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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Petrie

Banned
My whey powder arrived from BB.com today thanks to that poster that linked the special deal. I got the strawberry and cookies and cream. I tried the cookies today and it was pretty damn good. I look forward to trying Strawberry tomorrow.

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Glad the deal didn't backfire with shitty protein!

No Roids came with it though? I am disappoint.
 
Went to buy some protein shake today, I was told that I looked like I needed a mass gainer/ weight gainer. (Ouch :c )

But I got the protein shake of my choice anyway.

Then I received a lecture on how I should take the protein shake with water, rather than milk.

But I'm going to take it with milk anyway.

Am I wrong here?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Went to buy some protein shake today, I was told that I looked like I needed a mass gainer/ weight gainer. (Ouch :c )

But I got the protein shake of my choice anyway.

Then I received a lecture on how I should take the protein shake with water, rather than milk.

But I'm going to take it with milk anyway.

Am I wrong here?

Nope.
 
I know and I appreciate it. Likewise I read over the article Mr. City provided. I'll continue to keep close watch on my intake and nutrition. I'll even start now with eating this other half of my sandwich.

Why not just go the Eat Stop Eat route and be done with it. Take enough calories for maintenance 5 days a week and do a 24 hour fast twice a week. It's far better than the drastic measures you're taking and a lot safer.
 

Ydahs

Member
Shin splints :(

Anyone had them before? How long do they linger around for? Took two weeks off, shin felt great, though after some light jogging and sprints, the pain came rushing back...
 

SeanR1221

Member
Went to buy some protein shake today, I was told that I looked like I needed a mass gainer/ weight gainer. (Ouch :c )

But I got the protein shake of my choice anyway.

Then I received a lecture on how I should take the protein shake with water, rather than milk.

But I'm going to take it with milk anyway.

Am I wrong here?

If you're trying to cut calories take it with water.

Trying to get a little more calories? Take it with milk.

There's no "fast absorption with water" or anything like that.
 

Petrie

Banned
Went to buy some protein shake today, I was told that I looked like I needed a mass gainer/ weight gainer. (Ouch :c )

But I got the protein shake of my choice anyway.

Then I received a lecture on how I should take the protein shake with water, rather than milk.

But I'm going to take it with milk anyway.

Am I wrong here?

And this is why I won't buy any supplements in the dedicated shops. Online, or a big box retailer only. I can't listen to the bullshit they spew.
 
Shin splints :(

Anyone had them before? How long do they linger around for? Took two weeks off, shin felt great, though after some light jogging and sprints, the pain came rushing back...

That was my exact experience with them when I was training with ROTC. I highly recommend you look very carefully at your shoes, socks, and running form (do some research on all of this) and see if there is anything you can improve in those regards. Might not be a cure, but if all 3 of those things are perfect then it should help.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Went to buy some protein shake today, I was told that I looked like I needed a mass gainer/ weight gainer. (Ouch :c )

But I got the protein shake of my choice anyway.

Then I received a lecture on how I should take the protein shake with water, rather than milk.

But I'm going to take it with milk anyway.

Am I wrong here?

Take it with milk if that's what you prefer and it fits in your daily calories and macros. Some believe the extra sugars in milk will turn into stored fat or that the milk will slow the absorption rate of the protein. I don't claim to know.

I switched to water because I'm on a cut and want to save those milk calories for something else.
 

JB1981

Member
There are a lot of ab exercises, however are you sure you want to tempt fate with your previous back injury? Why not combine both with some back-off sets of the press?

When I say ab work I mean stuff like planks, birddogs etc. I won't be doing sit ups or anything that involves flexion.
 

Ydahs

Member
That was my exact experience with them when I was training with ROTC. I highly recommend you look very carefully at your shoes, socks, and running form (do some research on all of this) and see if there is anything you can improve in those regards. Might not be a cure, but if all 3 of those things are perfect then it should help.

I was reading a bit about running form last night and I realised there are several things I'm doing wrong, with the main issue being how I land. I land on the outer part of my left foot which causes me to lean left when I run, putting pressure on my left side. My football club's physio also mentioned I run with my feet facing outwards and said that might have contributed to my lower left back pain (which is now fine).

