'm only doing around 10 minutes of high intensity interval training (sprint 8 seconds, rest 12; 20 reps), 3 days a week for cardio. Thought it would be a good way to knock off some blubber off my belly (I'm really skinny, but got a slight, very slight belly). Is that too much? I'm hittin the weights 3 days a week, hopefully that's enough.

As far as food goes, is it ok to throw in some bread/pasta (aka plain carbs/starch) with my protein (fish, steak, eggs, chicken) for muscle building?
Not only is it good, you're supposed to. And A LOT of it. You need to be bulking. You really should reread the OP. There's also a picture someone posted that should really help too. I'll look for it real quick. And someone talked about the sleep thing earlier, and by the sounds of it, no one thinks it matters when you sleep

Edit: Step #3 is what you should look at mainly. If you want to get bigger, you WILL gain a bit of fat. There really isn't a way to get bigger while still having abs. People usually bulk (gain weight, eat at a surplus) over the winter, and then cut (lose the weight gained from the bulk, maintain the muscle) in the summer/spring. And the pic is just a guide. If it contradicts anything said in the OP, assume the OP is right.

 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
You have to commit, and be a little crazy. You must ignore scale weight, and eat, sleep and squat. And squat. And squat.

http://wkak.net/SmolovFAQ.htm

There's a excel spreadsheet in there I used last time.

I'll do it with anyone. I'll need a week or so to get ready, and will start with the Intro cycle (2 weeks long I think)
Take a 3 week break from squat work

3 week break? That seems unnecessarily long...
 
I recently started doing squats and presses. Those seem to be progressing well and seem a lot more natural to me. I really want to get the deadlift down, but its giving me the most difficulty. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Currently I'm at 139.

85 pounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55WV80Gc8WY&feature=player_embedded

135 pounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5y6--_HNhY&feature=player_embedded
I'm not close to an expert, but if there's anything I'd suggest, it would be to not bend your knees until after its below your kneecaps when putting the bar back down. Your back should be bending on the first half of the drop, and then bend your knees to finish the drop. That way the bar won't be hitting the top of your knees all of the time like it was in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nRRlk6264I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

At the 4 minute mark, he's explaining how to lower the bar. You were essentially doing what the instructor says to avoid doing.
 

snoopen

Member
I recently started doing squats and presses. Those seem to be progressing well and seem a lot more natural to me. I really want to get the deadlift down, but its giving me the most difficulty. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Currently I'm at 139.

85 pounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55WV80Gc8WY&feature=player_embedded

135 pounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5y6--_HNhY&feature=player_embedded
you're so close to smashing your knees on the way down every lift.. get them out of the way.
try for more explosive lift upwards, stick your chest out more.
 
Leg day today. Started my first set doing Leg press then supersetted straight to the leg extension. Pushed myself so hard and my legs were so spent from just that first set, I spent the next 10 minutes feeling very sick and wanting to throw up. That's leg day for you!
 

snoopen

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Leg day today. Started my first set doing Leg press then supersetted straight to the leg extension. Pushed myself so hard and my legs were so spent from just that first set, I spent the next 10 minutes feeling very sick and wanting to throw up. That's leg day for you!
leg press? uh..
where are the squats?
 
leg press? uh..
where are the squats?

I did 2 different types of squats after.

One where you have the barbell held straight above your head, which takes control and good form for the whole body, which I think is really good for the muscles. Another on a smith machine where my legs were tucked in close and put forward, to do the outer part of the quads.

I was going to do another squat on the smith where you have your legs wide and feet outwards to do the inner part of your leg, but we skipped it and did lunges instead.
 

Carbonox

Member
I did 2 different types of squats after.

One where you have the barbell held straight above your head, which takes control and good form for the whole body, which I think is really good for the muscles. Another on a smith machine where my legs were tucked in close and put forward, to do the outer part of the quads.

I was going to do another squat on the smith where you have your legs wide and feet outwards to do the inner part of your leg, but we skipped it and did lunges instead.

what did i just read
 

Trey

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I did 2 different types of squats after.

One where you have the barbell held straight above your head, which takes control and good form for the whole body, which I think is really good for the muscles. Another on a smith machine where my legs were tucked in close and put forward, to do the outer part of the quads.

I was going to do another squat on the smith where you have your legs wide and feet outwards to do the inner part of your leg, but we skipped it and did lunges instead.

Sounds painful.
 
I did 2 different types of squats after.

One where you have the barbell held straight above your head, which takes control and good form for the whole body, which I think is really good for the muscles. Another on a smith machine where my legs were tucked in close and put forward, to do the outer part of the quads.

I was going to do another squat on the smith where you have your legs wide and feet outwards to do the inner part of your leg, but we skipped it and did lunges instead.

Wanna meet the bro who told you this was a good workout. :lol
 

SeanR1221

Member
About to throw my scale out.

I'm trying to cut (started at 5'8 183 pounds) since the end of may. I've been eating around 1700 calories a day, plenty of protein very low carb (always under 50g) and still lifting heavy.

Last Friday I was 179. Today, 183. I understand weight fluctuates, but should I even bother with the scale? Anyone who cuts just have their weight sort of hover?
 

sangreal

Member
I have no idea, nor does it matter. He has the body of a god, thats what matters.

I get where you're coming from - you care about aesthetics and not strength. Nothing wrong with that, and plenty of people in the thread are in the same boat. That said, you're literally preaching broscience -- taking scientifically dubious advice from someone just because they look like they know what they're talking about. Even Arnold, who I consider the greatest BB of all time gives some of the worst advice in his books.
 
Been doing Leangains for a few weeks now. Drinking coffee in the morning definitely helps with appetite suppression but I may have been breaking my fast without really realizing it. Martin recommends staying below 50 cals during the fasting period so I've been careful with using limited cream/milk (black coffee is horrible) and splenda as a sweetener. It turns out that each packet of splenda is just about 4 calories due to additives (but is classified as calorie free because it doesn't hit the 5 calorie mark) and granulated splenda is 2 calories per tea spoon.

I like to drink about 2 cups so I had to find a way to keep calories low so I picked up some EZ-Sweetz which is straight Splenda without any additives (but in liquid form). Also, I started using almond milk which is only 40 calories per cup but really drowns out the coffee taste. I use slightly over 1/4 cup of almond milk per cup of coffee and it does a great job.

While I haven't lost a significant amount of weight I can see definitely see the difference in body composition. Slowly losing some of that stubborn belly fat. Also Eat Stop Eat is good reading.
 
When she's deadlifting it shows the amount the plates weigh. Seems they are 5 kilo/11 pound plates. Not sure if those are the same she uses for the squat, but those squat plates are at most 10 kilo/22 pound, i would say.
 
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