I think this all started with my new pair of football boots. The left boot seems to be shaped badly, forcing myself to put a lot of weight on the outer part of my foot. I'm not sure if they shaped badly due to my running technique or if they were just a bad pair. Kind of a shame since they're ASICs and cost me nearly $250... gonna need a new pair I guess...
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
I'm in.

Before
6'-0", 180 lbs. Have always been lean, but aging (32) + kids (2) + working a computer both at work and at home has done damage. Everything sits on my gut.

Goal
160 lbs. Extremely lean, single-digit BF%. Somewhere between Tyler Durden and Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love.

Diet
Breakfast: Egg Whites + Plain Oatmeal
Morning Snack: Tuna + Half Flatbread
Lunch: Chicken + Brown Rice + Veggies
Pre Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Post Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Dinner: Fish (salmon/cod/etc) + Brown Rice + Big Salad
Bedtime Snack : Cottage Cheese.

This is my diet during the week. I cheat on Saturdays and I fast on Sundays. Drinks include coffee, tea, and lots of water.

Workout
Isolated Workouts, dumbbells and no-weight only. Doing one of these daily: Chest, Shoulders, Back, Lats, Biceps/Triceps, Squats, and a nightly 40 minute walky/joggy thing. Saturday doing cardio, Sunday resting.

Help?
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?

2. My workout is built entirely around having very little time, no bench, and no free weights other than some 25 lb dumbbells. Suggestions welcome -- one thing I'm worried about is whether I could do a more total-body workout rather than isolating (which I've seen recommended a lot).

3. Will caffeine (plain coffee, iced tea) hurt my progress? I can't imagine why it would, but I think I heard some nonsense about it leeching nutrients from your body.

4. Thanks guys! I don't want to do before pictures, but I hope to do some after ones.
 
Shin splints :(

Anyone had them before? How long do they linger around for? Took two weeks off, shin felt great, though after some light jogging and sprints, the pain came rushing back...

Could be due to a few things. If you have flat arches I would suggest some arch supports such as "Superfeet". There could be other biomechanical issues but that's likely the easiest fix for the moment. Also, stay away from running on hard surfaces/make sure shoes have good shock absorbance.
 
I'm in.

Before
6'-0", 180 lbs. Have always been lean, but aging (32) + kids (2) + working a computer both at work and at home has done damage. Everything sits on my gut.

Goal
160 lbs. Extremely lean, single-digit BF%. Somewhere between Tyler Durden and Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love.

Diet
Breakfast: Egg Whites + Plain Oatmeal
Morning Snack: Tuna + Half Flatbread
Lunch: Chicken + Brown Rice + Veggies
Pre Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Post Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Dinner: Fish (salmon/cod/etc) + Brown Rice + Big Salad
Bedtime Snack : Cottage Cheese.

This is my diet during the week. I cheat on Saturdays and I fast on Sundays. Drinks include coffee, tea, and lots of water.

Workout
Isolated Workouts, dumbbells and no-weight only. Doing one of these daily: Chest, Shoulders, Back, Lats, Biceps/Triceps, Squats, and a nightly 40 minute walky/joggy thing. Saturday doing cardio, Sunday resting.

Help?
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?

2. My workout is built entirely around having very little time, no bench, and no free weights other than some 25 lb dumbbells. Suggestions welcome -- one thing I'm worried about is whether I could do a more total-body workout rather than isolating (which I've seen recommended a lot).

3. Will caffeine (plain coffee, iced tea) hurt my progress? I can't imagine why it would, but I think I heard some nonsense about it leeching nutrients from your body.

4. Thanks guys! I don't want to do before pictures, but I hope to do some after ones.

Ha. Not too bad. 191 LBs here, 2 kids, 35 next month. I think 180 LBs for me would work since I'm aiming to add more muscle mass (but haven't really concerned myself with weight too much, just BF%).

I go the Leangains route, work out hard 3 times/week (home gym) with a little cardio here and there. I ditched the 6+ meals/day route and get most of my calories in 2-3 meals. Never been better.
 

BlueSteel

Member
I'm in.

Before
6'-0", 180 lbs. Have always been lean, but aging (32) + kids (2) + working a computer both at work and at home has done damage. Everything sits on my gut.

Goal
160 lbs. Extremely lean, single-digit BF%. Somewhere between Tyler Durden and Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love.

Diet
Breakfast: Egg Whites + Plain Oatmeal
Morning Snack: Tuna + Half Flatbread
Lunch: Chicken + Brown Rice + Veggies
Pre Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Post Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Dinner: Fish (salmon/cod/etc) + Brown Rice + Big Salad
Bedtime Snack : Cottage Cheese.

This is my diet during the week. I cheat on Saturdays and I fast on Sundays. Drinks include coffee, tea, and lots of water.

Workout
Isolated Workouts, dumbbells and no-weight only. Doing one of these daily: Chest, Shoulders, Back, Lats, Biceps/Triceps, Squats, and a nightly 40 minute walky/joggy thing. Saturday doing cardio, Sunday resting.

Help?
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?

2. My workout is built entirely around having very little time, no bench, and no free weights other than some 25 lb dumbbells. Suggestions welcome -- one thing I'm worried about is whether I could do a more total-body workout rather than isolating (which I've seen recommended a lot).

3. Will caffeine (plain coffee, iced tea) hurt my progress? I can't imagine why it would, but I think I heard some nonsense about it leeching nutrients from your body.

4. Thanks guys! I don't want to do before pictures, but I hope to do some after ones.

I like to add a scoop of protein powder to the oatmeal (with some water or milk to make it mix well), add some frozen berries and some honey. Makes it tolerable for me haha.
 

Pete Rock

Member
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?
Yeah outside of fruit not too many options, although I prefer Bob's Red Mill Steel Cut Oats if it's going to be consumed plain. A lot more flavorful, plus much more texture, feels a lot less like a chore to consume.

2. My workout is built entirely around having very little time, no bench, and no free weights other than some 25 lb dumbbells. Suggestions welcome -- one thing I'm worried about is whether I could do a more total-body workout rather than isolating (which I've seen recommended a lot).
In my opinion if you're doing 40 minutes of cardio so frequently I would personally make access to barbells a priority, particularly if you have very little time to begin with and as you've stated have been focusing more on isolation routines with dumbbells.

I've been doing SS for a few months now and I usually do not spend more than an hour in the weight room, including extra ab/back extension sets as a safeguard due to prior low back injuries. I cycle on my off days but nothing extreme, 30 miles in around two hours.

3. Will caffeine (plain coffee, iced tea) hurt my progress? I can't imagine why it would, but I think I heard some nonsense about it leeching nutrients from your body.
I would be more concerned with the sugar or any other additives if the drinks are purchased and not made at home, have not heard anything negative about caffeine in particular.

Shin splints :(
maximum360 recommends more support, I would go the opposite route and suggest something like Vibrams. I never ran much in my adolescence due to incredibly painful and consistent shin splints but once I switched over the style of support worked with my natural gait and eliminated the painful splints entirely. Also use the kicks for all my weight room training & cycling, although that's just on a Trek mountain bike, I don't have a fancy road bike with clips. I would explore different options in regards to not only the way you run but how your shoes effect that.
 
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?

Throw some fresh strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, or peaches in there, since it doesn't look like you're not getting a lot of fruit in your diet otherwise. Could also try mixing those in with your cottage cheese. Raisins and bananas are high in sugar, but having them occasionally won't hurt you. Mix it up.
 

bro1

Banned
After reading this thread and the original thread, I am shocked at how people over complicate exercise and weight gain/loss. want to be stronger? lift more weight. want to lose weight? eat less.
 

bro1

Banned
Throw some fresh strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, or peaches in there, since it doesn't look like you're not getting a lot of fruit in your diet otherwise. Could also try mixing those in with your cottage cheese. Raisins and bananas are high in sugar, but having them occasionally won't hurt you. Mix it up.

milk and splenda work well!
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Help?
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=38154249

Thank me later. Try out some of the savory oatmeal dishes. It completely opens a new avenue to you.

I've been doing like fried egg (with non-stick spray), chicken, salsa...it's amazing. I'm looking to try an Asian inspired version soon.
 

despire

Member
I'd like some help/comments on my routine. Currently taking it slow and steady with LG recomp. Lifts have been coming along nicely these few weeks after the PSMF. Since I'm doing LG again I switched my routine around just a bit so it works with the diet. Progress with SS was becoming hard anyway. Same movements that I would be doing with SS but reverse pyramid style like Martin Berkhan advocates. It consists of warmup sets and three work sets with following rep ranges: 4-6, 6-8, 8-10. Exceptions are the power clean which I'll do 5x3 like Rip says. Also the chins/dips are to failure at least for now..

Monday
Squats
Press
Chins


Wednesday
Power Clean
Deadlift
Dips (?)


Friday
Squats
Bench Press
Chins (?)


As you can see there's some splitting here. I was doing full body workouts last week but found out that I can no longer squat and deadlift in the same workout. I still squat two times a week but I'm not sure how long I can keep that up. I kept pressing movements on the same days as squats so that wednesday would be dedicated to deadlift and clean.

I'm mainly interested to hear some thoughts about the accessory movements. I'm going to keep it simple and continue to concentrate on the four main movements. The chins for monday are clear but I'm wondering what to do on the other two days. Of course I could just do chins again on friday but I'm not sure if there's something else I should be doing. Dips ok for the wednesday?
 

grumble

Member
I'm in.

Before
6'-0", 180 lbs. Have always been lean, but aging (32) + kids (2) + working a computer both at work and at home has done damage. Everything sits on my gut.

Goal
160 lbs. Extremely lean, single-digit BF%. Somewhere between Tyler Durden and Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love.

Diet
Breakfast: Egg Whites + Plain Oatmeal
Morning Snack: Tuna + Half Flatbread
Lunch: Chicken + Brown Rice + Veggies
Pre Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Post Workout Snack: Whey Shake + Banana
Dinner: Fish (salmon/cod/etc) + Brown Rice + Big Salad
Bedtime Snack : Cottage Cheese.

This is my diet during the week. I cheat on Saturdays and I fast on Sundays. Drinks include coffee, tea, and lots of water.

Workout
Isolated Workouts, dumbbells and no-weight only. Doing one of these daily: Chest, Shoulders, Back, Lats, Biceps/Triceps, Squats, and a nightly 40 minute walky/joggy thing. Saturday doing cardio, Sunday resting.

Help?
1. Plain oatmeal freaking sucks. Judging from the rest of the diet, anything I can add to it to make it taste better? I saw raisins might be good, but aren't they really carby?

2. My workout is built entirely around having very little time, no bench, and no free weights other than some 25 lb dumbbells. Suggestions welcome -- one thing I'm worried about is whether I could do a more total-body workout rather than isolating (which I've seen recommended a lot).

3. Will caffeine (plain coffee, iced tea) hurt my progress? I can't imagine why it would, but I think I heard some nonsense about it leeching nutrients from your body.

4. Thanks guys! I don't want to do before pictures, but I hope to do some after ones.

Good luck with your mission! I have a couple of comments if that's okay.

1. You're really pushing the gym time. Will this be sustainable for the rest of your life? You may want to find alternatives, since I'm sure time is limited with two kids. 3-4x a week would do it.

2. You're probably going to need access to better equipment. While there are ways of getting some muscle without a lot of resistance as in you use your body, it's a lot harder.

3. The food you're eating seems very bland. Again, can you keep this diet up forever to some degree? If not, experiment with spices. Use cinnamon to make the oatmeal a little better. You don't need to eat like this to lose the fat.

4. If you end up at 160lbs at 6 ft, you'll probably look very skinny even with low body fat. A better goal might be 170 with 9-10 percent body fat and a little more muscle.

5. Be wary and understand that carrying around body fat in the single digits is tough. You may crave food constantly, hormonal changes can happen too (would not be surprised if brad pitt had issues with erections at his lowest body fat in fight club) and there's often a feeling of tiredness and coldness. I wouldn't go below 9 as it gets hard to sustain and at 9 you'll look ripped.

6. Caffeine won't hurt. Be sure to get some sleep though if you can.
 
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4. If you end up at 160lbs at 6 ft, you'll probably look very skinny even with low body fat. A better goal might be 170 with 9-10 percent body fat and a little more muscle.

Yeah, I just wanted to second this part. Your goals are your goals, so go for that if that is what you want. But I'm 5'8" with low teens body fat and I'm at 160 lbs and I look pretty darn lean still. Add four extra inches onto the same weight and you are going to look kinda like a stick. You might just have a really lean frame, but aiming for a higher weight might actually get you the visual results that you seem to be looking for.

For myself I'm getting rested up for my first 50K trail run this Saturday. Basically a marathon + 5 miles and 5000 feet of elevation change. Should be pretty fun. How I do in this will help make my go / no go choice for some longer distances at the end of this summer.
 

JB1981

Member
I'd like some help/comments on my routine. Currently taking it slow and steady with LG recomp. Lifts have been coming along nicely these few weeks after the PSMF. Since I'm doing LG again I switched my routine around just a bit so it works with the diet. Progress with SS was becoming hard anyway. Same movements that I would be doing with SS but reverse pyramid style like Martin Berkhan advocates. It consists of warmup sets and three work sets with following rep ranges: 4-6, 6-8, 8-10. Exceptions are the power clean which I'll do 5x3 like Rip says. Also the chins/dips are to failure at least for now..

Monday
Squats
Press
Chins


Wednesday
Power Clean
Deadlift
Dips (?)


Friday
Squats
Bench Press
Chins (?)


As you can see there's some splitting here. I was doing full body workouts last week but found out that I can no longer squat and deadlift in the same workout. I still squat two times a week but I'm not sure how long I can keep that up. I kept pressing movements on the same days as squats so that wednesday would be dedicated to deadlift and clean.

I'm mainly interested to hear some thoughts about the accessory movements. I'm going to keep it simple and continue to concentrate on the four main movements. The chins for monday are clear but I'm wondering what to do on the other two days. Of course I could just do chins again on friday but I'm not sure if there's something else I should be doing. Dips ok for the wednesday?

Monday
Squats
Press (alternate bench/press 2x weekly)
Chins


Wednesday
Deadlift
Bench
Dips


Friday
Squats
Press
Clean

I do not recommend deadlifts and cleans on the same day. That will be brutal on your low back.
 

SeanR1221

Member
About to throw my scale out.

I'm trying to cut (started at 5'8 183 pounds) since the end of may. I've been eating around 1700 calories a day, plenty of protein very low carb (always under 50g) and still lifting heavy.

Last Friday I was 179. Today, 183. I understand weight fluctuates, but should I even bother with the scale? Anyone who cuts just have their weight sort of hover?

Anyone?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun

Yes, the actual weight on my scale goes all over the place, now it bounces around 236 and 238 but I'm steadily decreasing body fat. I can tell in my appearance, clothes fit and how easy I can get the 5th notch in my lifting belt (I started on the 3rd notch).

Pay more attention to your body than the scale. As long as it doesn't do a drastic jump "up" you're fine.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
About to throw my scale out.

I'm trying to cut (started at 5'8 183 pounds) since the end of may. I've been eating around 1700 calories a day, plenty of protein very low carb (always under 50g) and still lifting heavy.

Last Friday I was 179. Today, 183. I understand weight fluctuates, but should I even bother with the scale? Anyone who cuts just have their weight sort of hover?

I'd judge more by how you look rather than total weight lost. Also, I'd only weigh yourself once week (I do Monday mornings as soon as I wake up). The scale might also be shit.

Or you're taking in more calories than you realize. Do you use a calorie counting website/app?
 

despire

Member
Monday
Squats
Press (alternate bench/press 2x weekly)
Chins


Wednesday
Deadlift
Bench
Dips


Friday
Squats
Press
Clean

I do not recommend deadlifts and cleans on the same day. That will be brutal on your low back.

I could do cleans on friday even though it just means that my workout would last a lot longer. One reason I like this new routine is that I can get out of the gym 2/3 faster.

I'm not sure about the dips and benching on the same day since yesterday I tried dips after pressing and it didn't work out. My muscles were too tired to get any decent number of reps..
 

Dash27

Member

Take measurements and pictures. 1700 sounds low, I never personally venture under 2k.

Add HIIT type elements to your schedule. Lifting heavy will keep muscle, sprints will get you leaner in my experience. Do hill sprints or push a prowler and I dare you not to get leaner. This is assuming your nutrition is in order. A lot of people say "I eat clean, I eat around x calories, I eat plenty of protein" etc but if you're not reaching your goals nutrition is likely the problem.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Yes, the actual weight on my scale goes all over the place, now it bounces around 236 and 238 but I'm steadily decreasing body fat. I can tell in my appearance, clothes fit and how easy I can get the 5th notch in my lifting belt (I started on the 3rd notch).

Pay more attention to your body than the scale. As long as it doesn't do a drastic jump "up" you're fine.

I would get measuring tape and body fat calipers and track your progress that way. If you see the numbers go down, then you are good to go. As Alien said, go by how you look, how clothes fit, etc.

Thanks guys. I found an app body shot that I'll have to use once a week to keep track of y physical appearance.

I'd judge more by how you look rather than total weight lost. Also, I'd only weigh yourself once week (I do Monday mornings as soon as I wake up). The scale might also be shit.

Or you're taking in more calories than you realize. Do you use a calorie counting website/app?

I use myfitnesspal to keep track and measure/weigh all my food.

Take measurements and pictures. 1700 sounds low, I never personally venture under 2k.

Add HIIT type elements to your schedule. Lifting heavy will keep muscle, sprints will get you leaner in my experience. Do hill sprints or push a prowler and I dare you not to get leaner. This is assuming your nutrition is in order. A lot of people say "I eat clean, I eat around x calories, I eat plenty of protein" etc but if you're not reaching your goals nutrition is likely the problem.

I usually have 50-70g of fat, 160-180g of protein and 20-50g of carbs.

Since Im low carb it was recommended I do longer low intensity cardio over HIIT.

I can post some stuff I eat too.
 
Thanks to Mr. City's guidance, I have started a PSMF and while I feel great, I switched my workouts to a traditional full body workout, 2-3 sets @ 6-8 reps. I went heavy and hard on the squats, nothing impressive (3 sets of 8 @ 265) and my ass hurts. A lot haha. Felt real good though. Rest of the body is beat up as well. Seriously can't wait till this month is done as I'm going to take 2 weeks off from the gym (with one of those weeks on vacation with the gf in Vegas).

Stay strong peeps!
 

agrajag

Banned
I like to add a scoop of protein powder to the oatmeal (with some water or milk to make it mix well), add some frozen berries and some honey. Makes it tolerable for me haha.

I've tried that once, but because the oatmeal was hot, it cooked the protein powder. It was one of the most disgusting things ever.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Thanks for all the fantastic feedback guys. I was worried the diet and workout would be ripped to shreds.

Good luck with your mission! I have a couple of comments if that's okay.

1. You're really pushing the gym time. Will this be sustainable for the rest of your life? You may want to find alternatives, since I'm sure time is limited with two kids. 3-4x a week would do it.

2. You're probably going to need access to better equipment. While there are ways of getting some muscle without a lot of resistance as in you use your body, it's a lot harder.

3. The food you're eating seems very bland. Again, can you keep this diet up forever to some degree? If not, experiment with spices. Use cinnamon to make the oatmeal a little better. You don't need to eat like this to lose the fat.

4. If you end up at 160lbs at 6 ft, you'll probably look very skinny even with low body fat. A better goal might be 170 with 9-10 percent body fat and a little more muscle.

5. Be wary and understand that carrying around body fat in the single digits is tough. You may crave food constantly, hormonal changes can happen too (would not be surprised if brad pitt had issues with erections at his lowest body fat in fight club) and there's often a feeling of tiredness and coldness. I wouldn't go below 9 as it gets hard to sustain and at 9 you'll look ripped.

6. Caffeine won't hurt. Be sure to get some sleep though if you can.

1. Gym Time: Good call. I'm actually spending less than 30 minutes of isolated routines per day. Works up a good sweat and I can really feel it the next day. Someone mentioned earlier that I'm doing a lot of cardio, but it's really some pretty light-but-brisk walking during the week, with a couple of more intense stuff at the end of the week.

2. Better equipment: oh, definitely agreed. I'm saving up for a bench so I can at least do some better deadlifts, squats, and presses. Until then, I'm looking for a good pullup bar.

3. Bland food: I left out that I was seasoning everything, which is why I asked about the Oatmeal and not the Tuna, Chicken, or Fish. I use Otts Buffalo Wing sauce which has just a few calories (25?) a gram of fat, and a couple carbs per TBSP. That and a little mustard with some onions makes those Tuna Wraps freaking sublime. Then I have some really great salmon seasoning to give the fish a lot of really great, succulent flavor. The worst part is the oatmeal and the cottage cheese -- but now I have some ideas.

3A. Bland food II: The question of whether or not I can sustain this is a good one, but I'm being sensible. Cheat days, occasional dates with the wife, and a beer or several on the weekends will keep me sane. I had gotten into such bad habits (not eating in the morning, hot pocket for lunch, giant pops all day, and gorging for dinner) that it's really good for me to get back into a good way. I suspect I'll move into more of a sustaining diet with a lot more flexibility when I hit my target.

4/5. Height/Weight/Goals: Well, I fibbed a little. I'm really just a hair over 5'-11". I like your thoughts about getting that skinny, though, and they're noted. FWIW, my natural weight is 165 and I looked great. I just wanted to build up a bit more lean muscle and look really cut. The BF isn't that much of a concern, I just want to look really, really fuckable, and less dad-like.

6. Caffeine/Sleep: yep, that's my problem. Getting about 5-6 hrs per night though. Not too bad.


Again, thanks for all the feedback guys. I'll try this for a few more weeks, will add some cinnamon and maybe some raisins to my oatmeal, will take it easy on the cardio, and will look for at least a bench and a pull-up bar. I don't really want to look like Tyler Durden, but I do think there's something ideal about just being extremely lean and strong.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I did 2 different types of squats after.

One where you have the barbell held straight above your head, which takes control and good form for the whole body, which I think is really good for the muscles. Another on a smith machine where my legs were tucked in close and put forward, to do the outer part of the quads.

I was going to do another squat on the smith where you have your legs wide and feet outwards to do the inner part of your leg, but we skipped it and did lunges instead.

So you did overhead squats and then felt the need to do close-in smith machine squats?
 
Just wanna say thanks for the feedback regarding my back pain. I won't try lifting again until I feel zero pain in my back. If that fails, there's always the physical therapy place right next door to the gym covered by my insurance.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Hoping that the BCAAs arrives before my lunch workout today. It says it's out for delivery.
 

Mr.City

Member
Again, thanks for all the feedback guys. I'll try this for a few more weeks, will add some cinnamon and maybe some raisins to my oatmeal, will take it easy on the cardio, and will look for at least a bench and a pull-up bar. I don't really want to look like Tyler Durden, but I do think there's something ideal about just being extremely lean and strong.

While it sounds like you have things in order, I have to ask: what exactly is your definition of strong? The fuckable model guys aren't that strong, they just have very low body fat and a some muscle.

Thanks to Mr. City's guidance, I have started a PSMF and while I feel great, I switched my workouts to a traditional full body workout, 2-3 sets @ 6-8 reps. I went heavy and hard on the squats, nothing impressive (3 sets of 8 @ 265) and my ass hurts. A lot haha. Felt real good though. Rest of the body is beat up as well. Seriously can't wait till this month is done as I'm going to take 2 weeks off from the gym (with one of those weeks on vacation with the gf in Vegas).

Stay strong peeps!

Good luck. Don't be afraid to back on the volume on this diet. Whenever I'm on PSMF, I would try to creep on a few PRs. I managed to get a few, however what usually happens that the next workout is absolute rubbish. I got 325x5 on the squat last week, but yesterday I didn't get one rep on 330. I felt drunk/high after the set, which is usually a sign to end the workout.
 

bro1

Banned
anybody else have a Nike+ Fuelband? I just got mine today and so far so good. Had trouble updating the firmware but now all is good.
 

despire

Member
Btw, squatted yesterday and for the first time I could really feel the blood pressure in my head. I mean my face always turns red when I squat heavy but yesterday I could really feel some pressure in my head while doing my reps. Like my veins were really just about to pop in my face.

Is it normal? I was wearing a belt though and didn't feel really different afterwards. Still it felt a bit weird to feel that kind of pressure..
 

balddemon

Banned
Btw, squatted yesterday and for the first time I could really feel the blood pressure in my head. I mean my face always turns red when I squat heavy but yesterday I could really feel some pressure in my head while doing my reps. Like my veins were really just about to pop in my face.

Is it normal? I was wearing a belt though and didn't feel really different afterwards. Still it felt a bit weird to feel that kind of pressure..

lol do you breathe during your reps?
 

bro1

Banned
Nope. I've never gotten my Nike+ to work on my iphone, and I have no idea how to make it work.

you have to make sure it's synced first with the software. After that, do the bluetooth sync. Hold down the button until you get the bluetooth icon. let go and then press the button again. go into iphone settings and bluetooth sync. go back to the app, hold down the button on the band until it says sync. let go and hit the button again. it should work.
 
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